Christ kept the Law of Moses, so....

Nehemiah6 · Jan 4, 2023

Not according to Scripture, and what is said about the New Covenant and the New Birth: For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people... In that he saith, A New Covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. (Heb 8:10,13)

Paul said that the Old Covenant (the Law of Moses) was "ready to vanish away" since the temple was still standing at that time. When the temple was destroyed, the Old Covenant was abolished (2 Cor 3:13).

And under the New Covenant, regeneration includes the putting of the Ten Commandments into hearts and minds by the Holy Spirit: Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. (Ezek 36:25-27)

We know that the Law of Christ (the Law of Love) incorporates the Ten Commandments through what was written by Paul (Rom 13:8-14) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the Law. For this, [1] Thou shalt not commit adultery, [2] Thou shalt not kill, [3] Thou shalt not steal, [4] Thou shalt not bear false witness, [5] Thou shalt not covet; and [6] if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the Law.

"If there be any other commandment" is quite comprehensive. Which means that Christians are not Antinomians and not lawless ones. But they are under THE LAW OF CHRIST. Christ had already said that the Ten Commandments were covered by the two greatest commandments, and then He distilled them into the Law of Love. That is under grace.

notonmywatch · Jan 4, 2023

posthuman said:

I think that you're misunderstanding what the other poster meant. In other words, I think that he was saying that there were promises in the law or in the Old Testament that Christ would be raised from the dead. If I'm understanding him correctly, then he is correct because, in this sense, there was a promise of life in the law.

Gideon300 · Jan 4, 2023

ServantoftheMostHigh said:

I suggest that you do a study on what the New Testament has to say about the Law. You will find that the law no longer applies to believers. The New Covenant is just that, new. It is the covenant of grace, coming through Jesus, not Law that came through Moses. Check it out for yourself.

To be under law is to be a slave. It is to live in the shadows. I prefer to live in the light of the Lord Jesus. He fulfilled the Law so that we would not have to. Jesus is the righteousness that exceeds that of the Pharisees. He is my righteousness.

evyaniy · Jan 4, 2023

notonmywatch said:

and also that Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life because of His obedience to the law in giving His life as a sacrifice for sin to save us. He asked multiple times in Psalm 119 to live because of the promise of life in the law to Him. Only the Son could pray that while knowing He had to give His life to obey the law. if Psalm 119 was anyone else's prayer they would be a lawbreaker and an oath breaker because the Person praying Psalm 119 promised to be obedient and even took an oath to obey the law. Psalm 119 can only be the Son's prayer.

evyaniy · Jan 4, 2023

knowing Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer to live because of His obedience to the law in giving His life to save us is one of the most important revelations in Scripture. yet nearly none of the early Church leaders and commentators understood it and so misinterpreted the Psalm. even today you can watch video after video on Psalm 119 by preachers and pastors and doctors and professors and nearly none of them get that Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life because of His obedience. then you get called names and accusations for trying to point out one of the most important truths in Scripture. guess it goes with the territory.

evyaniy · Jan 4, 2023

ServantoftheMostHigh said:

it is a way of saying we need a Savior to enter heaven. none of us can earn our way to heaven through what we do. no religious dogma or adherence can make us righteous. it is only His sacrificial death for our sins that saves us. then His righteousness is ascribed to us even though we do not deserve it. His love and obedience to the Father in giving His life saves us that we may become the righteousness of YAH through Him. it is His imputed righteousness that exceeds the righteousness we cannot attain through effort or atone for our sins on our own. it is righteousness by faith in Him and what He did.

ResidentAlien · Jan 4, 2023

Nehemiah6 said:

Not according to Scripture, and what is said about the New Covenant and the New Birth: For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people... In that he saith, A New Covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. (Heb 8:10,13)

Paul said that the Old Covenant (the Law of Moses) was "ready to vanish away" since the temple was still standing at that time. When the temple was destroyed, the Old Covenant was abolished (2 Cor 3:13).

And under the New Covenant, regeneration includes the putting of the Ten Commandments into hearts and minds by the Holy Spirit: Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. (Ezek 36:25-27)

We know that the Law of Christ (the Law of Love) incorporates the Ten Commandments through what was written by Paul (Rom 13:8-14) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the Law. For this, [1] Thou shalt not commit adultery, [2] Thou shalt not kill, [3] Thou shalt not steal, [4] Thou shalt not bear false witness, [5] Thou shalt not covet; and [6] if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the Law.

"If there be any other commandment" is quite comprehensive. Which means that Christians are not Antinomians and not lawless ones. But they are under THE LAW OF CHRIST. Christ had already said that the Ten Commandments were covered by the two greatest commandments, and then He distilled them into the Law of Love. That is under grace.

If I get time this week I'll read all of this.

evyaniy · Jan 4, 2023

Mark 10 has the passage about the young ruler with the question about how he could inherit eternal life.

17 As He was going out into the way, one ran to Him, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Rabbi, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”
18 Yeshua said to Him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One—YAH. 19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not give false testimony,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and mother.’ ”✡
20 He said to Him, “Rabbi, I have observed all these things from my youth.”
21 Yeshua looking at Him loved Him, and said to Him, “One thing you lack. Go, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me, taking up the cross.”
22 But his face fell at that saying, and he went away sorrowful, for he was one who had great possessions.

This was before He gave His life to save us. He said only One was good, His Father.

He had not fully obeyed the law yet by offering His life to save us. He points the young man to the commandments which the man claims obedience to. He pointed out the man's need of salvation and pointed to the cross. His answers before His crucifixion anticipated what He must go through to be completely obedient to the first 2 commandments to love YAH above all and His neighbor as Himself. Till He had accomplished that sacrifice to save us, obedience to the law was His answer on how to inherit eternal life. Obedience to the law was His path to eternal life and being raised from the dead after giving His life to save us.

evyaniy · Jan 4, 2023

Mark 12 also records His answer to the scribes about the greatest commandment of all. this is from the HNV version without edits for Names and caps.

28 One of the scribes came and heard them questioning together, and knowing that he had answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the greatest of all?”
29 Yeshua answered, “The greatest is: ‘Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. 31 The second is like this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
32 The scribe said to him, “Truly, Rabbi, you have said well that he is one, and there is none other but he; 33 and to love him with all the heart, with all the understanding, all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more important than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
34 When Yeshua saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from God’s Kingdom.”

He was focused on these 2 greatest commandments as He faced death on the cross. He knew He must give His life to be obedient to these 2 commandments which other commandments are based on. He also knew that it was His sacrifice for the forgiveness of our sins that would allow us to enter heaven. the law was His path to life and His obedience in giving His life to save us saved Him from death as well. the Father raised Him from death to life again for His complete obedience to the greatest commandments which accomplished our salvation.

evyaniy · Jan 4, 2023

from John 3

14 As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For YAH so loved the world, that He gave His only born Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For YAH didn’t send His Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through Him. 18 He who believes in Him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the Name of the only born Son of YAH.

posthuman · Jan 4, 2023

evyaniy said:

which part of the law commands suicide?

chapter & verse plz ok thx

posthuman · Jan 4, 2023

evyaniy said:

the Son is "The Life" -- John 14:6 -- why then does He need to plead for mercy in order to live?
what sin are you ascribing to Him? what fault do you accuse Him of?
or does He Who is the Originator & Sustainer of all life need to boast to someone about His works in order to receive life as a wage?

Oh, that my ways were directed

To keep Your statutes!

Then I would not be ashamed,

When I look into all Your commandments.

(Psalm 119:5-6)

so you are telling me that Jesus Christ's ways are not directed to keep the statutes of the law?
and that Jesus Christ is ashamed when He looks into all of the commandments of the law?

because that is exactly what the speaker of Psalm 119 is saying about themselves.

i understand that you have been indoctrinated into the 119-ministries Hebrew roots group. this is not 'new'
but examine your teachers, friend, before you go around trying to indoctrinate others into the same thing. they are fallible men

Aaron56 · Jan 4, 2023

posthuman said:

The Law of Moses could never ask one to give up his life. It was designed to preserve the lives of the people through whom the Seed of God would come: Jesus.

Papermonkey · Jan 4, 2023

posthuman said:

the Son is "The Life" -- John 14:6 -- why then does He need to plead for mercy in order to live?
what sin are you ascribing to Him? what fault do you accuse Him of?
or does He Who is the Originator & Sustainer of all life need to boast to someone about His works in order to receive life as a wage?

Oh, that my ways were directed

To keep Your statutes!

Then I would not be ashamed,

When I look into all Your commandments.

(Psalm 119:5-6)

so you are telling me that Jesus Christ's ways are not directed to keep the statutes of the law?
and that Jesus Christ is ashamed when He looks into all of the commandments of the law?

because that is exactly what the speaker of Psalm 119 is saying about themselves.

i understand that you have been indoctrinated into the 119-ministries Hebrew roots group. this is not 'new'
but examine your teachers, friend, before you go around trying to indoctrinate others into the same thing. they are fallible men

Why don't you just choose to make your point rather than doing what your doing to others ?😔

evyaniy · Jan 4, 2023

He was Issac willingly carrying the wood on His back. He was the ram caught in the thicket that YAH provided. He is our Passover Lamb. He is the Priest Who made atonement for us with His own blood as required of Him in the law.

Hebrews 9
11 But Messiah having come as a high Priest of the coming good things, through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation, 12 nor yet through the blood of goats and calves, but through His Own blood, entered in once for all into the Holy Place, having obtained eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled, sanctify to the cleanness of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Messiah, Who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without defect to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 For this reason He is the Mediator of a new covenant, since a death has occurred for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant, that those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. 16 For where a last will and testament is, there must of necessity be the death of Him Who made it. 17 For a will is in force where there has been death, for it is never in force while He Who made it lives.

seed_time_harvest · Jan 4, 2023

Papermonkey said:

I think you took Matthew 5:17 out of context misinterpreting the meaning of JESUS did not come to abolish the law.
Although GOD could give a person a pass and tell them since you tried to keep the law I will give you PERFECT eternal life but GOD loves righteousness and hated Iniquity so a man would have to fulfill the law PERFECTLY before GOD would accept him.

No man could fulfil the law so GOD In CHRIST came to fulfill the law first THEN abolish It so that Anyone who would believe In HIM could be saved.

Because of the weakness of the flesh No one would have been able to keep the law of GOD Perfectly.

Paul wrote that I delight In the law of GOD after the Inward man but I see another law warring against the law of my MIND and bringing me Into captivity to the law of sin which Is IN my flesh.

evyaniy · Jan 4, 2023

how about that. Hebrews 9:11 through 9:17 and Psalm 119. lot's of 911 going on there. could it be a sign?

evyaniy · Jan 4, 2023

it could be that the precepts or statutes or testimonies that He speaks of in Psalm 119 over and over refer to the feasts and sacrifices and ordinances in the law that point to Him. He was well aware of what was required of Him and also aware of the promise in the law to raise Him again after He offered His life to save us. See what knowing Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life teaches us.

Nehemiah6 · Jan 4, 2023

evyaniy said:

That is incorrect. All those terms apply to the laws of God.

Papermonkey · Jan 4, 2023

seed_time_harvest said:

I think I will stick with Jesus speaking in perfect context when he said he did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.

If Jesus intended to communicate what you claim, he'd have said so.

Jesus fulfilled the law, then reiterated portions thereof, then said, if you love me keep my commands, laws.
All as promised.

Jeremiah 31
“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them,”
declares the Lord.
33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

Hebrews 10
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
‘Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7 Then I said, “Here I am – it is written about me in the scroll –
I have come to do your will, my God.”

16 ‘This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.’

17 Then he adds:
‘Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.’

18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

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