Christians are Judgemental

[olivetree32]

you know i was just readingMat 27:3Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders on judas a little more. i felt bad for him as i was reading, because he allowed satan to fill his heart and use him.
Mat 27:4saying, "I have sinned by betraying innocent blood." And they said, "What [is that] to us? You see [to it]!"
you know, God chose those twelve for a reason. To show us how human we are. there is so much we can learn from Christ as well as those who served him. but i will try to stay more on the topic, but this is interesting.

 

[Missy]

Originally Posted by Missy

quote=olivetree32;20883]lets look at what the word says about Judas shall we.
Mat 26:24The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born."


MIssy says:
Also I don't see the "It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." part in there at all. Has anyone else seen that?

why not missy, its not my word, but that of God. the reason i put that there is because i was showing that even though Jesus knew He must be handed over, do you not think Judas still had a choice to betray Jesus? I think he did. .

Oh, ok Olive. I didn't think that sentence was in the Bible, because I looked in several versions and it wasn't in any of them. The way you posted looked like it was part of the scripture you were quoting. But now I know it was your opinion.
Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[NoahsDad]

quote=olivetree32;20883]lets look at what the word says about Judas shall we.
Mat 26:24The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born."


"lets look at what the word says about Judas shall we."




Also I don't see the "It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." part in there at all. Has anyone else seen that?

here it is..........
Mat 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

 

[olivetree32]

Originally Posted by Missy

quote=olivetree32;20883]lets look at what the word says about Judas shall we.
Mat 26:24The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born."


MIssy says:
Also I don't see the "It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." part in there at all. Has anyone else seen that?





Oh, ok Olive. I didn't think that sentence was in the Bible, because I looked in several versions and it wasn't in any of them. The way you posted looked like it was part of the scripture you were quoting. But now I know it was your opinion.
Thanks for clearing that up.

um missy, i don't know what the confusion is? but the version i gave you is NKJV, and i copied it off of Blueletterbible.com
but is that what you are talking about, or are you talking about me adding that verse to the convo? yea please let me know because that is the correct verse i gave you. i think you are talking about adding that verse to the convo if im correct?

 

[heavensboy]

The bible does not say that we are not supposed to judge,(critically) but we are supposed to judge righteously. The bible word for judge is
it discern, to make a pronouncement that is right and just. I believe that christians greatly misunderstand the bible premise on this issue.
As christians we are supposed to judge, not by appearance, but through the lens of Gods word.

 

[dodolah]

The bible does not say that we are not supposed to judge,(critically) but we are supposed to judge righteously. The bible word for judge is
it discern, to make a pronouncement that is right and just. I believe that christians greatly misunderstand the bible premise on this issue.
As christians we are supposed to judge, not by appearance, but through the lens of Gods word.

Please Define the meaning behind judging righteously.
What do you mean when you say that and How a judgment (apart the one done by God) can be righteous and how judgment can be unrighteous?

Thanks

 

[NoahsDad]

Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
Rom 2:2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
Rom 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Jas 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
This kind of godly judgement ?

 

[thefightinglamb]

It is foolish for me to judge others; however, it is equally foolish for me not to let the Bible judge me and others...

For example, how am I to correct myself and take the plank out of my own eye unless I see scripture that judges me, I feel convicted, judge myself, and change? And then after judging myself, based on scripture, now I can judge others and prevent them from falling into the same pit I was in...

To say 'do not judge' and to let someone in sin fall is ****ing...

Likewise, when Jesus said 'do not throw your pearls to pigs or they will devour them and turn and tear you'--do you not think he wants you to discern (judge) that some people truly are pigs and will only tear what you give them apart and even beat you down for it? I know I have been on the foolish side of watching pigs tear down what I gave them and then start beating me....if you haven't read scripture and see...

We all have to discern (judge) between the righteous and the wicked...Some would like to claim we are all 'sinners', which is true--but all sinners are not alike....those who are being clensed are not the same as those who are actively seeking their own condemnation...I believe it is the Spirit that allows us to see the difference between those deemed righteous through Christ (though they be sinners) and those who are still under condemnation.

God's light to all, Jesus Christ

tony

 

[pinkcandy]

we should all love each toher amen

 

[pinkcandy]

yayay woop woopJESUS is the best mate i can ever have

 

[imoss]

Heres something to ponder my beautiful Christian friends... looking at the mote that is in your brothers eye while you are ignoring the beam in your own eye... I think that when we start to use the word of God to teach ourselves and try to live our lives to please God instead of using Gods word to judge the folly of others we have taken a HUGE step in our walk as Christians. I also think its important to have had the same "stick" in your own eye & figured out how to remove it before you try to assist your brother with his splinter... Do you get what i'm saying? If you've never had a problem with alcoholism please dont go to your alcoholic brother and preach how hard it is for a drunk to enter the kingdom, cause YOU have no CLUE! If you were an alcoholic you will know how to speak to this problem without judgement. Righteous judgement has turned many away from pursuing Christ when I sincerely believe it is our job to let our light shine & have people WANT to be a Chrisitan and to WANT what we have in Christ Jesus! And thats all I gotta say about that :-D Mossy.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Jesus's main point was hypocrisy. That is what the beam in eye thing is all about. But if you yourself have a bigger problem than the one you are addressing, that could be hypocrisy, eg. a fraudster telling an alcoholic they are wrong and going to hell. It's about making a big thing over a small issue, whilst ignoring the bigger issue you yourself have. A hypocrite would be someone who has a problem with alcohol or worse, telling another person with alcoholism that they are going to hell. But if they have cast that beam out of their own eye first, then they are able to take it out of another's. Jesus never forbids anyone taking a splinter or a log out of another's eye, provided you don't have one yourself. In fact Jesus wants us to do that, not to simply ignore the problem. Jesus is not saying to never ever judge, but the way in which it is done. The important thing in those passages, is being able to "see clearly". We can't properly judge a person without being able to see clearly. i.e. are they an unrepentant sinner, or are they a lost sheep?

 

[lala02]

I like how my church is. My pastor kinda went off in one of his sermons because a few people who didn't get along wouldn't sit on the same side of pews. He was basically saying that when you walk into church, you let go of your problems and worship God. Plus, he admits his faults to the entire congregation. That takes alot of guts if you ask me. Everyone falls short of the glory of God. Even something as simple as breaking the speed limit is a sin. I try to live a Christian life to the best of my ability, but I am far from perfect. Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. If you feel like you aren't accepted in your church, that is usually God's way of saying you aren't going to the church He wants you to. He wants you to live to your fullest potential and be happy. Being a Christian is hard work, but so is everything worth having.

 

[wisdomseeker]

when you come into a church.You are shown your sin by God so that you can #1 start repenting.
This might come across as the people are judging you.Maybe your judging you.In truth what others think of you shouldnt effect an outcome or action you are making.A church is simple a place where two or more people get together to enjoy fellowship and worship God almighty.It is also a place where non believers can hear the Word of God.
Your relationship with God is personal and worked out with God,You do not have to goto church for this its is threw prayer and following christs example that we come to a knowledge of God and his work.If you are luckey enough you will start to see him working all around you.
I welcome you and hope that threw prayer you come to knowledge of God.
Satan was kicked out of heaven because he judged us 24/7 to God.
Also remeber we are all going threw the same things as you are,That we all felt the same as you when we first started.
read peter and john they explain it alot better than me
A friend with God
peace be to you.

 

[Sinnner]

I believe that it is ok to judge our fellow Christians to a point, face to face, hold them accountable. Don't judge their salvation, but by all means judge them somewhat. I think when it is said "thou shalt not judge" means don't judge the non-believer cause they don't really get it, but we do

 

[lambsy]

As Christians we are taught ''not to judge'' others and to only use''righteous judgement.''

 

[Cookie38115]

We are all judgemental. The thing to remember about The Father is that he is the finnal and only judge that matters.

You have to becareful, because we you judge you are basicly saying, "How can they do that, I would never do such a thing". That thing will be what you do and cause you to stumble. Thank The Father for His perfect love and forgiveness.

 

[Braveheart47]

I think there are many interchanging reasons for the common judgemental issues with Christians. But I think it is mostly summed up in that I think most Christians live by putting the cart before the horse. We try to "make" fruit (love joy peace patience, etc), instead of just "being" fruit. What I mean is, Our first and formost reason for being here, and what should b ein our life is our RELATIONSHIP with God.

Acts 17:24-28...Everything is just about knowing God. The rest happens out of that basic relationship, And I don't mean the one time we meet God, I am talking about the ongoing relationship with him. The more we are WITH him, the more we will be LIKE him.

You don't have to tell the sun to shine

 

[wisdomseeker]

amen braveheart47
a Friend in God

 

[imoss]

I think there are many interchanging reasons for the common judgemental issues with Christians. But I think it is mostly summed up in that I think most Christians live by putting the cart before the horse. We try to "make" fruit (love joy peace patience, etc), instead of just "being" fruit. What I mean is, Our first and formost reason for being here, and what should b ein our life is our RELATIONSHIP with God.

Acts 17:24-28...Everything is just about knowing God. The rest happens out of that basic relationship, And I don't mean the one time we meet God, I am talking about the ongoing relationship with him. The more we are WITH him, the more we will be LIKE him.

You don't have to tell the sun to shine

Well put braveheart!