Christian Bakers Fined $125,000

[posthuman]

No shoes, No shirt, is a government health rule for food contamination.

as far as i am aware, it's nothing more than an "urban myth" that there is any state or federal weight behind 'no-shirt-no-shoes-no-service' rules.
there may be some local (city) ordinances but i don't know of any.

have a look - The Bare Facts No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service May Be The Rule But It Isn't The Law - tribunedigital-mcall

businesses may point to health concerns to defend their right to refuse service, but the rules originate purely from the business owners, not from the government.

the only thing that prevents any private business from refusing service to anyone in this country is the Civil Rights Act - and the amended version we have these days includes sexual deviancy as a protected class.
this bakery case isn't about refusing to serve a protected class altogether though; it's about a particular service. if they refused to even make a 'happy birthday' cake for such people, we'd have a much different set of circumstances, right?

 

[3Scoreand10]

where is all this tolerance, and compassion Christians are supposed to have from Christ Jesus.

What would christ have done, refused them, or serve them glady with a good dose of the word.

i give up on this site with you all. big group of you are no different than the hitler regime. only he was up front about his intentions.

no shoes no shirt, is a government health law to protect everyone from food contamination, and it applies to everyone with no discrimination.
drunkenness, or profanity does not discriminate against any individual of creed color or race,

GET REAL PEOPLE, AND GET CHRISTIAN

God bless

Yes, Jesus would give them a good dose of the Word, but would also condem their sinful lifestyle.
I do the same thing everytime I have opportunity.
It is not bigotry nor racism to refuse to be a part of a sinful act and state the reason why.
You are the one who needs to study the Word and ask forgiveness.
But I still believe that in a FREE COUNTRY any person or business has the right to not associate with or serve anyone they choose even if their reason is wrong.

 

[3Scoreand10]

CAN ANY BUSINESS REFUSE TO SERVE SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK. YES OR NO

In a FREE COUNTRY, yes they should be able to. But before you condem me let me state that would be wrong and I would never do that.
And any business that did so should be boycotted by all.
The US is not a FREE COUNTRY today.
Why should the rights of some be taken away while others rights are not taken away.
There are always winers and losers when it comes to certain rights.

 

[crossnote]

Since muslims are not Christians, but anti Christian, they are exempt.

You mean they are targets of discrimination as well

 

[3Scoreand10]

You mean they are targets of discrimination as well

No. Just stating a fact.
They are not Christian and therefore will NEVER be forced to abide by the same rules by this present government.

 

[angelsonthemove4u]

Homosexuals for the most part are indeed living a lie , when they say there is no God or He is a fairytale or mythology etc, etc, etc. Christian are being called homophobes , haters , discriminatory and the list goes on, they are using the law as a minority to up end morality, they are not alone the atheist and the radicalized muslim terrorist want to see Christianity put on the back burner and just go away...We Christian expect persecution, but in the process we need to use persecution to teach, something like this....God is not a homophobe or a hater and anyone who does not believe in Him is just a fool...Psalm 14

 

[crossnote]

No. Just stating a fact.
They are not Christian and therefore will NEVER be forced to abide by the same rules by this present government.

Like I said, discrimination. It's door swings both ways...discrimination against and discrimination for. Since the Muslims (or any group) is exempt they have been 'discriminated for'.

 

[MarcR]

Lev 18:20-30

20 Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.

21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled

28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God.
KJV


Ro 1:20-32

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
KJV

Here we clearly see in both Old and New Testaments that God views homosexuality to be an abomination.

Jesus clearly teaches that we are not to treat one sin as more greivious than another.

So homosexuality should be treated like any other sin; but it should NOT be condoned or participated in.

 

[angelsonthemove4u]

Black is a race , homosexuality is a sinful act or condition.... now tell us the difference.

 

[crossnote]

Black is a race , homosexuality is a sinful act or condition.... now tell us the difference.

Since eyesonly has been banned it may be a little difficult for him to say.

 

[kaylagrl]

Holy racist people, what the heck. the muslims in the above post were only said to have stated their belief and never shown to have acted on it, whereas the christian people did;
when the muslims are shown to have acted on the same principal and not fined as the Christians were, then by all means, you have a case.

Till then, pick up the good book and ask the lord for forgiveness for your bigotry and racism.

God bless

Well I had a good response to that but it seems yet again today Im talking to someone banned. Man why dont people slow their roll. Seems people are all mouth these days. Everyone talk tolerance and they are the most intolerant out there. SMH

 

[MarcR]

Neither business owners nor anyone else has a right to inquire of anyone whether they are homosexual any more than we would try to screen out blasphemers or thieves or perjurers from our associations, before it became a problem.

The principle here is that while government may legalize what I consider to be sin; they should not be able to force me to participate in what I consider sin, as long as I can demonstrate it to be a long held religious belief.

 

[psychomom]

Since eyesonly has been banned it may be a little difficult for him to say.

eyesonly has been banned....but that doesn't mean he isn't still among us.

 

[3Scoreand10]

Neither business owners nor anyone else has a right to inquire of anyone whether they are homosexual any more than we would try to screen out blasphemers or thieves or perjurers from our associations, before it became a problem.

The principle here is that while government may legalize what I consider to be sin; they should not be able to force me to participate in what I consider sin, as long as I can demonstrate it to be a long held religious belief.

Unfortunately Marc, that is what they are doing. The rights of evil trumps the rights of those who worship a rightous God.

 

[AngelFrog]

This family tried to raise funds on GoFundMe.Com. But after a homosexual found out and contacted activist groups and pressured GFM, GFM shut down the page. Allowing the bakers to keep the funds accrued to that point. Citing rules of the forum and the laws of any given state that finds someone guilty of an offense being precluded from raising monies to pay fines for said offense.
But that excuse to placate the homosexuals and thwart the Christians is simply a lie.

[h=1]GoFundMe Shuts Down Fundraiser for Christian Bakers, Claims Money Was for ‘Illegal Purpose’[/h]
(Sic)"...“The GoFundMe account that was set up to help our family was shut down by the administrators of GoFundMe because they claimed it was raising money for an illegal purpose,” Melissa Klein said that she had been told by the outlet. “We have told GoFundMe that the money is simply going to be used to help our family, and there is no legitimate breach of their terms and conditions.”


Others state that a number of campaigns may be found on the site that seek to raise funds surrounding those fighting criminal convictions."

 

[Grandpa]

we are missing the greater picture to this issue. this is a legal business who serves its goods to the public who has refused service to people based on their sexual orientation, be from religious beliefs or other doesn't matter.

if this is allowed to happen, what is next, are business owners who serve to the public allowed to refuse people because they are black, based on their personal beliefs religious or otherwise.
will they be able to refuse people who are jewish, because they aren't considered saved.
will they be able to refuse anyone who isn't christian,

where would it stop, we need to view this in a reasonable way. sure they are allowed their religious beliefs, but their are laws created to prevent public discrimination like this.

people think, well i would just go to another bakery, but why should they. why should they be ostrisized in what is supposed to be a free country.
and are there any Christians who are upset with this, ever been denied access to anything based soley on the fact that they are Christians, and if we haven't then we have no idea what the feeling is like.

we need to step back and look at the whole ramifications.

God bless

People can't choose to be black or any other color. They just are.

People can choose their sexual orientation. So what is being discriminated against isn't people just for being people, its peoples choices that are offensive to other people.

Let's say a Nazi went into a Jewish bakery and asked for something really offensive against Jews on a cake and the Jewish bakery refused. You probably wouldn't be taking the side of the Nazi on that one. Would you say the poor Nazi can't help it, he was born to be a Nazi and the bakery owes him 125,000 for his embarassment???

Let's say a Klansman went into a black owned bakery and asked for something really offensive against Black people on a cake and the Black people refused. You probably wouldn't take the side of the KKK on that one either.

I don't know why people can't use their brains. This is tyranny, plain and simple. Freedom of religion...

But as the OP says, that is an illusion and a lie.

 

[Yet]

Eyesonly may have eyes only but cannot see! No sense in arguing with a wall.