CHRIST ISM.

livingbygrace · May 17, 2011

zone said:

From the same chapter

If anyone acknowledge that Jesus is the son of God, God lives in him and he in God

verse 15

I know enough of your theolgy

Call other Christians heretics and idolators

Demand extra biblical beliefs for salvation

Refuse to accept the words of Christ as to the belief required in him for salvation

But demand others follow all the scriptures you lay before them

Insinuate others believe things they do not

Then proclaim you defend the scritpures

zone · May 17, 2011

livingbygrace said:

i don't DEMAND anything.

i've provided information, sources and documentation that i have already spent the time and effort to make certain i affirm.

i post it for THOSE WHO CARE ENOUGH to make sure they know why they believe what they believe.

if they don't like it, they don't have to read it.

now, you've got your 2 or 3 pet issues you continue to post on. you have your responses.

what are you on about now?

livingbygrace · May 17, 2011

zone said:

i don't DEMAND anything.

i've provided information, sources and documentation that i have already spent the time and effort to make certain i affirm.

quote]

Simply say that your sources and documentation are not worth the paper they are written on if they contradict the Bible, or demand extra biblical beliefs of others

And I can't help wondering if all the time these so called scholars spent looking up other scholars and devouring what they write, spent such time in prayer they may know a lot more of the truth that really mattrers than they do, and they might be a little less condemning of others

BTW

Your own effort will get you nowhere

Are you so foolish. After begining with the spirit are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?
Gal 3:3

zone · May 17, 2011

livingbygrace said:

zone said:

i don't DEMAND anything.

i've provided information, sources and documentation that i have already spent the time and effort to make certain i affirm.

quote]

Simply say that your sources and documentation are not worth the paper they are written on if they contradict the Bible, or demand extra biblical beliefs of others

And I can't help wondering if all the time these so called scholars spent looking up other scholars and devouring what they write, spent such time in prayer they may know a lot more of the truth that really mattrers than they do, and they might be a little less condemning of others

BTW

Your own effort will get you nowhere

Are you so foolish. After begining with the spirit are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?
Gal 3:3

so long LBG.
i've got work to do elsewhere.
good luck with your isues.

Red33 · May 17, 2011

livingbygrace said:

zone said:

You keep that up, your fingers will cramp up and your tongue is going to swell up on you so that you won't be able to swallow anything.

Red33 · May 17, 2011

WeStand said:

There you go again falsley accussing, What makes you beleive that i don't have respect for a non-smokers space? These laws i agree with.

On another point, one of the people on this site, that i strongly feel the spirit of Christ through, as do many others is a smoker.

You never should have admitted that your an ex-smoker, because even from non-smokers, i've heard first hand this comment many times; The one thing I Can't stand is a reformed smoker, drinker or drug abuser that is telling or suggesting to someone who is, that they should quit.

Religious people just don't seem to get it; they really beleive that they and there church are able to help and heal people. FALSE, Gods Word with understanding does the above; Churchs should do their job and just lead people to Gods Word, but they won't do it as Religion falls way short of the Truth in Gods Word.

Forever in Christ

Does it also apply to being a sinner? Should I never go to my brother who is overtaken in a fault and try to restore him? Am I somehow disqualified from doing that because I have also sinned?

livingbygrace · May 17, 2011

Red33 said:

Red

My advice would be. If it is really on your heart for We Stand to stop smoking because you care about him as a fellow Christian, why not get on your knees in your home and ask God to stop him smoking and to take the very desire out of his life for nicotene. Have faith that God will hear and answer your prayers for your brother, and let this just be between yourself and God. Commit yoiurself to praying for him each day, but do not tell anyone, or comment on what you are doing, surely then God will be pleased

For you should be able to discern that no amount of words from you will stop him smoking, so what is to be galned by your further comments?

Red33 · May 17, 2011

livingbygrace said:

LBG,

Do me a big favor, don't respond anymore to any of my posts. I have no care for what you have to say on any subject. There are plenty of others you can respond to without having to be driven to respond to me all the time. I have no intentions of responding to you directly or indirectly. If you are a mature Christian, I am sure you can handle that in the grace of God and restrain yourself from here on out. If you will not leave me alone I will make it an issue and consult with the moderators. Now, let me be, thank you.

WeStand · May 17, 2011

Red33 said:

Like it has been pointed out to you by others and Gods Word, we all have our faults; Christ appreciates our sacrifices that we do to rid ourselves of sin, But we ALL have them.

If you think your rid of ALL yours, then your only fooling yourself. I have made plenty of other sacrifices in my life, that were a way bigger issue than smoking.

Should you not go to restore a brother who is sinning? Well Red remember that sin is a growing problem not decreasing.

And just what is the BIGGEST SIN there is right Now; Everybody knows of Christ and Well they should, as He's been here and made His Point.

Who is it that has Not been here Physically? other than the very breif moment that Moses caught a glimpse of Him, The Father of course.

What is Christs Ministry? its not that difficult, Christ highly reccommended to ALL that they should really get to KNOW OF, Our(not MY) Father whom art in Heaven.

If a person is unaware of The Creator of Life and The Source of Love, then yes you should spend as much time as possible with that one, until the person finds The Father in and through Christ.

After that big sin is out of the way, your done, the rest of the correcting i assure you, Gods Word will take care, as the next one in line is our mouths, you know, the little member that starts wars.

Just out of curiosity are you aware of the 40 year blindess that WE have been through?

Forever in Christ

zackabba · May 17, 2011

AnandaHya said:

Well, at least you're jumping with me on that

Rejoice! I'll say it again, Rejoice!

zackabba · May 17, 2011

Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called "knowledge," for by professing it some have swerved from the faith.

Now, am I saying that applies to everyone on here? Absolutely not!

But let's see what the beginning of this post was about - isms.

Now what are we "talking" about? We're talking about Christians that are mature, and Christians that are not mature...what's the deal?

If Jesus is truly our God and Savior, then we shouldn't be going on about these things.

livingbygrace · May 17, 2011

Red33 said:

If you do not wish to correspond with me anymore of course I am happy to respect your wishes, but as it was you stalking me for most of the time I do not see how you could find fault with me for being drawn into our conversations
If I remember rightly I once asked you to ignore me and you said

'I will reply to any post I want to'

But I am an easy going chap so I will acceed to your request

AnandaHya · May 17, 2011

1 Corinthians 11:23-32 (New King James Version)

Institution of the Lord’s Supper

23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat;[a] this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.

27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood[c] of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner[d] eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s[e] body. 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.

EverlastingChange · May 17, 2011

You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men? 1Corinthians 3:3

livingbygrace · May 17, 2011

EverlastingChange said:

Young man, there will be many times in the coming years when you will sorely be put to the test, and but for the grace of God you would not go on with Christ. I may have many faults, of which I am only too painfully aware, but my advice would be to you, do not be too eager to quote scriipture to others to show them their faults, rather in humility come before God and ask him to keep you from the pitfalls of life, and be humbly grateful for the answers to your prayers.
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AnandaHya · May 17, 2011

EverlastingChange said:

1Corinthians 3
18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their own craftiness”;[a] 20 and again, “The LORD knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” 21 Therefore let no one boast in men. For all things are yours: 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas, or the world or life or death, or things present or things to come—all are yours. 23 And you are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s

EverlastingChange · May 17, 2011

My fellow workers in Christ, If I offended any of you with my post, it's only cause it applied to you. If it stung the flesh, good, it might have killed it a bit. I was not trying to be wise, or self-righteous in what I said, cause well in fact I never said anything, all I did was quote a verse of scripture.

The reason for me posting it was I came onto this thread out of genuine interest, and was quite disappointed in the amount of bickering going on in it, especially a few in particular. The reason it leaves me discontented is because well, are we not all followers of Christ? Why then do we spend so much time debating amongst people who are also in the light with us. If we are both in the light and out of darkness what do we have to discuss other than who's light is brighter, but does it really matter. By the grace of God you're saved, and by the grace of God it cost nothing. Just as it was freely given unto you, so must you freely give.

You have non-Christians on this site too, who come on here whether they know it or not seeking some kind of hope and we have it, or are supposed to at least. But they see this exhaustive disputes and must be put off more than I am, cause if I also believe in God and it disturbs me, how much more is it going to disturb them?

The world can't afford for us to be spending all our time correcting minute things, when there are literally millions upon millions who don't even know the truth.

There's a 1000 eye's on us guy's so come on let's just stand united for once and be examples; and be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry.

Grace be with you all.

AnandaHya · May 17, 2011

Tigger2 · May 17, 2011

zone said:

so God gave wakeup the mind of a child so he could lead the sheep away from "the learned ones"?
knowledge is of the devil...unlss it comes from gnostic formulas?

why are the prophecies hidden wakeup?
and to whom are they being revealed?

i know to you, but are there any other chosen ones? or just you?

kept in the dark by whom? theologians i bet.

that sounds gnostic.
Jesus is the LIGHT OF THE WORLD.
all regenerated christians have their minds enlightened.

where is "the light" we are to "come out into" - is it around you?

huh?
i thought knowledge was a no-no.

creepy advice.

thanks for telling me that: i did not know that.
wow...i'm learning already.

er....should i be learning?

ummm...if you're talking to unsaved people, this would make sense.

the truth is knowing Christ: being regenerated.

unless......you are proposing some additional (hidden) truth. if you are, why can't you just spit it out? you keep hinting and suggesting you have something to tell us but you never quite get around to it. very seductive and alluring.

what ya got for us wakeup? LAY IT OUT.

spell it out. can you do that?

but....i thought you said we can't use our "knowledge" of the scriptures....
or....can we?

do i have to be given a child's mind first? what age approximately? 5? 9? will it hurt?

what exactly are we fighting wakeup? tell me.

how does it work to be given the mind of a child: does God erase everything, and then pour in the information by osmosis?

[or is the imperative to have the FAITH of a child?]

THEN LAY THEM OUT:
make one thread and reveal everything none of us get, okay? ONE THREAD. be specific and detailed.

if you know these things get on with it. TEACH US.

are we allowed to search the scriptures to see if what you say is so?

what makes you think 'theologians' don't know the old and the new?
what's with the suggestion we don't have strong faith?

is knowledge your foundation wakeup? i thought that was the bad way.

but....i WAS happy and rich and full of love for God: but then you said i couldn't possibly be.

could you help me out on this a little more?

tell me about the mysteries in the prophecies....maybe that'll fix my problem?

This is quite possibly the most sarcastic post I have ever read. I could say much more but, what would be the purpose?

livingbygrace · May 17, 2011

I guess most will not agree with me, but we have to come as little children. We are saved by a simple faith. We cannot become Christians unless we have faith for we must believe God exists and He sent his son to die for us

But then how do we progress in our Christian walk?

By reading vastly of theologians and scholars? By reading all of the different ologies and isms. I am not being disrespectful here, but is that really beneficial? Do we need to strive to learn by understanding about Arminianism? Christology? Calvinism? and much more?

To me we have the Bible and the Holy Spirit to show us the truth within its pages, is that not enough?

Do we remain in simple childlike faith, trusting God through the Spirit to show us truth as we read God's word, and as we come closer to God in our hearts, the more the spirit takes over our life, the more we are shown?
Or are we expected to read up on vast amounts of literature and theologies. That seems so impersonal to me.

I think it is all about a loving, close relationship with God through Christ, coming ever closer to him in our hearts and trusting him to show us truth from the Bible, and sometimes we may read the odd book that will give us encouragement.
And having a prayer time where from the heart we are thrilled just to pray and come before God through Christ and raise our arms in the air with heartfelt love and thanks to God for what He has done for us, totally depending on Christ to change us, for we know we cannot do a thing of ourselves, and rejoicing with tears of gratitude for the salvation we the undeserving sinners have

I just do not see a life of great study bringing that kind of result. On another website I frequent they have such in depth theological discussions, but it all seems so impersonal to me.

God wants the heart, I hope I don't offend, but the way of ologies and isms to me is of the head not the heart

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