Christmas tree -- vestige from Babylonian worship

[DavidTree]

I am sorry you believe that having a tree in the house or celebrating Jesus birth on the 25th of December (even though we know that is not the most accurate date) is some kind of pagan holiday

I praise God for the gift of His Son and neither you nor any other self appointed prophetic type are going to advise me otherwise

you think the RCC is the seat of satan? I'm not convinced of that but i will keep it between myself and God as to why

my heart is not yours or anyone elses who think they know better than someone who knows and understands a spiritual reality that goes beyond admonishing everyone according to a human understanding

I have read enough of your posts to know that you cannot have any words for me from God

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but you are not my teacher

I'm not discussing it further with you...but you go ahead and address yourself to others.

Dear Sis, i am not judging You = you wanting a Christmas Tree does not bother me as i had one myself even after i was saved.

This Thread is revealing TRUTH for us to grow by and have discernment = take it or leave it with no judging upon you.

For those of us who "SEE the Day Approaching" we choose to separate ourselves from it.

Whenever we Let Go of the world system = the LORD gives MORE for His is the TRUE GIVER of GIFTS = AMEN

PS Sis = We love YOU = PEACE

 

[kaylagrl]

This thread is not for the apostates, it is assurance for the Lord's believers of His salvation.

My interest is the believer and the faith.

I believe that nothing is done by "coincidence" all is under the sovereignty of the Lord and therefore this Holiday reveals a lot, it is a shadow of things to come, both of those believers who will be raptured and those who will be left behind to enjoy their gifts from Santa

Apostates AND Nazis... you're getting more hysterical by the second. lol

 

[ZNP]

Ahh !! Now one is a Nazi if they have a Christmas tree. I proved the tree was not an idol, and you twisted Scripture. You didn't even take a beat. Now we're to believe that Nazis are truth tellers. Now having a Christmas tree is akin to being a Nazi. You're nuttier than a Christmas fruitcake.

It is the simple modern history of the Christmas tree. I posted a link, I didn't write it, it is well sourced and documented.

You were the one who said that the Christmas tree came from Germany, I am simply providing credible references to support that fact.

 

[DavidTree]

David only a fool laughs in the face of correction

you are not a prophet

the devil...or his spiritual helpers....fool many into believing they are something special in the kingdom when they are not

I believe you have a high opinion of yourself and that is not good

So you laugh at God's Word = Got it.

i hold HIGH the WORD just as my posts declare that = always.

If you are a RCC or former, so was i, with all the Rosary and schooling and Confirmation and religious hooplah.

 

[SophieT]

Kayla ~ these people rip God's people rather than encourage and strengthen and while they do so, they believe they are doing God's work

Paul also though he was doing God's work

the anger and mockery is not an example for anyone to follow, yet they hold themselves up as teachers who want to lord it over everyone even on a simple forum on the internet

most likely, they have no sway in a local congregation and so they come here and act like little lord magistrates and demand we all listen and do what they say

I know and many others also know, this is not the time or the desire of God to do what they are doing

more than ever, people need Christ and need encouragement and need peace that only God can bestow

it is still the time of God's salvation, but they believe in a false presentation and have given their ears to lying spirits and are not humble servants of God, but they demand respect and fancy themselves to be spiritual leaders when they have lost discernment

it is a sad time that the devil has found opportunity to attack believers from within the body of Christ

 

[ZNP]

Apostates AND Nazis... you're getting more hysterical by the second. lol

Good point, there are probably many saints who don't know what an apostate is.

4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

They secretly slip into the church, into your house, kind of like Santa coming down the chimney. They try to pervert the grace of God to materialism so that your prayers become a list of things you want from God, like the letter they write to Santa. They have parties that become a license for immorality. And they deny Jesus Christ, X'ing out His name.

17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

A scoffer refers to scorn, mocks or derides. For example, look at post #202, that is what it means to deride.

What is the desire behind all of the mythology in Christmas with the tree, stockings, and Santa? It is ungodly. It is also divisive. There are those who want to be absolute for the Lord, to follow the apostles fellowship and they are attacked, mocked and ridiculed because they don't adopt these pagan practices that have their origin in idolatry.

 

[kaylagrl]

You have it all twisted around, the reason I posted on your thread about the burning Christmas tree was because I celebrate the Birth of Jesus. I have consistently, every time the subject has come up said that I celebrate Jesus birth.

I have also pointed out that we will be judged according to the NT and the fellowship of the apostles.

For example -- Paul says to not let anyone judge you concerning a feast day. So I do not worry about your judgement on this matter.

Second, I think we should take every opportunity to teach the word of God. This holiday gives us a wonderful opportunity to speak the word of God. That was the burden in this thread. Anyone who wants to go through from the first post to now to see who is actually being judgemental towards those who celebrate the Lord's birth it is you, and two others. But I trust the reader to do their own study unless you force me to go through and requote all your posts.

Nah, you are the one judging and someone here has your number. I haven't read all your foolishness but you have been proved a hypocrite. And you have all of a sudden changed saying the tree is an idol, because you were proved wrong with Scripture, now you're telling some story from Nazis, who we all know are truth tellers. Bro you're more confused than a termite in a yo-yo. Don't follow this blind guide. smh

 

[SophieT]

So you laugh at God's Word = Got it.

i hold HIGH the WORD just as my posts declare that = always.

If you are a RCC or former, so was i, with all the Rosary and schooling and Confirmation and religious hooplah.

there is a scripture in Proverbs that applies to you David

I choose option A

I have been a believer since the age of 5 and never was a part of the RCC.

how is it something in you decides I laugh at God's word?

something is very off with your perception

but like I said, kindly preach to someone else if they will receive it

 

[Lanolin]

the babylonians did not have the gregorian calendar...that came later with the romans so cant say for certain that they celebrated anything on december 25th.

I think you just plucking things out of thin air to be honest.

winter solstice is usually around the 21st so its a few days off. Of course its summer solstice in the southern hemisphere.

The star of Bethelehem was apaprently a one off conjunction of stars eg december 25th isnt a date where we all can see the star of Bethlehem, unlike in winter solstice here you can see the seven sisters constellation rising at dawn.

 

[DavidTree]

there is a scripture in Proverbs that applies to you David

I choose option A

I have been a believer since the age of 5 and never was a part of the RCC.

how is it something in you decides I laugh at God's word?

something is very off with your perception

but like I said, kindly preach to someone else if they will receive it

You quoted Scripture about laughing at correction which comes from Scripture which you are doing on this thread.

Since, as you put it "think so highly of yourself" that you attack both the Truth and your Brothers who embrace the TRUTH.

EVIDENCE = You felt very high of yourself to attack me when i never attacked you but only stated what is factual Truth.

There was no judging you at all.

Go back and read your words that exalt yourself to judge another.

 

[ZNP]

Apostasy in the OT History

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.

This is what I was focused on in this thread. With the celebration of Christmas you have the believers rehearsing the birth of the man child in the evening being delivered while in the morning you have the rehearsal of those who don't believe celebrating Santa

6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

Once again this reminds us of the birth of the Man child because Satan and his host get cast to the Earth after the birth.

7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

How do you think a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah would be celebrating Christmas? There are many sexually suggestive and perverse songs associated with Santa and this holiday.

8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings.

This celebration is not simply a religious celebration done by some bizarre occultic beliefs, they heap abuse on celestial beings. The entire story of Santa and the reindeer and their little workshop is a mockery of celestial beings. They also reject authority. The Bible is the authority here, yet they reject that.

Look at the history of Israel leaving Egypt and you will see they were a mixed multitude and many were destroyed in the wilderness. Look at the story of Noah or Sodom, both given as direct examples of the rapture at the end of the age by the Lord, we see people given over to the flesh because they have forsaken God.

 

[Lanolin]

decorating a house isnt idolatry I would think that BUYING a lot of gifts might possibly be though
most people dont buy gifts they just give what they already have,,,I mean in the real world where they dont have shops open all hours of the day.

 

[ZNP]

the babylonians did not have the gregorian calendar...that came later with the romans so cant say for certain that they celebrated anything on december 25th.

I think you just plucking things out of thin air to be honest.

winter solstice is usually around the 21st so its a few days off. Of course its summer solstice in the southern hemisphere.

The star of Bethelehem was apaprently a one off conjunction of stars eg december 25th isnt a date where we all can see the star of Bethlehem, unlike in winter solstice here you can see the seven sisters constellation rising at dawn.

I have already posted on this, they brought the tree in on the solstice and decorated it and then three days later they celebrated the birth of their God which supposedly rose from the dead to become a god at that time.

 

[kaylagrl]

Kayla ~ these people rip God's people rather than encourage and strengthen and while they do so, they believe they are doing God's work

Paul also though he was doing God's work

the anger and mockery is not an example for anyone to follow, yet they hold themselves up as teachers who want to lord it over everyone even on a simple forum on the internet

most likely, they have no sway in a local congregation and so they come here and act like little lord magistrates and demand we all listen and do what they say

I know and many others also know, this is not the time or the desire of God to do what they are doing

more than ever, people need Christ and need encouragement and need peace that only God can bestow

it is still the time of God's salvation, but they believe in a false presentation and have given their ears to lying spirits and are not humble servants of God, but they demand respect and fancy themselves to be spiritual leaders when they have lost discernment

it is a sad time that the devil has found opportunity to attack believers from within the body of Christ

You have it in a nutshell. And these blind guides can be an influence on new Christians. When I flat out proved him wrong with Scripture about the tree being an idol he goes further down the road, now using Nazis to push his propaganda. The plain message for me, that I have said, is that a Christmas tree is not an idol. But these dogmatic legalists just jump around when they are proved wrong. They always want to be the teacher, they refuse to listen. We had a man in our church like this. He went through 4 wives. Why? Because he was listening to his friend who claimed to be a "prophet". He was blind and actually needed a wife but he couldn't keep one because he was paranoid. His friend would cast derision and suspicion on his wives, saying they had spirits and they were cheating on him. He was in his 70s, his last wife was as faithful as an old dog. He was hateful to her, suspicious, accused her of robbing him and sleeping around. smh All because his prophet friend said so. He was so horrific to his last wife that she had to leave him. He died last week, alone, from cancer. Sad state but he refused to listen. His wife was heartbroken. Blind guides, leading the blind.

 

[ZNP]

decorating a house isnt idolatry I would think that BUYING a lot of gifts might possibly be though
most people dont buy gifts they just give what they already have,,,I mean in the real world where they dont have shops open all hours of the day.

Paul says that these practices can range from vanity to idolatry. So yes, a decoration can be vanity, or if you ascribe special power or significance to it, if you have special ornaments, if your kids think the present has to be under the tree, then it moves into the realm of idolatry.

 

[Lanolin]

In revelation where the city Babylon is brought low its clear that Babylon was a city of merchants where everything was for sale, especially luxury goods.

 

[kaylagrl]

I have already posted on this, they brought the tree in on the solstice and decorated it and then three days later they celebrated the birth of their God which supposedly rose from the dead to become a god at that time.

False.

 

[kaylagrl]

Paul says that these practices can range from vanity to idolatry. So yes, a decoration can be vanity, or if you ascribe special power or significance to it, if you have special ornaments, if your kids think the present has to be under the tree, then it moves into the realm of idolatry.

Also false, you've been rebuked and proven wrong by Scripture on several threads. The tree is not an idol, that was easily debunked using the Word.

 

[SophieT]

You quoted Scripture about laughing at correction which comes from Scripture which you are doing on this thread.

Since, as you put it "think so highly of yourself" that you attack both the Truth and your Brothers who embrace the TRUTH.

EVIDENCE = You felt very high of yourself to attack me when i never attacked you but only stated what is factual Truth.

There was no judging you at all.

Go back and read your words that exalt yourself to judge another.

you do this in every thread you are in

you pick someone with whom to disagree, falsely charge them with things they never said and go on and on and on for nothing

I am putting you back on ignore because you do not seem able to control yourself. your words are hostile and untrue

kindly preach to someone else if they will receive it

 

[ZNP]

Prophesies concerning the Apostasy

14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

This is an amazing prophecy if you understand "the Lord is coming" to refer to the rapture. Does this mean that the celebration of Christmas is a shadow of things to come?

You have both the holy ones and you also have the ungodly acts.

If you want to know what "grumblers, fault finders" refer to see post 223