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Lanolin

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It's not impossible. The Romans were gentiles, all hope was lost and the Jews may well have feared the fate that Rome had in store for them if they were captured. King Saul asked to be killed rather than die at the hands of his enemies. I've read reports that the Romans were prepared for a battle and were horrified by what they saw. That is the testimony of Josephus. He claimed that to avoid the sin of suicide, the Jews killed each other.

Adolf Hitler and many of his close associates preferred suicide to capture by the Russians. I can understand why. Perhaps the Jews had a similar attitude.
its not looked as a good thing though in the Bible
rather a cowardly thing

Jesus knowingly went to his death on the cross but he did not kill himself to avoid crucifixtion or ask his disciples to kill him. He was betrayed.
 

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Pilates DID wash his hands of the crucifixtion though cos apparently the it was the Jews who demanded Jesus be crucified...not the Romans.

hmm though they used the cruel Roman method of execution, not stoning as was their own custom.
 

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jospehus very sketchy on what happened at Masada how did they commit suicide or did they KILL each other. What did they jump off a cliff? Slit each others throats? swallow really bad kosher wine?
It was probably in a siege situation, a fire broke out and. they all suffocated when they hid in the fortress.
 
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The easiest way to knowing a cult is comparing its teachings with the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ,it therefore means you can tell a cult if only you know the Gospel of Jesus!!!
 

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jospehus very sketchy on what happened at Masada how did they commit suicide or did they KILL each other. What did they jump off a cliff? Slit each others throats? swallow really bad kosher wine?
It was probably in a siege situation, a fire broke out and. they all suffocated when they hid in the fortress.
I lost the link because I clicked on close browser.

"When the Romans entered the fortress, however, they discovered that its 960 inhabitants had committed mass suicide, preferring death at their own hands to slavery or execution. " https://www.britannica.com/event/Si...ith a ram, this,hands to slavery or execution.


https://press.princeton.edu/ideas/masada-a-heroic-last-stand-against-rome

“Finally, then, the nine bared their throats, and the last solitary survivor, after surveying the prostrate multitude, to see whether haply amid the shambles there were yet one left who needed his hand, and finding that all were slain, set the palace ablaze, and then collecting his strength drove his sword clean through his body and fell beside his family.”
(War 7.397-398; Loeb translation)
https://press.princeton.edu/ideas/masada-a-heroic-last-stand-against-rome
 
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Churches have unspoken rules, such as not visiting/going to other churches as the same time. My friend's father is a pastor and was told the pastor takes this personally, if people start visiting other churches. I went to a movie night at another church...and someone said to me oh, but you go to xyz church. This type of talk makes me feel uneasy.
 

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jospehus very sketchy on what happened at Masada how did they commit suicide or did they KILL each other. What did they jump off a cliff? Slit each others throats? swallow really bad kosher wine?
It was probably in a siege situation, a fire broke out and. they all suffocated when they hid in the fortress.
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According to Josephus’s account in The Wars of the Jews:

“They had died in the belief that they had left not a soul of them alive to fall into Roman hands; The Romans advanced to the assault … seeing none of the enemy but on all sides the awful solitude, and flames within and silence, they were at al loss to conjecture what had happened here encountering the mass of slain, instead of exulting as over enemies, they admired the nobility of their resolve.”

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right the Romans seem a bit clueless like they couldnt put two and two together...of COURSE they killed themsleves how noble. Then they didnt have to fight them hooray. They must have really admired them.

If such nobility really transpired, wouldnt there have been a lot of Jews killing themselves before the Holocaust? Or was it they REALLY just put themselves in the ovens.
 

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Churches have unspoken rules, such as not visiting/going to other churches as the same time. My friend's father is a pastor and was told the pastor takes this personally, if people start visiting other churches. I went to a movie night at another church...and someone said to me oh, but you go to xyz church. This type of talk makes me feel uneasy.
When I was a young Christian in the USAF. I visited two Churches while looking for the Church I wanted to worship and fellowship at. The first one did not like how I was dressed -- it did not conform to their weird dress code. The other escorted me to the Pastor's class. I did not know their Sunday School started at 10:45. As I entered the room the Pastor berated me. I told him that I was not going to put up with his abuse. I left, the whole class also went out to the parking lot and left too. They wrote down my plate and one followed me to my barracks on base. Some made friends with me. Once I found the church I wanted to attend and become a member of. All of them joined me there.

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https://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/c/cult.asp
 

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right the Romans seem a bit clueless like they couldnt put two and two together...of COURSE they killed themsleves how noble. Then they didnt have to fight them hooray. They must have really admired them.

If such nobility really transpired, wouldnt there have been a lot of Jews killing themselves before the Holocaust? Or was it they REALLY just put themselves in the ovens.
Yes they did, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4880554/
https://www.mp.pl/auschwitz/journal/english/170046,suicide-in-the-nazi-concentration-camps

may not be related https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...notes-jews-left-after-kristallnacht-1.6635959
 

Lanolin

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thats a lot of cartoons lol

Im guessing the cartoonist used to be in a cult?

I wonder what the weird clothes they got people to wear were...I heard the mormons have some strange getups...business suits and sacred underwear....plus those plastic badges...
 

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thats a lot of cartoons lol

Im guessing the cartoonist used to be in a cult?

I wonder what the weird clothes they got people to wear were...I heard the Mormons have some strange get ups...business suits and sacred underwear....plus those plastic badges...
Something like this
 

Lanolin

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No that was their regular type outfit. I even seen them dressed like that on the way to church.
what, to bomb it?

They look hideous. A nuns outfit is more attractive than that get up.
 

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Pilates DID wash his hands of the crucifixtion though cos apparently the it was the Jews who demanded Jesus be crucified...not the Romans.

hmm though they used the cruel Roman method of execution, not stoning as was their own custom.
The Romans probably would've used lethal injection but they didn't have any needles.
 

Lanolin

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The Romans probably would've used lethal injection but they didn't have any needles.
I dont know, I think that wouldnt have been entertaining enough for them
Werent Romans the ones who fed christians to lions and liked to watch the bloodshed.
They had entire coliseeusms dedicated to gladiators who fought each other to death and people could watch for fun.


Nowadays people just watch other people kill each other on tv. Mostly on the news, but also movies. And people pay to see it.