Christians and military service

[nathan3]

Better Christians in control of the Military then atheist .

God lead the armies of Israel, that's written.
God has armies in heaven also: angels went and will war , that's written.

We fight physical wars here, and we also fight spiritual wars. It just comes with the territory.

People get confused about that commandment rendered in English " kill ". The hand written copies its taken from, in Hebrew is more specific : the Commandment is not to Murder. When in war, there is a difference between murder and killing.


And its just the way people are, there are bad people out there as the past years have shown, that will murder, and take away rights, and freedoms, Unless, they are killed , first.

 

[LClark]

also 15:12.

We fight physical wars here, and we also fight spiritual wars. It just comes with the territory.

People get confused about that commandment rendered in English " kill "..

I, agree, that 'kill' is not the basis on which to discuss this subject (but bloodshed is). Instead, we follow Jesus' commands to love our enemies, to not repay evil for evil, etc., and Scripture's clear instructions in Romans...that is what goes with the territory of following Jesus as faithful soldiers of His Kingdom.

 

[Godson13]

Joining the military makes you a pawn of your superior officers and a pawn of the commander of the armed forces. If the commander in chief is waging a war for the cause of God, then may be, just may be joinining the military may not be considered as a sin. But what if the commander of the armed forces i.e the president is not a true christian and he wages a personal war and he orders you to go and shoot people? Ideally Jesus Christ wants you to be a pacifist, my advice to you is that you should leave the military. The military is a symbol of violence and God hates violence irrespective of whether or not the violence is being used to defend your country. You have no right to take anyones life but the military allows you to do this on a mass scale under the pretext of 'defending your country. Your allegiance should be with God and not your country. As a technician in the military you are providing support for violence. You are fixing planes that are going to be used to bomb people. Just to be on the safe side, I advise you to leave the military. No true Christian should sign up to kill people.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Joining the military makes you a pawn of your superior officers and a pawn of the commander of the armed forces. If the commander in chief is waging a war for the cause of God, then may be, just may be joinining the military may not be considered as a sin. But what if the commander of the armed forces i.e the president is not a true christian and he wages a personal war and he orders you to go and shoot people? Ideally Jesus Christ wants you to be a pacifist, my advice to you is that you should leave the military. The military is a symbol of violence and God hates violence irrespective of whether or not the violence is being used to defend your country. You have no right to take anyones life but the military allows you to do this on a mass scale under the pretext of 'defending your country. Your allegiance should be with God and not your country. As a technician in the military you are providing support for violence. You are fixing planes that are going to be used to bomb people. Just to be on the safe side, I advise you to leave the military. No true Christian should sign up to kill people.

For anyone to say Christians should be a pacifist is ignoring over half the bible. Jesus is God. same God that commanded the Israelites to go to war.
In Psalm 144:1 David says
"Blessed be the Lord my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:"

Is God not also the same yesterday, today and forever or did He just change his mind on that?

In Matthew 8 Jesus talked with the centurion(soldier). Not ONCE did he denouce his career. Not once did he tell soldier to get out of the military. As a matter of fact Jesus praised him for his faith. Verse 10 Jesus said the centurion had more faith than anyone he had met.

So for you to say Jesus wants us to be a pacifist is completely ignoring important scriptures.

Ecc 3 also tells is there is a season for everything under Heaven. Including a time to kill, and a time for war.

You also mention military leaders. Well, normally the military leader is the leader of the country. Like
President Obama is commander and chief. If you question your countries authority are you going to just leave the country and look for another leader? I don't know many people that can just pack up and leave like that. Or are you going to obey his potential ungodly demands?

 

[CS1]

Well after 20 year of military service and two wars that I have been in, I can say this. War is the repercussion of sin. The violent take by force. we are in a war people daily Eph chp 6 talks about a battle more real than we even know. we are to fight the good fight of faith. now war is too done in the Flesh and we maybe called to fight in one we do know That many wars and rumors of wars happen today and will continue to happen.

 

[Cobus]

The military is the only thing that will keep Iran from nuking hundreds of thousands of Christians when they can.

The day I have to put the fate of Christianity in the hands of ALL the World's Armies, is the day I declare my God hopeless....

Oh Johny boy are you confused or what? If God does not stop Iran, NO ARMY WILL... If God does not stop evil NOTHING will.... How many armies does God have on this planet? Right now. How many soldiers does God have on earth today? I will tell you.... NOT ONE! Ont a single soldier un war against flesh.....NOT ONE!

Jesus said if the Kingdom of God was of this world HIS PEOPLE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT WAT AND FIGHTING, but IT IS NOT OF THIS WORLD.... How cam I fight IRAN to get to heaven? Must I kill 1, 12 or 120 before I pass to go to heaven? I been in the army but I was young and knew NOTHING about God.

When Peter chopped off the ear of the servent JEsus fixed the ear immediately to stop the persecution against Peter. And Jesus said... Do you NOT think my Father will send 12 ligions of angles to come save me? That is my army, EVERYONE is with my Father. You can keeo your special forces and armies, ONE of my Father's angels will kick their behinds ANYDAY.

So I do as my Father tells me to do... I fight the lies that makes His Word as evil as the Qouran and all other Satan Fables... I fight a spiritual waefare against the evil spirits and princilpalities of this world. Like governments that think they stand for God. But they are mere pawns playin in Satan's hands.

Look how politicians lie, and say many words but all meaningless..... Nothing EVER comes good from fighting... The Bible says this.... From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
Jas 4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

 

[Ace85]

Ecclesiastes 3 is a verse that I hold to. Notice that it says there's a time to kill and there's also a time for war.
There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:[SUP]2 [/SUP] a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.

 

[LovePink]

It seems that government has the ability to do things that Christians do not. For example, the government/legal system biblically has the right to avenge.

However, the Bible says that Christians do NOT have the right to avenge- that we are to turn the other cheek, feed our enemies, and pray for them.

It appears, from this, that Christians and the government don't have a whole lot of common ground to walk on.

No, you cannot take God out of the design of the governmental system... because you cannot take God's Christians out of this world. We vote & we pay taxes, we are a voice of justice and hope. Genesis 9:5-6 stands for a truth as well as Romans 13:1-4 kjv.

The bible says a lot of things, ask God and move by faith within the integrity of your heart. Honesty is the best policy.

Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ also commanded this by the Spirit of God, "if any would not work, neither should he eat."

 

[LClark]

For anyone to say Christians should be a pacifist is ignoring over half the bible. Jesus is God. same God that commanded the Israelites to go to war.

It's not ignoring half the Bible, It is, rather, reading it in context

Remember how the Israelites were delivered from Egypt? They were delivered not by the sword but by the miracles of God.

And the same promise was given before they entered the Promised Land the first time:

Then Moses encouraged them, saying. “The LORD your God who goes before you will himself fight for you, just has he did for you in Egypt before your eyes” (Deut. 1:30 RSV). He reminds them of God’s continued fatherly care, experienced in the wilderness. This was no call to arms. It was a call to claim God’s promise for them in its fullness. They did not have to raise the sword and again know the pain and suffering of war. Moses is explicit about that when he calls their attention to miracles “just as... in Egypt.” God would again triumph in His own way, and just as in Egypt, they would be totally immune from any hazards. The people even had an indication of what was to happen. A plague of hornets had been promised, and they knew from their own personal experiences in Egypt the power of a plague. But they refused to go in. The fitting punishment for this refusal was that those who had seen God’s power at work in Egypt would never enter. --from Chapter 3, Options: Our Choice

 

[LClark]

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In Psalm 144:1 David says
"Blessed be the Lord my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:"

And this was God's word to David: "the word of the Lord came to me, saying, ‘You have shed much blood and have made great wars; you shall not build a house for My name, because you have shed much blood on the earth in My sight." 1 Chron. 22

Now read the NT where the house of the Lord is not a building but a people called to be his priests.

 

[Elizabeth619]

It's not ignoring half the Bible, It is, rather, reading it in context

Remember how the Israelites were delivered from Egypt? They were delivered not by the sword but by the miracles of God.

And the same promise was given before they entered the Promised Land the first time:

Then Moses encouraged them, saying. “The LORD your God who goes before you will himself fight for you, just has he did for you in Egypt before your eyes” (Deut. 1:30 RSV). He reminds them of God’s continued fatherly care, experienced in the wilderness. This was no call to arms. It was a call to claim God’s promise for them in its fullness. They did not have to raise the sword and again know the pain and suffering of war. Moses is explicit about that when he calls their attention to miracles “just as... in Egypt.” God would again triumph in His own way, and just as in Egypt, they would be totally immune from any hazards. The people even had an indication of what was to happen. A plague of hornets had been promised, and they knew from their own personal experiences in Egypt the power of a plague. But they refused to go in. The fitting punishment for this refusal was that those who had seen God’s power at work in Egypt would never enter. --from Chapter 3, Options: Our Choice

You seem to forget the wars the Moses fought after they left Egypt. Remember when he held his hands up and as long as his hand were up we was winning?

 

[Elizabeth619]

And this was God's word to David: "the word of the Lord came to me, saying, ‘You have shed much blood and have made great wars; you shall not build a house for My name, because you have shed much blood on the earth in My sight." 1 Chron. 22

Now read the NT where the house of the Lord is not a building but a people called to be his priests.

This doesn't say Davids wars weren't justified. The passage is saying that David is a man of war, and He wants a man of peace to build the temple. God did not refuse him as a punishment, but it was part of His plan.
God instructed many warriors into war(Moses, Abraham, ect.). He wouldn't turn around and renounce them after telling them to fight.

 

[Cobus]

Elizabeth, David did not have the PEACE Jesus offers. David did not have Jesus as an example. David did not know Jesus was the END of the war and lusts in the flesh.

David lived when the war was still against flesh and blood. David did not know Jesus! David did not have the CROSS of Jesus. Elizabeth, and all war advicates..... You will ALWAYS have an excuse to have a war going. ALWAYS... Just like sin... People will always have an EXCUSE for why they sin. War and fightings are SIN!


For me not to reproof you in the Word of God that God does not want ANY fighting or war on earth, and HE will keep the peace where HE WATS IT, is just as bad as you taking the life of another man in your belief that you may. I have to show you James that says that fighting and wars are in your members (FLESH) they are NOT FROM GOD. NOT ONE fighting or war today comes from God!

If I have a son in the Army I will HAVE to justify the Army.... If I have a son that is gay, I will have to justify sodomy, if I have a son that is a murderer, I will have to justify murder.... Man are we getting more and more twisted by EVIL.


I ask this.... God says a little leaven leaveneth whole lump, what is the leaven we should REMOVE so we can have NEW BREAD, that is UNLEAVENED????? Is is not ALL SIN? There is NO justification for sin commiting... only for sin REPENTED! As long as we justify war and fighting for ANY reason, God has NO PART in our lives.


Why did Jesus not join the army? Why did Jesus NOT call the army God has ready for Him? Why did Jesus not start a single fight or war? Why did Jesus say our struggle is NOT AGAINST flesh and blood? Yet the war people fight is a LOT OF BLOODSHED? Oh are we a big lump of leavened dough or what?

 

[Elizabeth619]

Elizabeth, David did not have the PEACE Jesus offers. David did not have Jesus as an example. David did not know Jesus was the END of the war and lusts in the flesh.

David lived when the war was still against flesh and blood. David did not know Jesus! David did not have the CROSS of Jesus. Elizabeth, and all war advicates..... You will ALWAYS have an excuse to have a war going. ALWAYS... Just like sin... People will always have an EXCUSE for why they sin. War and fightings are SIN!


For me not to reproof you in the Word of God that God does not want ANY fighting or war on earth, and HE will keep the peace where HE WATS IT, is just as bad as you taking the life of another man in your belief that you may. I have to show you James that says that fighting and wars are in your members (FLESH) they are NOT FROM GOD. NOT ONE fighting or war today comes from God!

If I have a son in the Army I will HAVE to justify the Army.... If I have a son that is gay, I will have to justify sodomy, if I have a son that is a murderer, I will have to justify murder.... Man are we getting more and more twisted by EVIL.


I ask this.... God says a little leaven leaveneth whole lump, what is the leaven we should REMOVE so we can have NEW BREAD, that is UNLEAVENED????? Is is not ALL SIN? There is NO justification for sin commiting... only for sin REPENTED! As long as we justify war and fighting for ANY reason, God has NO PART in our lives.


Why did Jesus not join the army? Why did Jesus NOT call the army God has ready for Him? Why did Jesus not start a single fight or war? Why did Jesus say our struggle is NOT AGAINST flesh and blood? Yet the war people fight is a LOT OF BLOODSHED? Oh are we a big lump of leavened dough or what?

Where in the bible does it say to surrender your family and friends in the event of a deadly attack? Tell me.


Not once did Jesus condemn a soldier yet you and others do. He even told a parable about a king going to war.
God doesn't like bloodshed. That's obvious. In a fallen world it will happen. God knows this. He also knows Christians have to live in this fallen world and we are commanded to take care of each other. Time will come when we may have to fight to protect each other as well. Wars are a result of sin. How can you fight sin when you do nothing, and let the evil take over and kill those you love?
God doesn't think fondly of the cowardly either.

 

[Ecclesiastik]

No, you cannot take God out of the design of the governmental system... because you cannot take God's Christians out of this world. We vote & we pay taxes, we are a voice of justice and hope. Genesis 9:5-6 stands for a truth as well as Romans 13:1-4 kjv.

The bible says a lot of things, ask God and move by faith within the integrity of your heart. Honesty is the best policy.

Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ also commanded this by the Spirit of God, "if any would not work, neither should he eat."

You cannot take Christians out of the world but the Lord can take them away from being of the same substance of the world. Think of the early church's persecution. They willingly went to horrible tortures for the glorious name of Jesus Christ. The only time they were rescued from these horrible deaths were through the questionable hands/motives of Constantine. It was not through a great man of God but through a great politician. Christianity thrived before the wars of Constantine but withered under the corruption after people started compromising with him and each other for the desire of comfort, safety, and etc.

Christianity is not a very sustainable system through worldly means. It calls for self-denial, martyrdoms, and persecutions.

If a man doesn't work, he shouldn't eat. Laziness is not a good thing. However, be careful of what you work at doing.

So far the only justification I have received for military service has been compromise and attempts to say that the Old Testament isn't invalid because of the New Testament. While it is true that the OT is not invalid, you have to realize that Jesus did set a higher standard. "Ye have heard it said...'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth' But I say...."

How come people only forget verses when they are inconvenient for them? How about we serve God even when it is inconvenient for us? How about we give up our worldly means of safety and comfort if they are not in accordance with the will of God? How about we mean it when we sing "Give me that Old Time Religion!" How about we mean it when we say that we are followers of Christ.

 

[Cobus]

Where in the bible does it say to surrender your family and friends in the event of a deadly attack? Tell me.


Not once did Jesus condemn a soldier yet you and others do. He even told a parable about a king going to war.
God doesn't like bloodshed. That's obvious. In a fallen world it will happen. God knows this. He also knows Christians have to live in this fallen world and we are commanded to take care of each other. Time will come when we may have to fight to protect each other as well. Wars are a result of sin. How can you fight sin when you do nothing, and let the evil take over and kill those you love?
God doesn't think fondly of the cowardly either.

How did Jesus fight back, how many did Jesus kill to protect His people? How many did Stephen kill and when did He fight back... Did god not say they will kill us and if we lose our life FOR HIS NAME SAKE, we are blessed with the Spirit of Truth. So you say Jesus did not condemn a soldier.. .here HE DID.... For they that take the sword shall perish by sword.... Who takes up swords but soldiers? Oh my dear friend, ALL SOLDIERS shall parish by the sword... PERISH not live PERISH...

Coward? So Jesus is a coward becasue he did not fight back... Look what god's word says about evil and standing up to evil...

Beth what happened to this? .... Matthew 5:... Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

This is how we should behave... SHOW ME THE WAR IN THIS? PLEASE! Show me war in the new TESTAMENT... THERE is but not from God!
God says RESIST NOT EVIL PEOPLE!!! You say KILL THEM... see who is your god? Not the Father in heaven...Father in heaven say, if they want your coat give him your cloak as well.... WOW! Not kill him and keep your coeat and cloak.... WOW!

 

[Rockbysea]

Evil wears many labels and the Christian label has been its most popular label. Many are in serious trouble because they identify good or evil by labels and they identify themselves with labels. For such have been used throughout history as canon fodder by the ruling powers that control their simplistic minds.

Francisco Franco, a Knight of the Order of Christ, dictator of Spain from 1939 till 1975, a Christian… this is what he had to say about Hitler on May 3, 1945 the day of his death:

"Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending Christianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. Over his mortal remains stands his victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory".

Many will be unpleasantly surprised to see that history truly does repeat itself. The players have not changed and neither have the labels.

 

[Elizabeth619]

How did Jesus fight back, how many did Jesus kill to protect His people? How many did Stephen kill and when did He fight back... Did god not say they will kill us and if we lose our life FOR HIS NAME SAKE, we are blessed with the Spirit of Truth. So you say Jesus did not condemn a soldier.. .here HE DID.... For they that take the sword shall perish by sword.... Who takes up swords but soldiers? Oh my dear friend, ALL SOLDIERS shall parish by the sword... PERISH not live PERISH...

Coward? So Jesus is a coward becasue he did not fight back... Look what god's word says about evil and standing up to evil...

Beth what happened to this? .... Matthew 5:... Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

This is how we should behave... SHOW ME THE WAR IN THIS? PLEASE! Show me war in the new TESTAMENT... THERE is but not from God!
God says RESIST NOT EVIL PEOPLE!!! You say KILL THEM... see who is your god? Not the Father in heaven...Father in heaven say, if they want your coat give him your cloak as well.... WOW! Not kill him and keep your coeat and cloak.... WOW!

Soldier's weren't t he only ones who had a sword. BTW, it was Peter's sword that Jesus was talking about when Jesus told him to put it away. Peter wasn't a soldier. Jesus also told his apostles to buy a sword as well.

Jesus couldn't fight back when he was arrested because he knew what he had to do. He went willingly when he was arrested. He was being punished for OUR crimes. So he was arrested. He was innocent, but knew what he had to do. He took the punishment WE deserved. So twisting my words saying Jesus was a coward is foolish. Jesus was brave. He was courageous. He died a brutal death. A violent one. So we could live.

When Jesus said "those who draw the sword die by the sword" he was reminding Peter they were outnumbered. Peter could have fought, but they all would have died, and he promised not to lose any of the disciples.

Also, if you notice in Matthew 5 it is referring mainly to civil disagreements. Suing(vs 40) is a civil matter. None of those passages are dealing with war. You even stated there is no war mentioned in these passages. So why use those to prove your point?

I also never said kill them. Never once did I advocate killing anyone. All I have said is defending oneself, and fighting to protect others. I also said soldiers should do their job honestly, and with respect and dignity. YOU are the one saying I advocate killing, and how dare you say my God is not the Father in Heaven. You've gone way overboard. That is a very unrighteous judgment you gave. You do NOT and never will have that type of authority.

Do not EVER address me again on this forum.

 

[LovePink]

How come people only forget verses when they are inconvenient for them? How about we serve God even when it is inconvenient for us? How about we give up our worldly means of safety and comfort if they are not in accordance with the will of God?

You asked. If you don't want to see, then don't ask. You are the one making the choice for yourself, either way you go, but don't hold the rest of us, Christians, to your slant. Military services are needful. It is even in the ranks of the angels. Now I have to go read the op, goodness, if I recall it was asking Christians beliefs, faith and opinions of military service by fellow Christians. One last verse for your first sentence statement, yeah, lest we forget the whole of the matter in all fairness.


The words of our Lord and Savior, 36*Then said he unto them, BUT NOW, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Just to name two, my grandma served as a nurse in the army, I am particularly fond of her. My grandpa is buried in the Los Angeles VA Cemetery, I love him. They felt their service to our country was a duty & an honor. My great grandpa was the chief of police over thirty years. I like authority, I like safe streets & protecting more than just our own. I think the reservists & the national guard are awesome for their part, too. The military does more than wage war. Move by faith Ecclesiastik, let others do likewise.

 

[Cobus]

Soldier's weren't t he only ones who had a sword. BTW, it was Peter's sword that Jesus was talking about when Jesus told him to put it away. Peter wasn't a soldier. Jesus also told his apostles to buy a sword as well.

Jesus couldn't fight back when he was arrested because he knew what he had to do. He went willingly when he was arrested. He was being punished for OUR crimes. So he was arrested. He was innocent, but knew what he had to do. He took the punishment WE deserved. So twisting my words saying Jesus was a coward is foolish. Jesus was brave. He was courageous. He died a brutal death. A violent one. So we could live.

When Jesus said "those who draw the sword die by the sword" he was reminding Peter they were outnumbered. Peter could have fought, but they all would have died, and he promised not to lose any of the disciples.

Also, if you notice in Matthew 5 it is referring mainly to civil disagreements. Suing(vs 40) is a civil matter. None of those passages are dealing with war. You even stated there is no war mentioned in these passages. So why use those to prove your point?

I also never said kill them. Never once did I advocate killing anyone. All I have said is defending oneself, and fighting to protect others. I also said soldiers should do their job honestly, and with respect and dignity. YOU are the one saying I advocate killing, and how dare you say my God is not the Father in Heaven. You've gone way overboard. That is a very unrighteous judgment you gave. You do NOT and never will have that type of authority.

Do not EVER address me again on this forum.

I wil ladress your teaching, and you personally just to help people know the Truth as well...

Soldiers carry guns to shoot other people on demand. I was a Gun and field troop instructor in the South African military. If I command a troop to shoot and he does not, I may shoot that troop on the spot... It is my authority and judgment to do so or not. Soldiers kill EACHOTHER. Ask any one that shot the ENIMY... And who is right? When the English came to take South Africa for the Queen who was Christian, they killed the local farmenrs who was Christians,and the Farmers killed them...

War is EVIL and God hates KILLING... unfortumately English does not have a word for DOODMAAK... Afrikaans for taking a life.... God has NEVER and will NEVER tell one man to take another man's life... God says HE gives life and HE takes it away...

You may believe what you will about my God but mine said... JY MAG NIE DOOMAAK NIE... AFRIKAANS... in English... YOU MAY NOT TAKE ANOTHER PERSONS LIFE.... NEVER! And Jesus confirmed it... Jesus said WHO LIVES BY THE SWORD SHALL DIE BY THE SWORD... No twisting neccesary to understand this.

If there were no armies there would be no war. Fightings and killings may persist, but not in the name of WAR! War is when two governments send troops to kill eachother. Like a live chess game.... Evil. as God says...

Any person that wants to know what God has to say about war and fighting and killing.... Just read the book of James.... All the answers is in there, and it REPROOF any war ever fought.... Even the one David, Saul and the old Israelites fought. Just read it....James is a powerful little book with a LOT of ANSWERS.

May the Lord and HIS LIFE be in us. I may die and be killed by an American soldier, and they might think they serve the Lord, but not one hair on my head will perish... The Soldier that killed me? Oh he shall perish by the sword...

Read Luke 21:16 Even sisters on CC and friends and kindsfolk will will betray us, and we will be killed by them, but there shall not a hair of my head perish....

Do you understand how you will die for His Name sake and still not a hair of your head shall perish? It is DEEP and beautiful. FEAR not what can kill the flesh.... FEAR NOT... I do not fear, not even the whole US ARMY... I DO NOT FEAR AT ALL.... WOW!

I pray and receive and I ask an receive, I want NOTHING. I will not fight for my Kingdom is not of this World... Jesus said if His Kingdom was here His people would have fought, but they DO NOT FIGHT! YEPEEEEEE!!!!