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Thanx Bro, I think I read you clear .. So then if you don't believe in an eternal conscious hell for those who reject Jesus why are you obsessed with posting your ''Jesus is not is God'' message ? What's so urgent to you that you oppose so energetically and vigorously those who understand and have the revelation that Jesus is God the Son .. If you don't believe there's a hell what's your problem one way or the other and why do you care ? Why would unbelievers that you influence and teach care ? Why fear God at all ? You don't have to understand Jesus is God come in the flesh , just don't preach or teach against it ..
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GOD himself took upon him the form.
There are some misunderatanding.
The 4 gospels introduce christ this way:
1. Matthew - trace his origin with Abraham
2. Mark - trace him with the prophecy of Isaiah.
3. Luke - trace his origin with Adam
4. John - trace his origin at the very Beginning...
This is how you will understand Him before there came a man named Jesus.
There is a difference between:
The word of God vs. THE WORD was God.
There are some misunderatanding.
The 4 gospels introduce christ this way:
1. Matthew - trace his origin with Abraham
2. Mark - trace him with the prophecy of Isaiah.
3. Luke - trace his origin with Adam
4. John - trace his origin at the very Beginning...
This is how you will understand Him before there came a man named Jesus.
There is a difference between:
The word of God vs. THE WORD was God.
Who has performed and done it, Calling the generations from the beginning?
‘I, the LORD, am the first; And with the last I am He.’
(Isaiah 41:4)
‘I, the LORD, am the first; And with the last I am He.’
(Isaiah 41:4)
Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.'
(Isaiah 44:6)
‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.'
(Isaiah 44:6)
Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last.
(Isaiah 48:12)
I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last.
(Isaiah 48:12)
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord,
“who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
(Revelation 1:8)
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead.
But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,
“Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last."
“who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
(Revelation 1:8)
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead.
But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,
“Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last."
(Revelation 1:17)
And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write,
‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life'
(Revelation 2:8)
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.
(Revelation 22:13)
‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life'
(Revelation 2:8)
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.
(Revelation 22:13)
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In the Greek, (ego eimi) it literally means the eternal one
in the OT at the burning bush, the God of Israel used the same term in Hebrew when he told moses who he was when moses asked him his name,
thats why when Jesus said before abraham existed, I always was (ego eimi), and why the jews picked up stones to stone him, he literally declaired himself to be God, which to them was blasphemy worthy of stoning.
in the OT at the burning bush, the God of Israel used the same term in Hebrew when he told moses who he was when moses asked him his name,
thats why when Jesus said before abraham existed, I always was (ego eimi), and why the jews picked up stones to stone him, he literally declaired himself to be God, which to them was blasphemy worthy of stoning.
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You assume against hundreds of fool-proof texts stating very clearly to the contrary.
Therefore, one needs to understand the meaning in the biblical context or prove that hundreds of those fool-proof texts stating very clearly to the contrary were lies or were abolished.
Since God can not lie nor contradict Himself it is certain that Jesus didn't say he was the one who had no beginning.
Therefore, one needs to understand the meaning in the biblical context or prove that hundreds of those fool-proof texts stating very clearly to the contrary were lies or were abolished.
Since God can not lie nor contradict Himself it is certain that Jesus didn't say he was the one who had no beginning.
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What’s clear is you do not understand what the Bible says,
before abraham was, I am (English translation).
with the statement as written (even in the flawed interpretation) we have this. There is no other way to translate it.
abraham is dead, I existed before he was, and I still am and
before abraham was, I am (English translation).
with the statement as written (even in the flawed interpretation) we have this. There is no other way to translate it.
abraham is dead, I existed before he was, and I still am and
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explain how those passages refute the many passages you give which say ther wise.
I am not going to twist the words of jesus just so I can believe your way.
As I showed. The pharisees picked up stnes to stone him, because they claimed he blasphemed, how? They claimed he called himself GOD (he used the same words the lord used in the burning bush) its why they almost fell over, and why they did the same when they arrested him.. They understood what the words mean. I pray you find the meaning soon also
I am not going to twist the words of jesus just so I can believe your way.
As I showed. The pharisees picked up stnes to stone him, because they claimed he blasphemed, how? They claimed he called himself GOD (he used the same words the lord used in the burning bush) its why they almost fell over, and why they did the same when they arrested him.. They understood what the words mean. I pray you find the meaning soon also
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You have to take every passage in context.
Lets get the one down before we go to another
or is that something you frown on?
Jesus has a father, (john 10) There is so a HOLY spirit. Does the fact jesus had a father prove he was not the God of Isreal who become a little lower than the angels?
I already showed a passage in the OT, where the God of Isreal tells the people to come close and listen to HIM, He has not spoken from secret from the begining, He was sent by the father and his Holy Spirit
Jesus said before abraham was. I am. He said this to quite down those wh9 were trying to focus on abraha, who they held to great esteem, His answer. Oh you like abraham, Well guess hat, Before abraham even existed, I always was. If you think abraham is great, I m even greater
Just take jesus t his word and stop trying to make him say something he never said.
Lets get the one down before we go to another
or is that something you frown on?
Jesus has a father, (john 10) There is so a HOLY spirit. Does the fact jesus had a father prove he was not the God of Isreal who become a little lower than the angels?
I already showed a passage in the OT, where the God of Isreal tells the people to come close and listen to HIM, He has not spoken from secret from the begining, He was sent by the father and his Holy Spirit
Jesus said before abraham was. I am. He said this to quite down those wh9 were trying to focus on abraha, who they held to great esteem, His answer. Oh you like abraham, Well guess hat, Before abraham even existed, I always was. If you think abraham is great, I m even greater
Just take jesus t his word and stop trying to make him say something he never said.
Already done. You just refuse to accept what He means... in the biblical context.
In the immediate context, it is abundantly clear that Jesus is claiming to be God. In the context of the whole Bible, it is clear that Jesus is self-identifying as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
In order to dodge this simple fact, you must invent meanings for His statement that directly contradict both those contextual proofs.
In the immediate context, it is abundantly clear that Jesus is claiming to be God. In the context of the whole Bible, it is clear that Jesus is self-identifying as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
In order to dodge this simple fact, you must invent meanings for His statement that directly contradict both those contextual proofs.
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Let me say it plainly:
Nowhere in the fool-proof text God states anything contrary to the hundreds of direct or indirect statements that the Father is the only true God.
Since the time the pagan-styled man-made doctrine of Trinity God was enforced upon Christianity, the Catholic "Fathers" employed many tricks (insertions, untrue translations like Isa 9:6) to make the doctrine look credible.
I have many credible scholarly analysis of the "I am" but they are too long for this forum.
Anyway, it is not possible that God have "vaguely" mentioned something contradicting His commandments and hundreds of fool-proof texts in the way that the "wise and prudent" should be able to create a doctrine which contradict Him.
It is absurd to think it is possible. It is absurd to reject God's Word for the man-made unbiblical doctrine.
Nowhere in the fool-proof text God states anything contrary to the hundreds of direct or indirect statements that the Father is the only true God.
Since the time the pagan-styled man-made doctrine of Trinity God was enforced upon Christianity, the Catholic "Fathers" employed many tricks (insertions, untrue translations like Isa 9:6) to make the doctrine look credible.
I have many credible scholarly analysis of the "I am" but they are too long for this forum.
Anyway, it is not possible that God have "vaguely" mentioned something contradicting His commandments and hundreds of fool-proof texts in the way that the "wise and prudent" should be able to create a doctrine which contradict Him.
It is absurd to think it is possible. It is absurd to reject God's Word for the man-made unbiblical doctrine.
Nope. The Jews claim but he refutes them.
[/QUOTE]In the context of the whole Bible, it is clear that Jesus is self-identifying as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.[/QUOTE]
Never. He always states directly or indirectly to the contrary.
[/QUOTE]In order to dodge this simple fact, you must invent meanings for His statement that directly contradict both those contextual proofs.[/QUOTE]
Well, we both have to answer for what we say. I point to God's Word. You are trying to prove man-made theology.
[/QUOTE]In the context of the whole Bible, it is clear that Jesus is self-identifying as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.[/QUOTE]
Never. He always states directly or indirectly to the contrary.
[/QUOTE]In order to dodge this simple fact, you must invent meanings for His statement that directly contradict both those contextual proofs.[/QUOTE]
Well, we both have to answer for what we say. I point to God's Word. You are trying to prove man-made theology.
Nope. Not in the text at all, anywhere. That passage ends with Jesus hiding Himself and leaving the temple. Nothing more was said to the Jews.
Assertions without evidence are only opinions.
What foolish blather! I pointed to Scripture. You haven't pointed to Scripture at all, but have only made unsupported (and unsupportable) assertions.
Assertions without evidence are only opinions.
What foolish blather! I pointed to Scripture. You haven't pointed to Scripture at all, but have only made unsupported (and unsupportable) assertions.