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The Law still remains, spiritually discerned, by the Spirit within each Believer, as the very Law is written upon our hearts. Each Word of the Word remains as the Word, and those in Christ do not view any of the Word as useless or of any less active value in teaching and rebuking and encouraging towards righteousness.
No. Peter was told in a vision to eat unclean animals (Which is a violation of OT Law). So how exactly are you to obey the Old Law when the Commands in the New Testament say something different? Do you still believe we must sacrifice animals to a priest in a temple according to the Law?

As for this verses, in relation to free will: mere sophistry.
Choice and free will are not the same. I won't say that free will doesn't exist, but also will not support such humanism.
Yes. Choice and free will is the same thing. Unless of course you think every choice we make is not our own choice but it is some other being or thing manipulating us (Which if that was the case, then man could not be held accountable for his actions at a Judgment). For a choice is not a real choice unless one can actually make that choice themselves.

I mean, there are obviously things we can do nothing about. We cannot change death or the consequences of sin. We cannot choose to fly like superman or to shoot laser beams from our eyes at will. Just because we have predetermined perimeters upon our being does not negate the fact that we can still choose between life and death with each one having it's own unique consequences (Deuteronomy 30:19).

When Satan seduced Eve to buy into the lie that she would not die spiritually by eating of the wrong tree, she made a choice. Yes, it was a predetermined choice. But the choice still existed none the less! If she refused Satan and convinced Adam to do the same, then we would not be in the sinful world that we are living in now. God did not force Eve to eat of the wrong tree, nor did God prevent Eve in eating of it either. He gave her the free will choice to choose one way or the other.

For example:

If I put a tiger in a super tight cage to just fit it's body, he is not free to move about or even bend it's neck to get food to eat. He is trapped and confined to a very tight space. But if I put the tiger in a 100 acre land that was fenced in with wild game to feed upon, then he is free to move about naturally. Yes, he is still in a controlled area, but he is now free to move. The tiger has the free choice to now move or to not move of it's own will. But when it was in the cage, it did not have that choice.

Therefore, in conclusion:

God does not take away our free will to either accept Him or to reject Him. It is not an illusion. One choice will lead a person to Heaven and the other choice will lead that person to Hell. God does not force people to go to Heaven nor does He force people to go to Hell. It is that simple. If God did force people into Heaven and Hell against their free will, then the Judgment would be a farce (It would serve no real purpose).

As for the first bit, it seems that you assumed the end of my quote to be worldly, rather than giving any benefit of doubt. That is a "judge now, prove it later" mentality.
So you are saying that you did not quote the "worldly statement"? Why did you trail off? What were the words you were going to say instead?
 
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This doesn't belong on this thread and I won't discuss this with you on the appropriate thread.
He likes to bait and switch...especially when his doctrine is getting hammered by the truth!
 
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It's what happens when a wool covered wolf devours too many sheep.
They outgrow the facade, and the fur sticks out of the wool.
 
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Ah. The personal attacks. Thank you. I will rejoice in God my Savior.

Anyways, may the Lord bless you both; And may His love shine upon you this fine night. I will be praying for you both.
 

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I set myself up
I've no one to blame but my
Self pity is useless
I'll not entertain your
Sickness, sickness

Half truths, deceit
Forced in, not God
Reject

Reject all lies, reject all lies
Reject all, reject all lies


Rebuke, take hold
Intrepid Spirit of God
Rebuke, take hold
Authority of God


Reject all lies, reject all lies
Reject all, reject all lies


♪♪

They make ready their tongue
like a bow, to shoot lies;
it is not by truth
that they triumph in the land.

(Jeremiah 9:3)
 
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I set myself up
I've no one to blame but my
Self pity is useless
I'll not entertain your
Sickness, sickness

Half truths, deceit
Forced in, not God
Reject

Reject all lies, reject all lies
Reject all, reject all lies


Rebuke, take hold
Intrepid Spirit of God
Rebuke, take hold
Authority of God


Reject all lies, reject all lies
Reject all, reject all lies


♪♪

They make ready their tongue
like a bow, to shoot lies;
it is not by truth
that they triumph in the land.

(Jeremiah 9:3)
reject all the LIIIIIEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!
*breakdown
 
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I wish Jason would talk about his.....
I dunno lactose intolerance even

Lol...anything

I know I know...
the ignore list rollseyes lol
 
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DC probably sayin....

Git in da bed skylove. Lol

Im gone :)
Im sorry
 
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Really? Is this supposed to truly be Godly music?

[VIDEO=youtube;jmTei83m8hU]youtu.be/jmTei83m8hU[[/VIDEO]

Again, it sounds like a demon screaming along with the clashing of noise; This is definitely not God honoring music.
 
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And why does God say He never knew them? Ever read Ezekiel 18? It says in that chapter that if a man turns from his righteous ways and does evil all his righteousness will not be remembered. In other words, the man that used to be righteous before God will no longer be in rememberance before God if he turns from his righteous ways and starts to do evil. It will be as if he never knew them. The reverse is true if a sinful man turns from his wicked ways and then turns towards righteousness (If they ask God to forgive them). God will then no longer remember their past iniquities.
Yeah under the O.T......I am under grace and the N.T....maybe you should trust Jesus and come on line with the truth!
 

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Why was it worldly?
Yes, a saint can stop sinning. (I assume you agree. The question is: have you?)
Free will is not a Biblical topic, but a worldly idea and philosophy. I don't discuss things that are worldly.

What?!! Since when has free will been kicked off the platform? I have always concluded from Scripture there are three wills. three lives, and three laws. We ourselves are here. Satan is in us, and God is in us. The mix of how they formulate together is in our hands of free will. To not use our free will is to make the decision to adopt Satans influence and rule, to use our will toward God and live by the life Spirit, it is He who adopts us by His will. for us to follow the lineage of sanctifications progression we have to use our will to proceed forward as He finishes His work in us, again His will. Of coarse Satan is always near by to disturb and destroy our will to follow Gods will. Thus Satans will is to destroy us and His saints. This sounds all very willful to me.
 

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Really? Is this supposed to truly be Godly music?
the righteous hate lies (Proverbs 6:16-19, 12:2, 13:5, Exodus 20:16, etc.)

you disagree?

anyone who is ardent for the truth is hostile to lies.

if you are offended by the musicianship, why don't you show us a spiritual song that expresses godly hatred for lies in a style that is appropriate for such righteous anger, and meets your standards?
 
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Yes, there are styles of Christian music that can unacceptable and abhorrent to the Lord.

An excerpt from Angelica Zambrano's third trip to heaven and hell.

The LORD said “I will show you another sin that takes place on the alter of churches. It is regarding music.” The Lord showed me people playing and listening to rock music, rap music and reggae music in the alter at churches. This displeases the LORD. The word of God says He wants us to worship Him in Spirit and Truth. He does not say He seeks for those who will rap for Him in spirit and in truth.
We moved to another location in Hell and I saw a young christian man who was singing christian rap or reggae style music. I asked the LORD ‘Why is he here? LORD I really want to know why is he here? Why is he singing?”. At this time I was remembering how many musicians are in Hell; Selena, Michael Jackson, and many other musicians are burning in Hell. I asked “LORD did he sing in the church?”. He replied “Yes daughter he sang at church”. The LORD did not say anything else after that statement.
I began speaking with this young man. He said “My name is Mark. I am in this place because I did not worship the LORD . I sang rap style music instead. I would sing these songs at church but I did not like to pray, I had no prayer life. I did not like to seek God’s presence. My purpose in singing these songs was to attract young people to church. I wanted gang members to come to church, I didn’t realise it is God who must draw them. It is He alone who deals with there hearts.”
I asked “How long have you been in this place? and is there any other reason you are here?”. He said “4 years. Yes I had a lot of pride, I am also here because of that. Here the demons torment me and continually laugh at me they say ‘Worldly music is an instrument that we use to bring young people to this place.‘ Mark was completely bound while he talked with me. His arms and body were tied up with snakes.


He would cry and ask me “Can you help me?”
I said “No Mark, I would if I could but I cannot”.
He replied “I know I will never get out of here. Look at me, I am in torment. When I died I fell into a tunnel. After I descended from the tunnel my body exploded as I landed in Hell. Worms came out of my body and I have remained in torment until now. I have become disfigured and the flames of Hell continue to burn me. I cant stand it anymore. The demons say this is my kingdom and that satan is my god”.
I said “I understand, but Mark on Earth you had a chance to repent.”
He cried and said “Tell the young people to worship Jesus. Tell the whole church to worship. God seeks true worshippers!” After Mark had spoken a flame came between us. He became engulfed by the flames as soon as I stepped away. While we had been speaking the flames had only risen to his waist, after his last statement his torment continued as before.

The LORD said “Daughter, many people think that with certain music and certain programs they are able to attract the world and reach the gang members and drug addicts. No! It is not men that bring conviction of sin, it is the Holy Spirit that deals with and convinces man of his sins. It is I who touches hearts. It is I who deals with the hearts of man, I alone am able to save. Men think they are the saviours.”
This is what the LORD told me. I cried. This was so difficult for me, it is still difficult. I think that if you are listening to this type of music you must STOP. This is between you and God though. As I fulfil God’s will in telling you, I am no longer responsible because I told you what God said. If you want to accept it, accept it. If you want to reject it, reject it, I fulfil my responsibility. This is something He required of me. If I don’t obey Him, Hell awaits (Ezekiel 3,16-21). I don’t want to go to that place & end up in torment, I have already visited there 3 times, its more real than life in Earth. As we left Mark’s cell he began to blaspheme. The LORD told me ‘When we leave this place tell My church to worship Me in Spirit and in Truth”.
 
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Yes, there are styles of Christian music that can unacceptable and abhorrent to the Lord.

An excerpt from Angelica Zambrano's third trip to heaven and hell.

The LORD said “I will show you another sin that takes place on the alter of churches. It is regarding music.” The Lord showed me people playing and listening to rock music, rap music and reggae music in the alter at churches. This displeases the LORD. The word of God says He wants us to worship Him in Spirit and Truth. He does not say He seeks for those who will rap for Him in spirit and in truth.
We moved to another location in Hell and I saw a young christian man who was singing christian rap or reggae style music. I asked the LORD ‘Why is he here? LORD I really want to know why is he here? Why is he singing?”. At this time I was remembering how many musicians are in Hell; Selena, Michael Jackson, and many other musicians are burning in Hell. I asked “LORD did he sing in the church?”. He replied “Yes daughter he sang at church”. The LORD did not say anything else after that statement.
I began speaking with this young man. He said “My name is Mark. I am in this place because I did not worship the LORD . I sang rap style music instead. I would sing these songs at church but I did not like to pray, I had no prayer life. I did not like to seek God’s presence. My purpose in singing these songs was to attract young people to church. I wanted gang members to come to church, I didn’t realise it is God who must draw them. It is He alone who deals with there hearts.”
I asked “How long have you been in this place? and is there any other reason you are here?”. He said “4 years. Yes I had a lot of pride, I am also here because of that. Here the demons torment me and continually laugh at me they say ‘Worldly music is an instrument that we use to bring young people to this place.‘ Mark was completely bound while he talked with me. His arms and body were tied up with snakes.


He would cry and ask me “Can you help me?”
I said “No Mark, I would if I could but I cannot”.
He replied “I know I will never get out of here. Look at me, I am in torment. When I died I fell into a tunnel. After I descended from the tunnel my body exploded as I landed in Hell. Worms came out of my body and I have remained in torment until now. I have become disfigured and the flames of Hell continue to burn me. I cant stand it anymore. The demons say this is my kingdom and that satan is my god”.
I said “I understand, but Mark on Earth you had a chance to repent.”
He cried and said “Tell the young people to worship Jesus. Tell the whole church to worship. God seeks true worshippers!” After Mark had spoken a flame came between us. He became engulfed by the flames as soon as I stepped away. While we had been speaking the flames had only risen to his waist, after his last statement his torment continued as before.

The LORD said “Daughter, many people think that with certain music and certain programs they are able to attract the world and reach the gang members and drug addicts. No! It is not men that bring conviction of sin, it is the Holy Spirit that deals with and convinces man of his sins. It is I who touches hearts. It is I who deals with the hearts of man, I alone am able to save. Men think they are the saviours.”
This is what the LORD told me. I cried. This was so difficult for me, it is still difficult. I think that if you are listening to this type of music you must STOP. This is between you and God though. As I fulfil God’s will in telling you, I am no longer responsible because I told you what God said. If you want to accept it, accept it. If you want to reject it, reject it, I fulfil my responsibility. This is something He required of me. If I don’t obey Him, Hell awaits (Ezekiel 3,16-21). I don’t want to go to that place & end up in torment, I have already visited there 3 times, its more real than life in Earth. As we left Mark’s cell he began to blaspheme. The LORD told me ‘When we leave this place tell My church to worship Me in Spirit and in Truth”.
I would be very careful accepting this as " Testimony ". These people are selling books and a lot of them get caught in their lie or the guilt gets to them and they admit they lied
 
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I wish it would stop. Wishful thinking, I know. *sigh*
This guy Jason has done nothing but attack Christian Rockers then boo hoo when He receives the same! Do unto others. By the way Magenta, any thoughts on 1 Cor 14:26-28? If not I understand
 
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There is a difference in slandering someone by calling them a wolf versus pointing out a particular sin to people (who do not believe it is wrong). One is slander and the other is correction. One is done out of attack and the other is done so as to save their soul because one cares for them. For I have provided Scripture that does not make for an allowance for one to listen to such music. Oh, and I do not believe the testimony above ~ BTW. There are many of these claims of people going to Heaven and Hell, but this is a problem because there is no words added after the close of Revelation. God's Word is complete and it is the only authority we have for all things spiritual.
 
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[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAuUOpAcpvw[/video]
 
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Is Christian Pop Rock evil?
I recently watched the movie "Gods not dead" and at the end the band Newsboys were holding a concert. They are a very famous Christian pop rock band. I listened to some of their songs on youtube and loved them. Some of their music is a little loud but even then you can still HEAR the lyrics and decipher what they are saying. I fall asleep now listening to their music and in no way does it make me aggressive, quite the contrary. It makes me feel at peace and thankful I found Jesus.