Christ is the Sabbath ( Rest )

[Grandpa]

For those who are trying to cause the innocent to sin.

Breaking the law is sin!

Romans 6
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

 

[haz]

Christ forgives sin. So we better repent when we break, God's commandment. And people mess up. But that means people are bad. NOT the law

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And if we break the law, you better repent of your sins. It is that simple. But God never did away, nor did Christ, with the Law of the Ten Commandments, and you better try your best to keep them. Your your soul will have sin on it. Which without Christ, cannot be erased

So repent, in Christ name.

Hi Nathan,

I doubt if anyone here disputes that the law is good, just and holy (Rom 7:12).

However, what I understand from the doctrine you share is that Christians are still being charged with sin (transgression of the law, 1John 3:4, unrighteousness, 1John 5:17).

And then you say we better repent or else you'll die (as you say "your soul will have sin on it", and we see in Eze 18:20 that the soul that sins will die).

Why would you still judge a Christian's righteousness by deeds of the law? Our righteousness is by faith, instead (Rom 4:5).

So why continue to charge Christians with sin/transgression of the law?

Whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19.

But Christians are not under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 4:24, Gal 5:18, 1tim 1:9).

Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Christians have "ceased from sin" (1Pet 4:1), "cannot sin" (1John 3:9), "freed from sin", (Rom 6:7)

Note also Rev 12:9-11 confirming how believers can no longer be accused of sin.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

As Christ has set us free from sin (John 8:36) then why would you still be charging them with sin in spite of scriptures claim to the contrary?

Regarding this doctrine you follow, I'm curious what you claim will happen if a Christian forgot to repent of an offense?

And how often can we repent of the same offense?

Thanks.

 

[john832]

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Hi Nathan,

I doubt if anyone here disputes that the law is good, just and holy (Rom 7:12).

However, what I understand from the doctrine you share is that Christians are still being charged with sin (transgression of the law, 1John 3:4, unrighteousness, 1John 5:17).

And then you say we better repent or else you'll die (as you say "your soul will have sin on it", and we see in Eze 18:20 that the soul that sins will die).

Why would you still judge a Christian's righteousness by deeds of the law? Our righteousness is by faith, instead (Rom 4:5).

So why continue to charge Christians with sin/transgression of the law?

Whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19.

But Christians are not under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 4:24, Gal 5:18, 1tim 1:9).

Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Christians have "ceased from sin" (1Pet 4:1), "cannot sin" (1John 3:9), "freed from sin", (Rom 6:7)

Note also Rev 12:9-11 confirming how believers can no longer be accused of sin.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

As Christ has set us free from sin (John 8:36) then why would you still be charging them with sin in spite of scriptures claim to the contrary?

Regarding this doctrine you follow, I'm curious what you claim will happen if a Christian forgot to repent of an offense?

And how often can we repent of the same offense?

Thanks.

How often? Uh, how many times do you commit the same offense and what was the teaching of Jesus Christ?

Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Not a big fan of Barclay, but he hammers this one well...

Peter was not without warrant for this suggestion. It was Rabbinic teaching that a man must forgive his brother three times. Rabbi Jose ben Hanina said, "He who begs forgiveness from his neighbour must not do so more than three times." Rabbi Jose ben Jehuda said, "If a man commits an offence once, they forgive him; if he commits an offence a second time, they forgive him; if he commits an offence a third time, they forgive him; the fourth time they do not forgive." The Biblical proof that this was correct was taken from Amos. In the opening chapters of Amos there is a series of condemnations on the various nations for three transgressions and for four (Am 1:3, 6, 9; Am 1:11, 13; Am 2:1, 4, 6). From this it was deduced that God's forgiveness extends to three offences and that he visits the sinner with punishment at the fourth. It was not to be thought that a man could be more gracious than God, so forgiveness was limited to three times.

Peter thought that he was going very far, for he takes the Rabbinic three times, multiplies it by two for good measure adds one, and suggests, with eager self-satisfaction, that it will be enough if he forgives seven times. Peter expected to be warmly commended; but Jesus's answer was that the Christian must forgive seventy times seven. In other words there is no reckonable limit to forgiveness.

How often? Daily or even three times a day. How often does one pray?

Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.

And how does one pray?

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
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Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

As John (the disciple the Lord loved) said...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[JaumeJ]

Will anyone here declare that sin is no longer because Christ was crucified?

No?

Where does sin find its power?

In breaking the commandments of Yahweh.

Anyone who teaches the commandments are not to be followed is very unfortunate, and not in Yeshua.

Sin was not destroyed on the cross, but the curse of the law was, that being death.

If breaking the commandments amounts to sin, then teaching against the following of them is a sin.

All who believe the Messiah hear Him, they are not looking for the approval of the theologies of man, all warm and fuzzy, no works, being saved without saying thank you by our actions, and lots of Lord Lords. These folks are to be avoided, shunned even.

Yeshua gives us rest for our souls, while the Sabbath of the Lord is a day set aside to rest from the six days of labor for our bodies. Perhaps those who do not actually work as laborors cannot understand this. I do.

All who say grace means we do not follow the commandments are not of the Master, for He is the One Who teaches we should obey them.

One of the favorite warm and fuzzies is stating "if we all obey the greatest laws the two laws of love, everything will be fine." Well this is true indeed, however the Ten Commandments are contained in obeying them, while the majority using this "law of love" argument, use it against the Commandments of Yahweh, Almighty, in favor of their touchy feely, Holy Spiritless theology. They should seek Yeshua in the Holy Spirit. When they know they have received the Holy Spirit, perhaps then, and only then they will know the difference. Until then, again, they are false brethren best off shunned.

Remember when our Lord told the hypocrytes who claimed they knew all, "Had you not said you see, you would be innocent, but now that you say you see, your guilt remains."

 

[adventbeliever]

Why would you still judge a Christian's righteousness by deeds of the law? Our righteousness is by faith, instead (Rom 4:5).

haz
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The righteousness which is by faith is the righteousness of Christ and the righteousness of Christ is the righteousness of God and the righteousness of God is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God for righteousness is love and "love is the fulfillment of the law." Rom.13:10.

Righteousness is right doing, God's right doing, God working in us both to will and to do His good pleasure (Phil.2:13) and His good pleasure is expressed in the precepts of His holy law. *Romans 2:18.

ab

 

[haz]

Why would you still judge a Christian's righteousness by deeds of the law? Our righteousness is by faith, instead (Rom 4:5).

haz
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The righteousness which is by faith is the righteousness of Christ and the righteousness of Christ is the righteousness of God and the righteousness of God is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God for righteousness is love and "love is the fulfillment of the law." Rom.13:10.

Righteousness is right doing, God's right doing, God working in us both to will and to do His good pleasure (Phil.2:13) and His good pleasure is expressed in the precepts of His holy law. *Romans 2:18.

ab

Hi adventbeliever,

Yes, obedience to the law of righteousness is proving one's righteousness.
The law of righteousness requires perfect obedience for one to be considered righteous. To offend in even just one point, makes you guilty of all the law, thus unrighteous.

James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

I know many Adventists and none of them keeps the law. They're all guilty of all the law.

Does that make them unrighteous?

Or is our faith counted for righteousness, instead (Rom 4:5)?

 

[haz]

Will anyone here declare that sin is no longer because Christ was crucified?

God declares it.

Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

1Pet 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered (crucified) for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind (our old man crucified with him, Rom 6:6): for he that hath suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) hath ceased from sin.

1John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

John 8:36
If the Son therefore shall make you free(from sin), ye shall be free indeed.

JaumeJ, you seem to be denying what Christ's sacrifice accomplished. You deny that Jesus set us free from sin.

All who say grace means we do not follow the commandments are not of the Master, for He is the One Who teaches we should obey them.

Let's clarify our positions here, as your statement above is misleading.
Nobody is saying that under grace we have a license to get away with murder.

Where we differ is on how is righteousness determined.
Some here argue that without perfect obedience to the law (and some others argue for some lessor, ambiguous level of obedience as a minimum standard), then we're unrighteous and of the devil.

But others here argue that we're saved by grace. Under grace we love one another and forgive 7x70, just as God loves and forgives us. And if we do wrong, we will not profit by it as God disciplines us.

These 2 differing views are seen in scripture also.
Consider Rom 9:30-32 for example.
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone

We see the same debate over and over again on forums of grace V's works of the law, just as scripture also describes.

the Ten Commandments are contained in obeying them, while the majority using this "law of love" argument, use it against the Commandments of Yahweh, Almighty, in favor of their touchy feely, Holy Spiritless theology. They should seek Yeshua in the Holy Spirit. When they know they have received the Holy Spirit, perhaps then, and only then they will know the difference. Until then, again, they are false brethren best off shunned.

Actually scripture does say we should shun those who are in to works of the law for righteousness.

Consider 1Cor 5:11-13
I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Those who are preaching works of the law as proof of righteousness are actually the "fornicator" spoken of in 1Cor 5.
Such are fornicating with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24.
They are drunkards, drunk with the wine of fornication.

Rev 17:1,2
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

1Cor 5:7
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

These fornicators, preaching works of the law, have not purged out the old leaven.
Jesus described "leaven" as being the doctrine of works of the law for righteousness, which the likes of the Pharisees taught (Matt 16:12). Jesus warned us to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees.

Gal 5:7-9 also warns us about leaven/doctrines of righteousness by works of the law.

Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Beware the leaven of the legalists preaching works of the law. Christians are not to keep company with them, 1Cor 5:11

 

[4enlightment]

Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice,
and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.

Matthew 12:7If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.

John 14:9Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

 

[JaumeJ]

God declares it.

Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
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Do not change the meaning of the Word. The guilt of iniquity will not be imputed to Yahweh's elect, just as King David's was not when among other iniquities, he took Bathsheba, made her pregnant, then cause Uriah to die in heated battle by ordering his captain to have his troops withdraw from him, leaving this loyal servant to die.

1Pet 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered (crucified) for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind (our old man crucified with him, Rom 6:6): for he that hath suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) hath ceased from sin.

You are aware that suffering in the flesh is denying the flesh. When we deny the flesh (obeying Yahweh instead of our worldly desires) we die. You are telling others they are perfect now by twisting this Holy Scripture to mean this. No man is perfect until That Day, The Lord's Day. Paul and John, just two, teach we do sin, but when we do, we have Yeshua as our Mediator to the Father. Of course we do not sin habitually, for our new nature will not allow this, but do not teach blasphemy. When anyone is saved, he is being perfected. Only Yeshua walked in flesh perfect..


1John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

Again this is regarding the imputation. One line does not make null and void all the rest of the teaching by the same Apostle who states that anyone who says he does not sin is a liar and the truth is not in him.

You are basing your own reasoning on what you pick and choose. I am not doing this, Paul teaches the same, and John teaches the same. The glory of turning to Yeshua is the truth that we acknowledge our sin to Yahweh and we are forgiven. The guilt of our sin is not imputed against us, therefore in that sense only we are without sin, but never say we do not sin or teach such, for that is denying obedience of the commandments and to deliberately break them for they are law also, is sin, and that is recrucifying Yeshua.

John 8:36
If the Son therefore shall make you free(from sin), ye shall be free indeed.

JaumeJ, you seem to be denying what Christ's sacrifice accomplished. You deny that Jesus set us free from sin.

If you knew my heart, you would be Yahweh. You are not. Spouting loose verses that seem to support what you want to be truth has noting to do with the Spirit of Truth contained within the written words. The Written Word avails nothing without the Holy Spirit, actually it is death. Yes, Yeshua frees our souls from sin, and if you truly understood this you would not teach and preach against the teachings of the Master. Do not tell others they do not understand His wonderful and glorious sacrifice, while they are learning from Him. Again this is teaching against listening to Him, a blasphemy.

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Let's clarify our positions here, as your statement above is misleading.
Nobody is saying that under grace we have a license to get away with murder.
You have a "position" to clarify. I continue to share the teachngs of the Lamb of Yahweh. You have you involved and not the Holy Spirit. The Blood of Yahweh's Lamb has set me free. One of my greatest freedoms is I do not have to judge you to condemnation, yet I am given to judge your teaching as not only wrong but also dangerous to those innocent by weakness who have come to the Lord, you cannot fool them, though you may cause them to fall, Yeshua will pick them up. Remember the millstone.

Where we differ is on how is righteousness determined.
Some here argue that without perfect obedience to the law (and some others argue for some lessor, ambiguous level of obedience as a minimum standard), then we're unrighteous and of the devil.

Where we differ is I believe our righteousness was determined on the cross, and our wisdom is from Yahweh by the Holy Spirit lighting and giving life to the Word. I always share from what I have learned from the Word. I have never come close to saying we must be perfect in obeying the commandments because Yahweh has taught me in that He knows are frame, we recognize the same in others. We do not sin habitually, but breaking a commandment is a sin, therefore, though the guilt of it is no longer imputed against us, we have still broken a law, we have sinned. Do not teach and preach against obeying the Ten Commandments, that is of the enemy. Your words have the appearance of piety but the wisdom of the Word is lacking.

But others here argue that we're saved by grace. Under grace we love one another and forgive 7x70, just as God loves and forgives us. And if we do wrong, we will not profit by it as God disciplines us.

I do not argue. We are saved by grace, by the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh. Do you claim the Blood of Yeshua? If so, you are washed of the guilt you used to have. Do not say you do not sin, please. That would be a lie, and the father of lies is Satan. He who says he is without sin is a liar and the truth is not in him..........John.

These 2 differing views are seen in scripture also.
Consider Rom 9:30-32 for example.
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone

We see the same debate over and over again on forums of grace V's works of the law, just as scripture also describes.

Scripture? Listen to our Lord, Yeshua.

Joh 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.


This teaches all we need know. If we believe Yeshua, we do as He teaches, and when we falter, and we will, He will pick us up.

I am going to stop here for I do not like rambling posts, and the really errant ramble begins here. While quoting the Book, Revelation, please keep in mind that obeying the commandments of the Most High God are indicated at least twice in that book, and one of the times it declares obeying the commandments of Yahweh and faith in Yeshua in the same compound sentence as separate teachings, yet they blend quite well. Read the Word, believe the Word, and worship the Word, for Yeshua is the Word.





Actually scripture does say we should shun those who are in to works of the law for righteousness.

Yes you should, who says otherwise?

Consider 1Cor 5:11-13
I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Those who are preaching works of the law as proof of righteousness are actually the "fornicator" spoken of in 1Cor 5.
Such are fornicating with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24.
They are drunkards, drunk with the wine of fornication.

Rev 17:1,2
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

1Cor 5:7
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

These fornicators, preaching works of the law, have not purged out the old leaven.
Jesus described "leaven" as being the doctrine of works of the law for righteousness, which the likes of the Pharisees taught (Matt 16:12). Jesus warned us to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees.

Gal 5:7-9 also warns us about leaven/doctrines of righteousness by works of the law.

Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Beware the leaven of the legalists preaching works of the law. Christians are not to keep company with them, 1Cor 5:11

If anyone believes wordy posts are made more authoratative by the word content itself, please recall that in a multitude of words sin is not far. To teach against obeying the commandments is anti-christ, for sin finds its power in the law, and the commandments are law, to deliberatly break laws is still a sin.

Live in the grace of Yeshua, and the guilt of any slippage is already forgiven, but this is not excuse to break any commandment. If this is not understood, grace is not understood.

 

[haz]

If anyone believes wordy posts are made more authoratative by the word content itself, please recall that in a multitude of words sin is not far. To teach against obeying the commandments is anti-christ, for sin finds its power in the law, and the commandments are law, to deliberatly break laws is still a sin.


Live in the grace of Yeshua, and the guilt of any slippage is already forgiven, but this is not excuse to break any commandment. If this is not understood, grace is not understood.

Hi JaumeJ,

I too prefer shorter posts, wherever possible.

Your suggestion that sin is not far off in many words, is an odd claim, considering that most of my post consisted of God's word. Can I suggest you also quote more scripture, and less of your own words, when you post. Also I noted your rather wordy reply hidden within my quote. Very subtle.

 

[JaumeJ]

You so not see the pivotal word you employe? You said reply! I was simply replying to your words, and I became weary of all the allegations and stopped early. Yes, your post was wordy, therefore the reply, although cut short, would be wordy, naturally.Now shall we stop this banter now, or are you searching for some kind of rivalry?

 

[Grandpa]

Will anyone here declare that sin is no longer because Christ was crucified?

No?

Where does sin find its power?

In breaking the commandments of Yahweh.

Anyone who teaches the commandments are not to be followed is very unfortunate, and not in Yeshua.

Sin was not destroyed on the cross, but the curse of the law was, that being death.

If breaking the commandments amounts to sin, then teaching against the following of them is a sin.

All who believe the Messiah hear Him, they are not looking for the approval of the theologies of man, all warm and fuzzy, no works, being saved without saying thank you by our actions, and lots of Lord Lords. These folks are to be avoided, shunned even.

Yeshua gives us rest for our souls, while the Sabbath of the Lord is a day set aside to rest from the six days of labor for our bodies. Perhaps those who do not actually work as laborors cannot understand this. I do.

All who say grace means we do not follow the commandments are not of the Master, for He is the One Who teaches we should obey them.

One of the favorite warm and fuzzies is stating "if we all obey the greatest laws the two laws of love, everything will be fine." Well this is true indeed, however the Ten Commandments are contained in obeying them, while the majority using this "law of love" argument, use it against the Commandments of Yahweh, Almighty, in favor of their touchy feely, Holy Spiritless theology. They should seek Yeshua in the Holy Spirit. When they know they have received the Holy Spirit, perhaps then, and only then they will know the difference. Until then, again, they are false brethren best off shunned.

Remember when our Lord told the hypocrytes who claimed they knew all, "Had you not said you see, you would be innocent, but now that you say you see, your guilt remains."

Romans 9:30-33
[SUP]30 [/SUP]What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
[SUP]33 [/SUP]As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


The OT Jewish way didn't work for us. We need a new, better way. Thankfully the Lord Jesus Christ gives us that New, Better Way.

If you are convinced in the pride of your own mind that you must follow the Jewish way then no one can convince you otherwise. All that can be told to you is that there is a New, Better Way.

Its very unfortunate that the followers of the old Jewish way don't understand the way they follow is impossible. A person can't be perfect as God is perfect by obeying commandments, thus perfecting ones own self. Judaizers twist this all around so that they can "keep" some watered down version of the 10 commandments making it seem like they are keeping the law. Don't let them pull the wool over your eyes. There is only one way to the Father. It isn't by the old jewish way. Its by the New Way. The Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[sparkman]

The Ten Commandments are a summary of the Old Covenant
Exodus 34:28 “So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the word of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 31:18 “And he gave to Moses when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deut 4:13 “And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments, and he wrote them on two tablets of stone”.
Deut 9:9 “When I went up the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that the Lord made with you.”
Deut 9:11 “And at the end of forty days and forty nights the Lord gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.”
The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and Israel, not God and Christians
Ex 31:12-17 And the Lord said to Moses, “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you. You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death. Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever. It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.”
The Old Covenant is no longer in effect for ANYONE
Heb 8:13-9:4 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. For a tent was prepared, the first section, in which were the lampstand and the table, and the bread of the Presence. It is called the Holy Place. Behind the second curtain was a second section called the Most Holy Place, having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant.
Gal 3:17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterwards, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.
Gal 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
Gal 3:24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith
Gal 3:25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a guardian
2 Cor 3:4-18 Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even much more glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory. Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
The Sabbath, as part of the Old Covenant, is not in affect for ANYONE
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
Rom 14:5-6 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Col 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ
Jesus is our Sabbath or spiritual rest, and we enter into that spiritual rest by placing our faith in Him
Matt 11:28-30 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and lean from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Heb 4:1-8 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest. “ although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.”. Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today”, saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted. “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had not given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from is works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
Christians are under the New Covenant, which has much higher demands and different commandments
Luke 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.”
Heb 9:15 Therefore, he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Jn 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
Jn 15:12 This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
Jn 15:17 These things I command you, so that you will love one another
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
I am a former Sabbathkeeper due to my association as a new believer with Worldwide Church of God (now called Grace Communion International). Worldwide Church of God came to realize in 1995 that Christians are under the New Covenant, and not the Old Covenant, and the Sabbath does not apply to Christians under the New Covenant. It was a sign of the Old Covenant (like baptism and the Lord’s Supper are signs of the New Covenant), and is not a moral absolute like Sabbathkeepers claim. Sabbathkeeping doctrine invariably takes the focus off the true gospel, which is about Jesus Christ and salvation by grace through faith in Him (Eph 2:8-9). As a Sabbathkeeper, I rarely heard messages about God’s grace and love; the message of such organizations invariably focuses on the Sabbath. Jesus Christ was also placed on the backburner and was not the focus of their teaching. If you would like good sources of information in regards to the Sabbath check out Grace Communion International’s website at https://www.gci.org/law I now attend an Evangelical Free church that focuses on Jesus Christ and salvation through Him, which is the true gospel.