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Hi, I'm new here but I don't think NOT participating in a pagan high holy day qualifies a person as "an old religious sour puss". You seem to have it backwards. Christmas ritual IS religious. That is EXACTLY what it is.
IMO Christians may celebrate the winter solstice if they want to. And Christians may worship Jesus at Christmas if they wish but it's an unfair assessment to claim people "lack joy and happiness" for NOT doing so. The joy of The Lord is in the heart not in ancient rituals or religious observance.
We should all act according to our conscience. It isn't wrong for people to opt out if they feel that is what is right for them.
It doesn't signify a lack of joy. It's also not un-Biblical to be concerned about being bound up in it. God asked Israel not worship him in the same way as the heathen.
Galatians 4
9 But now that you know God – or rather are known by God – how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces ? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
IMO Christians may celebrate the winter solstice if they want to. And Christians may worship Jesus at Christmas if they wish but it's an unfair assessment to claim people "lack joy and happiness" for NOT doing so. The joy of The Lord is in the heart not in ancient rituals or religious observance.
We should all act according to our conscience. It isn't wrong for people to opt out if they feel that is what is right for them.
It doesn't signify a lack of joy. It's also not un-Biblical to be concerned about being bound up in it. God asked Israel not worship him in the same way as the heathen.
Galatians 4
9 But now that you know God – or rather are known by God – how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces ? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
Being a christian and being in Christ, the gospel is His death, His burial, HIs resurrection. There are but a couple verses about His birth, but the entire book is proclaiming His death for us leading to His gospel preached. Is about Jesus and HIm crucified. For us who believe and repent.
Christmas was begun in the catholic church, around the time of Constantine, when they thought they needed a universal holiday to grow their numbers and the best way to do that was to attach the names of God and Jesus to it.
This is researchable in any public library you care to spend time in. I believe a book called 'History of Christianity' is there.
Christmas was begun in the catholic church, around the time of Constantine, when they thought they needed a universal holiday to grow their numbers and the best way to do that was to attach the names of God and Jesus to it.
This is researchable in any public library you care to spend time in. I believe a book called 'History of Christianity' is there.
I don't think anyone is suggesting NOT to celebrate Jesus.
But are you comfortable with using methods of Baal-worship to do so? I am not.
Many people seem to have difficulty letting go of idol worship (I mean religiously)
It is a main theme in the Biblical record from Genesis to Revelation that The Lord wants to get false worship out of mankind.
He talks about it a lot. It must be important to him. (and us) The Lord God. And no other.
I don't really see any room for misinterpretation.
But are you comfortable with using methods of Baal-worship to do so? I am not.
Many people seem to have difficulty letting go of idol worship (I mean religiously)
It is a main theme in the Biblical record from Genesis to Revelation that The Lord wants to get false worship out of mankind.
He talks about it a lot. It must be important to him. (and us) The Lord God. And no other.
I don't really see any room for misinterpretation.
These "conversations" Enoch had with God Most High, and the King of Peace (Melchizadek), and Judgements rendered unto the "conspirators, co-conspirators, aka "overthrowers", and their begging "petition" from Enoch TO God Most High, and His reply to them? Perhaps, a reason why "canonizers", of what has become our "Modern Bible", is, or, has become to be some kind of a test, or a proof of intent, for the elect? But, to be certain, these ones of the "katabol", or "overthrow", have NEVER ceased in their seekings, either collectively, or singly, in striving for someone to keep submitting their "petition", before God Most High, and striving in "their" establishing, a "prince of the covenant." What this does, is place that one, whom they were able in their deceiving, literally, in the same boat as the "attempted" (not alleged) overthrowers themselves. For they know their end! But, to unsuspecting Children of God? Not so much!
1 Enoch - Chapter 12 [SECT. III.]
3. I, Enoch, was blessing the great Lord and King of peace.
4. And behold the Watchers called me Enoch the scribe.
5. Then the Lord said to me: Enoch, scribe of righteousness, go tell the Watchers of heaven, who have deserted the lofty sky, and their holy everlasting station, who have been polluted with women.
6. And have done as the sons of men do, by taking to themselves wives, and who have been greatly corrupted on the earth;
7. That on the earth they shall never obtain peace and remission of sin. For they shall not rejoice in their offspring; they shall behold the slaughter of their beloved; shall lament for the destruction of their sons; and shall petition for ever; but shall not obtain mercy and peace.
Chapter 13
1. Then Enoch, passing on, said to Azazyel: Thou shalt not obtain peace. A great sentence is gone forth against thee. He shall bind thee;
2. Neither shall relief, mercy, and supplication be thine, on account of the oppression which thou hast taught;
3. And on account of every act of blasphemy, tyranny, and sin, which thou hast discovered to the children of men.
4. Then departing from him I spoke to them all together;
5. And they all became terrified, and trembled;
6. Beseeching me to write for them a memorial of supplication, that they might obtain forgiveness; and that I might make the memorial of their prayer ascend up before the God of heaven; because they could not themselves thenceforwards address him, nor raise up their eyes to heaven on account of the disgraceful offence for which they were judged.
7. Then I wrote a memorial of their prayer and supplication, for their spirits, for everything which they had done, and for the subject of their entreaty, that they might obtain remission and rest.
1 Enoch - Chapter 12 [SECT. III.]
3. I, Enoch, was blessing the great Lord and King of peace.
4. And behold the Watchers called me Enoch the scribe.
5. Then the Lord said to me: Enoch, scribe of righteousness, go tell the Watchers of heaven, who have deserted the lofty sky, and their holy everlasting station, who have been polluted with women.
6. And have done as the sons of men do, by taking to themselves wives, and who have been greatly corrupted on the earth;
7. That on the earth they shall never obtain peace and remission of sin. For they shall not rejoice in their offspring; they shall behold the slaughter of their beloved; shall lament for the destruction of their sons; and shall petition for ever; but shall not obtain mercy and peace.
Chapter 13
1. Then Enoch, passing on, said to Azazyel: Thou shalt not obtain peace. A great sentence is gone forth against thee. He shall bind thee;
2. Neither shall relief, mercy, and supplication be thine, on account of the oppression which thou hast taught;
3. And on account of every act of blasphemy, tyranny, and sin, which thou hast discovered to the children of men.
4. Then departing from him I spoke to them all together;
5. And they all became terrified, and trembled;
6. Beseeching me to write for them a memorial of supplication, that they might obtain forgiveness; and that I might make the memorial of their prayer ascend up before the God of heaven; because they could not themselves thenceforwards address him, nor raise up their eyes to heaven on account of the disgraceful offence for which they were judged.
7. Then I wrote a memorial of their prayer and supplication, for their spirits, for everything which they had done, and for the subject of their entreaty, that they might obtain remission and rest.
[h=1]Chapter 14[/h]
[FONT="] [/FONT] 1. This is the book of the words of righteousness, and of the reproof of the Watchers, who belong to the world, according to that which He, who is holy and great, commanded in the vision. I perceived in my dream, that I was now speaking with a tongue of flesh, and with my breath, which the Mighty One has put into the mouth of men, that they might converse with it.
2. And understand with the heart. As he has created and given to men the power of comprehending the word of understanding, so has he created and given to me the power of reproving the Watchers, the offspring of heaven. I have written your petition; and in my vision it has been shown me, that what you request will not be granted you as long as the world endures.
3. Judgment has been passed upon you: your request will not be granted you.
4. From this time forward, never shall you ascend into heaven; He has said, that on the earth He will bind you, as long as the world endures.
5. But before these things you shall behold the destruction of your beloved sons; you shall not possess them, but they shall fall before you by the sword.
6. Neither shall you entreat for them, nor for yourselves;
7. But you shall weep and supplicate in silence. The words of the book which I wrote.
2. And understand with the heart. As he has created and given to men the power of comprehending the word of understanding, so has he created and given to me the power of reproving the Watchers, the offspring of heaven. I have written your petition; and in my vision it has been shown me, that what you request will not be granted you as long as the world endures.
3. Judgment has been passed upon you: your request will not be granted you.
4. From this time forward, never shall you ascend into heaven; He has said, that on the earth He will bind you, as long as the world endures.
5. But before these things you shall behold the destruction of your beloved sons; you shall not possess them, but they shall fall before you by the sword.
6. Neither shall you entreat for them, nor for yourselves;
7. But you shall weep and supplicate in silence. The words of the book which I wrote.
Of course it is okay to remember the birth of Jesus, but it is not the remembering and. celebrating His birth that saves us. It is the belief in, the faith in, the remembering and holding in reverence the gospel, His sacrifice for us who believe and obey and repent and are baptized for the forgiveness of our sins calling upon His name (and staying faithful and growing until the end) that saves us.
It’s His death that saves. It is His gospel (1 Cor 15:1-4) that saves. Put your faith and obedience there. Realize that there are a mere few verses about His birth, but entire book is about His death for us who accept and obey. God’s entire plan from before the foundation of the world is that those who are in His Son are His elect. (Eph 1) We enter His Son, are united with His Son, when we are baptized into His death for the forgiveness of our sins. Acts 2:37,38; Romans 6;1-7. It is all about His death to take on our punishment for our sins.
1. I dont tell anyone they have to or can not do anything.
2. I personally velebrate the Messiah the way Yah gave:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever[/FONT]
3. Is it acceptable to celebrate Jesus to use pagan ways?
2. I personally velebrate the Messiah the way Yah gave:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever[/FONT]
3. Is it acceptable to celebrate Jesus to use pagan ways?