Chuck Missler

[Bladerunner]

Some evangelicals believe that many of the encounters certain individuals report regarding meetings with aliens were actually encounters with demons who tricked them. Two UFO scholars with PhD's, both of whom were agnostic, and one of whom wrote a report for Congress on UFO phenomenon, concluded that reports of encounters with aliens were similar to if not identical to accounts of encounters with demons.

Hugh Ross had an episode on this topic on his show 'Reasons to Believe', and I found to be extremely persuasive.

If you say, 'demons are space aliens' that sounds crazy. If you frame it as demons pretending to be aliens, giving them demonic hallucinations and other experiences, it makes more sense, at least to the mind of someone with a Biblical world view which allows for the existence of demons.

Not LIKELY..... report regarding meetings with aliens were actually encounters with demons who tricked them. Demons according to the Bible really have no body per say. They have to inherit a body for them to function. They also do not have any powers what so ever and actually have to have permission to take over a body.

On the other hand Angels (all) are the "Sons of God". It is evident they have far more knowledge than that of mankind. They apparently can also change in and out of "Dimensions" (don't laugh, you are a three (3) dimensional being) as seen in the Story of Baal and His Donkey. They also seem to be able to affect your mind (i.e. Satan), false premonitions to arise.

It is also apparent, as in SATAN and JOB, Satan does not have the power to Kill unless given that power.

If you use your the "Armour of GOD" nothing can touch you.

Space Aliens (those being from other planets throughout our universe) is all a LIE. The earth is Geocentric and according to scriptures (see my blogs), this world is not what all of us since around 1850 have been taught it is. While it really does not matter, it does matter in that because of the LIES they tell, one can be sucked up into a scenerio where one can be lead away from a Supreme Deity (creator).

 

[Bladerunner]

That's still not 'false prophesying' in the Biblical sense of the word prophesying. Making a false prediction isn't false prophecy in the Biblical sense unless the one predicting it is doing it in the name of the Lord, claiming the LORD said it (or prophesying in the name of a false god, another kind of activity another type of false prophet engaged in.)

Wrongly predicting the future based on poor Bible interpretation is teaching error, not the same thing as false prophesying.

In fact, one of Chuck's best sayings were about these predictions of the end.

When people ask him if he thinks so and so is right about the date,

'He always tells them to come back to him two months after the deadline and they could talk about it then. '

 

[Bladerunner]

I really don't know if this even deserves an answer! If you had been here long enough to have read any of my posts, you would find that not only did God save me, but that I have been filled with the Holy Ghost ever since that day, over 37 years ago.

I have also studied to show myself approved, and God has done an amazing work, not just in saving me, but in changing me from the wretch I was, into someone who loves, serves and follows Jesus Christ.

I guess the central issue, is that God HAS given me direction, as far as believing in aliens, or fallen angels cavorting with humans. The answer is NO! That never happened! And JohnnyB has very nicely explained why this did not happen, with Scripture.

All the people thinking these bizarre interpretations of Scripture, really need to seek the Holy Spirit and acquire some discernment. I can't believe how many people sincerely believe all this nonsense about aliens and fallen angels, aka as demons. Or something!

Get a grip, Bladerunner! God works in marvelous ways, but when the flood came, it had to do with the sins of men, not the sexual interaction between heavenly beings and/or aliens.

(Shakes head! What will they believe next??)

If you do not believe in the WORD of GOD....wellllllll you know the question you should be asking yourself.

 

[Bladerunner]

Hi Pres: We know that the word Nephilim meant giant because it is used after the flood when referring to giants around 10 feet tall. The giants before the flood were completely destroyed by God in the flood so the giants after the flood could not have come from them. We have a short history of the giants and then it stops, if they were true humans(just large) then they had to come from one of the sons of Noah. Modern giants are not really giants, they are normal people who had a hormone problem and are usually weak and do not live long. The giants in the bible after the flood were a race of people not freaks of nature.

WRONG!

Have a Blessed Day

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

I wish I could find that old Hugh Ross episode online somewhere. Hugh Ross is a pastor and an astrophysicist, born in Canada as a matter of fact. He was raised an atheist. As an atheist graduate student, he realized that he could spend countless hours staring into a big telescope and not see any UFOs, yet certain people could see them after a short while. He wondered if it was something about the people that made them think they could see UFOs.

Later, he became a Christian. He was one of the few astrophysicists who interviewed UFO abductees. What he found in his interviews was that in the cases of people whose experiences could not be explained away by natural phenomenon or things like weather balloons, that the more involved they were with the occult, the more likely they were to see UFOs, talk to aliens, etc. The ones who dabbled in the occult might see something in the sky. The ones who were deep into it might report being abducted.

He said that during the Cold War, Russian scientists experimented with occultic phenomenon, and tended to have a lot more citings of UFOs. But their dabbling in the occult made them more susceptible. (This point is fuzzy in my mind. It's been about 20 years.)

He had a lot of other points as well. UFO phenomenon in people's testimonies violated the laws of physics, which caused him to conclude they were not natural phenomenon, fast ships turning at 90 degrees, like stopping at one point instead of disappating.

He told about two agnostic scientists who both concluded that reports of encounters with UFOs were similar to if not identical to accounts of encounters with demons. One made a report for the US Congress as some sort of commission, so he was considered an expert in the field.

Hugh Ross didn't say anything about aliens trying to mess with the gene pool or create new Nephilim, You don't have to believe that to think that UFO abduction phenomenon is often just another form of occult experience.

Anything to do with Astrology, soothsaying, etc. are PAGAN in nature even today.

 

[wolfwint]

WRONG!

Have a Blessed Day

Blade

Why wrong?

 

[wolfwint]

WRONG!

Have a Blessed Day

Blade

Bible says clear that only 8 people survived the flood. So all people came from Sem,Ham and Japhet.

 

[Rockrz]

Space Aliens (those being from other planets throughout our universe)

Being from other planets... no.

But, there are principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places (Ephesians 6:12) that are manifesting in these last days to deceive the masses into believing man was either created by aliens or that aliens are gonna come and save mankind.

 

[PennEd]

Bible says clear that only 8 people survived the flood. So all people came from Sem,Ham and Japhet.

This is a fair point, and one of the reasons I said that this type of discussion, almost by necessity, leads to speculation.

 

[Bladerunner]

Why wrong?

"The giants before the flood were completely destroyed by God in the flood so the giants after the flood could not have come from them."


look to your scripture...Noah, his Wife and Sons were "perfect" according to GOD........Where the sons get their wives from??????????? LIGHT COMING ON????????

Look also to the Genealogy NOAH which will tell you where the Giants came from...

Let quickly add another point...The Giants are one reason why God was displeased but sin of all kinds, Chimeras, Beastiality, etc. was happening before the flood. which is why when they crossed into the 'Promised Land' they killed everything,, Man, woman, child, animals,,,,anything living.....Yes, it was ans is today happening after the FLOOD.

 

[CompanionBibleFan]

Hey just curious what is a demon
And what is an alien

 

[Bladerunner]

Hey just curious what is a demon
And what is an alien

By definition an Alien is anyone or thing that does not belong to the site, etc.

There are no Aliens from outer space unless you want to call angels aliens.

demons are from the bottomless pit that have no soul or body. They are spirit in nature and live in bodies (any type of body) that accept them. They cannot inhibit a person unless let do so.

Demons are the ones that Jesus was going kill but they ask him to put them in the pigs bodies.. He then run them over the cliff.

Other than occupying someones body if invited in, they have no powers at all unlike angels.

 

[CompanionBibleFan]

Ok. So to be clear. Aliens have bodies? And demons don't.

 

[Bladerunner]

Ok. So to be clear. Aliens have bodies? And demons don't.

Demons do not..... unless they are invited in. Aliens,,,,,,, What aliens....... Space Aliens......There are none

 

[Rockrz]

demons are from the bottomless pit

Actually, demons are free to roam the earth and the 'heaven' above the earth which is the atmosphere and not Heaven where the Lord's throne is at.

The fallen angels that were chained in the pit stay there and cannot go anywhere

What people are calling aliens are just demons (devils, fallen angels, nephilim)... and yes they are causing what appears to be UFOs in the skys around the world which is being done to deceive the masses.

satan and his minions do any and everything they possibly can to deceive man to prevent a personal relationship with the Lord and once someone gets saved they seek to choke the Word out of us thru persecution, affliction, cares of this world, desire for other things and deceitfulness of riches (see Mark 4:13-20)

 

[CompanionBibleFan]

You are mostly correct.
Now when we as flesh man come to this earth age a life force,spirit,soul, it has many names but what ever you want to call it. That enter our body. ( I believe at the moment of conception ). Our flesh has life. Then fast forward to the end. That same life force,soul,spirit, it has many names. But what ever you want to call it. When it leaves. Our flesh body has death.
Now where did that life force,spirit,soul come from?

 

[Rockrz]

Now where did that life force,spirit,soul come from?

It was on sale at Walmarts... some people bought several so they have multiple personalities

 

[CompanionBibleFan]

Oh remember. Everything that was created or was
Ever going to be created. Was done in the beginning. There is nothing new under the sun.

 

[Bladerunner]

You are mostly correct.
Now when we as flesh man come to this earth age a life force,spirit,soul, it has many names but what ever you want to call it. That enter our body. ( I believe at the moment of conception ). Our flesh has life. Then fast forward to the end. That same life force,soul,spirit, it has many names. But what ever you want to call it. When it leaves. Our flesh body has death.
Now where did that life force,spirit,soul come from?

The first breath you ever breathed in....... The breath of GOD!

 

[Bladerunner]

Actually, demons are free to roam the earth and the 'heaven' above the earth which is the atmosphere and not Heaven where the Lord's throne is at.

The fallen angels that were chained in the pit stay there and cannot go anywhere

What people are calling aliens are just demons (devils, fallen angels, nephilim)... and yes they are causing what appears to be UFOs in the skys around the world which is being done to deceive the masses.

satan and his minions do any and everything they possibly can to deceive man to prevent a personal relationship with the Lord and once someone gets saved they seek to choke the Word out of us thru persecution, affliction, cares of this world, desire for other things and deceitfulness of riches (see Mark 4:13-20)

Rockrz..... your right about the demons and fallen angels...These were the angels in Genesis 6. However, Satan army consist of 1/3 of the angels in Heaven... There are plenty to go around. Nephilim,,,, not really sure how they could be UFOs since they are land based.

It is interesting that the RCC owns an observatory in Denver, Colorado mountains named Mt.Evans Womble Observatory. It has a binocular infrared (R-C system, designed with seeing accomodation for thermal and airflow effects). You should check this out...

A scenario where supposed aliens come to earth to stop the wars and connect with the RCC for the new world religion. What better deception or way to get people to believe they were put here by these beings and will be made immortal if they believe. A good one no.....No on knows for sure. there are several out there available.

What we know there will be a push for a one world religion by the Harlot who will rides the beast (antichrist), who will be on his way up. All of this will start happening immediately after the Rapture. Check out the Observatory owned by RCC...WHY? What are they Looking for?????