CHRISTMAS

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Locoponydirtman

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To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.
Titus 1:15 NASB

And there you have the perfect law of liberty spelled out .

Enjoy you Christmas celebrations.

It's kind of ironic. I don't celebrate like everyone else does. I don't put up a tree or decorate, with anything more than a nativity commemorative scene.
I buy minimal gifts and prefer non purchased gifts, hand made stuff is awesome. I prefer the quiet solemn over celebrations, yet I find myself vehemently defending others freedom to do all those things that I don't do myself.
 
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Blik

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gb9 said:
you mean " us" as in Israel. right?

because, as I have already explained to you in other threads , the Mosaic Covenant was made with Israel only, if you think Moses repeated what God the Father ( truth of Trinity) correctly in Leviticus 26.
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That is not what scripture tells us. Do you think the Lord provides a different sky for gentiles and Jews so the rain is separated?

Exodus 12:49 There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you.

Leviticus 24:22 You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God.
 
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Blik

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Locoponydirtman said:
To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.
Titus 1:15 NASB

And there you have the perfect law of liberty spelled out .

Enjoy you Christmas celebrations.

It's kind of ironic. I don't celebrate like everyone else does. I don't put up a tree or decorate, with anything more than a nativity commemorative scene.
I buy minimal gifts and prefer non purchased gifts, hand made stuff is awesome. I prefer the quiet solemn over celebrations, yet I find myself vehemently defending others freedom to do all those things that I don't do myself.
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The law of liberty does not tell us we may disregard what the Lord tells us.
 
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Dino246

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Blik said:
That is not what scripture tells us. Do you think the Lord provides a different sky for gentiles and Jews so the rain is separated?

Exodus 12:49 There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you.

Leviticus 24:22 You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God.
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Explained in your new thread.
 
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John146

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Subhumanoidal said:
Or perhaps people live under their freedom to choose according to their conscience, rather than a religious demand created by others.
Considering the topic it's no surprise you found a way to put people down for having opposing views.
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Sorry you see it that way. I haven’t put anyone down, but thanks for the judgment.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Blik said:
The law of liberty does not tell us we may disregard what the Lord tells us.
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Of course you respond to this not what was addressed to you in the quote below.
Locoponydirtman said:
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—
Colossians 2:16 NASB
things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Colossians 2:17 NASB

Jesus said the day will come that we worship in spirit and in truth. Why do you continue to insist that worship be done according to material things?
We no longer have to seek God in shadows of things to come. He has come and we have him in spirit and in truth.
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Framer

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The birth of Christ is a great thing but all the other fake stuff of it, the tree, the lights, Santa clause etc. No good.
 
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morefaithrequired

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John146 said:
Give us your thoughts on anything Christmas. Here are some ideas:

Should we celebrate it?
Exchange gifts?
Decorate trees?
Should it be in December?
Wise men
Shepherds
Santa Claus
Etc...
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Christmas is designed for kids. But I love the story Christmas Carol by Dickens.
 
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Nehemiah6

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morefaithrequired said:
Christmas is designed for kids
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Only superficially. What could be more critical than telling adults that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, therefore Christmas Day is meant for them to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved?

That the first worshipers of Christ were NOT Jews, but Gentile magi from the Arabian peninsula, who traveled a great distance to see Him in Bethlehem, therefore Christmas is for Gentiles to be saved and then worship Him. That people can give each other all the gifts they want, but unless they see that Christ is God's gift to them for salvation, they will face an eternal Hell. That the meaning of Bethlehem is "House of Bread", since Christ is the Living Bread who came down from Heaven to give eternal life to the world.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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BillG said:
We do Christmas.
In fact when our kids were younger we used sing happy Birthday to Jesus with a birthday cake and candles.

Though never mention Santa in front of my wife.
If you do, you better run for cover.
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We are trying to figure out how to do a little Jesus thing this year for the grandkids.
 
Kavik

Kavik

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Don't mean this to sound as blunt as it may, but....

There is no denying that many traditions and customs surrounding Christmas are derived from pre-Christian beliefs and practices; most notably from Germanic, Roman, and Celtic traditions. Even the time of year it's celebrated, around the Winter Solstice (the idea of light overtaking darkness and its symbolic ‘translation’ into Christianity), is pre-Christian.

As most know, many of our present-day customs and traditions, from the days of the week, to the candles you blow out on your birthday cake, have "pre-Christian" antecedents; but no one really seems to complain about those. Indeed, I’d be willing to bet that very few people are even remotely aware of half of them.

Here's the thing though, quite frankly, whether one wishes to acknowledge it or not, the “pagan-ness” has been effectively ‘bred out’ of Christmas and its traditions for well over 1,000 years now. They have, for all intents and purposes, become completely Christianized (though maybe not your particular idea or 'belief set' of what Christianity entails). Like other pre-Christian customs and traditions that have become part of our culture, it’s time to get over it.

Of course many people are keen to point out that “Christmas is not in the Bible” (well the Nativity is, but that’s another story), neither are a lot of things, but again, no one seems to have a problem with that.

I think one of the things that I have a bit of a concern with regarding Christmas is that for something held to be so profound; the Bible records two completely different birth narratives (though over time, both have become sort of intertwined into one Nativity story).

This too has probably been beaten to death in another thread somewhere, but I tend to think Jesus was born in Nazareth; not Bethlehem. I don't buy the whole census story. Roman taxation didn't work that way. I think there was only one known census in the ancient Middle East where people had to return to the city in which they lived in anticipation of a census - this happened in Egypt, but I don't recall the particulars.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Kavik said:
Don't mean this to sound as blunt as it may, but....

There is no denying that many traditions and customs surrounding Christmas are derived from pre-Christian beliefs and practices; most notably from Germanic, Roman, and Celtic traditions. Even the time of year it's celebrated, around the Winter Solstice (the idea of light overtaking darkness and its symbolic ‘translation’ into Christianity), is pre-Christian.

As most know, many of our present-day customs and traditions, from the days of the week, to the candles you blow out on your birthday cake, have "pre-Christian" antecedents; but no one really seems to complain about those. Indeed, I’d be willing to bet that very few people are even remotely aware of half of them.

Here's the thing though, quite frankly, whether one wishes to acknowledge it or not, the “pagan-ness” has been effectively ‘bred out’ of Christmas and its traditions for well over 1,000 years now. They have, for all intents and purposes, become completely Christianized (though maybe not your particular idea or 'belief set' of what Christianity entails). Like other pre-Christian customs and traditions that have become part of our culture, it’s time to get over it.

Of course many people are keen to point out that “Christmas is not in the Bible” (well the Nativity is, but that’s another story), neither are a lot of things, but again, no one seems to have a problem with that.

I think one of the things that I have a bit of a concern with regarding Christmas is that for something held to be so profound; the Bible records two completely different birth narratives (though over time, both have become sort of intertwined into one Nativity story).

This too has probably been beaten to death in another thread somewhere, but I tend to think Jesus was born in Nazareth; not Bethlehem. I don't buy the whole census story. Roman taxation didn't work that way. I think there was only one known census in the ancient Middle East where people had to return to the city in which they lived in anticipation of a census - this happened in Egypt, but I don't recall the particulars.
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Isn't that what Christ does, he redeems , and this what Christians do we redeem. We Christianize and why not? This Earth and everything in it belongs to God, so let us redeem it all in the name of the Lord. let us recover it from the fallenes of sin and restore it to his purpose.
 
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John146

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Kavik said:
This too has probably been beaten to death in another thread somewhere, but I tend to think Jesus was born in Nazareth; not Bethlehem. I don't buy the whole census story. Roman taxation didn't work that way. I think there was only one known census in the ancient Middle East where people had to return to the city in which they lived in anticipation of a census - this happened in Egypt, but I don't recall the particulars.
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How do you come to this conclusion biblically?
 
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