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Do you know why Jesus had to physically resurrect? as a physical evidence for resurrection, if only His unseen soul resurrected, how would people believe in resurrection?
It doesn't mean that everybody else resurrects bodily (flesh & bones)- they are not the gospel so that people can believe in them, but Jesus was so that everything He did was evident.
Still, flesh and bones can not inherit the kingdom of God.
It doesn't mean that everybody else resurrects bodily (flesh & bones)- they are not the gospel so that people can believe in them, but Jesus was so that everything He did was evident.
Still, flesh and bones can not inherit the kingdom of God.
Jesus being the first born of resurrection has nothing to do with flesh and bones because as soon as Jesus died, the OT saints resurrected- if resurrection is about flesh and bones then Jesus can not be the first born of resurrection, the OT saints were. But resurrection is a spiritual thing because Jesus before He died, He promised the thief on the cross to be with Him that very day in paradise (even before His body was lowered and buried).
So Jesus is the first born of resurrection not because resurrection is about flesh and bones but because His spirit was victorious over death and so all others were made victorious too. The body thing was written just for your understanding but it seems you are more confused.
I can only imagine John the baptist carrying his head around in the streets of Jerusalem and he being the only saint that people would recognize because he lived among them. There was a 500 year gap between the other OT saints and Jesus.
So Jesus is the first born of resurrection not because resurrection is about flesh and bones but because His spirit was victorious over death and so all others were made victorious too. The body thing was written just for your understanding but it seems you are more confused.
I can only imagine John the baptist carrying his head around in the streets of Jerusalem and he being the only saint that people would recognize because he lived among them. There was a 500 year gap between the other OT saints and Jesus.
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It has everything to do with being raised bodily. Jesus was raised bodily and we His brethren will be raised likewise. As I showed you, we will be like Him. If we don't have a body, we are not like Him.
Resurrection involves the spirit and soul of man, as it is when he gets his resurrected body. And it is a physical body, even though it is for the spiritual world.
Jesus being the 'first born among many brethren' means all those who are resurrected are done so in accordance with Christ's resurrection. The Old Testament saints have not resurrected yet. Only those who were those mentioned in (Matt. 27:52), who were a kind of first fruits. But even their resurrection count wise would be in accordance to Christ's resurrection. He was the first born of many brethren.
No one said John the Baptist rose.
Quantrill
Resurrection involves the spirit and soul of man, as it is when he gets his resurrected body. And it is a physical body, even though it is for the spiritual world.
Jesus being the 'first born among many brethren' means all those who are resurrected are done so in accordance with Christ's resurrection. The Old Testament saints have not resurrected yet. Only those who were those mentioned in (Matt. 27:52), who were a kind of first fruits. But even their resurrection count wise would be in accordance to Christ's resurrection. He was the first born of many brethren.
No one said John the Baptist rose.
Quantrill
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How can the thief on the cross get raised and John the baptist left? i know he was the least in the kingdom but let's get serious.
Jesus is called the firstborn from resurrection- you need to address why He is referred to this title if He was not the first to be resurrected bodily. Christ was resurrected bodily after 3 days, the OT saints were resurrected the same day Christ died.
Isa 26:
19But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.
20Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
21See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed on it;
the earth will conceal its slain no longer.
Isaiah prophesied about resurrection, the raised were told to lock themselves in their rooms until the wrath of God has passed;
Q. Which rooms are these and where are these rooms? are they on earth or heaven?
Jesus is called the firstborn from resurrection- you need to address why He is referred to this title if He was not the first to be resurrected bodily. Christ was resurrected bodily after 3 days, the OT saints were resurrected the same day Christ died.
Isa 26:
19But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.
20Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
21See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed on it;
the earth will conceal its slain no longer.
Isaiah prophesied about resurrection, the raised were told to lock themselves in their rooms until the wrath of God has passed;
Q. Which rooms are these and where are these rooms? are they on earth or heaven?
Neither have been raised yet.
Jesus is called the "first born among many brethren". I explained why He is called that. Because all who are resurrected will be done so in like manner. None who were resurrected went before Christ. Again, resurrection pertains to the body. The Old Testament saints are not yet resurrected.
Concerning (Is. 26), I don't know what you are trying to say.
Quantrill
Jesus is called the "first born among many brethren". I explained why He is called that. Because all who are resurrected will be done so in like manner. None who were resurrected went before Christ. Again, resurrection pertains to the body. The Old Testament saints are not yet resurrected.
Concerning (Is. 26), I don't know what you are trying to say.
Quantrill
I think it is important to understand that satan attacks God's Children through religions. That is to say, religious "voices" which use Part's of God's Word.
This is made evident in the first example given it it's deceit. The first thing satan did to Eve was Quote her own God. Not everything He said, only parts that it could use to deceive.
It used the same tactic on Jesus the Man.
Paul warned about satan disguising itself into "Ministers of Righteousness" and "Apostles of Christ". There can be no doubt that satan will use "Christianity" as a tool to deceive. The problem is that if a person is truly deceived, he is the one most convinced that he is not.
Deception isn't the real problem, we are all deceived in some fashion or another. It's staying in this condition that hurts us.
The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time, the Pharisees, were deceivers. They might not have believed they were, they didn't think they were, but they were.
When the Christ and His Apostles opened their own Bible and showed them in it where they had created their own religion, and were actually serving satan and not God, you would have thought they would have been thankful and repented in sack cloth and ashes. And some did. "Men and Brethren, what shall we do"? But most were offended in Him, got angry and placed Him on permanent ignore, or tried to at least.
There is no reason to assume satan has changed it's tactic today. That is why the Christ inspired us to "Come out of her".
The Christ gave us the way to be sure, and the Armor to resist the deceiver.
"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceeds from the Mouth of God".
Is. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
1 John 2:
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
It's not about a religious franchise, it's about denying our self and "following Him", and seeking others who are striving to do the same.
Matt. 10:
11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.
13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet
This is made evident in the first example given it it's deceit. The first thing satan did to Eve was Quote her own God. Not everything He said, only parts that it could use to deceive.
It used the same tactic on Jesus the Man.
Paul warned about satan disguising itself into "Ministers of Righteousness" and "Apostles of Christ". There can be no doubt that satan will use "Christianity" as a tool to deceive. The problem is that if a person is truly deceived, he is the one most convinced that he is not.
Deception isn't the real problem, we are all deceived in some fashion or another. It's staying in this condition that hurts us.
The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time, the Pharisees, were deceivers. They might not have believed they were, they didn't think they were, but they were.
When the Christ and His Apostles opened their own Bible and showed them in it where they had created their own religion, and were actually serving satan and not God, you would have thought they would have been thankful and repented in sack cloth and ashes. And some did. "Men and Brethren, what shall we do"? But most were offended in Him, got angry and placed Him on permanent ignore, or tried to at least.
There is no reason to assume satan has changed it's tactic today. That is why the Christ inspired us to "Come out of her".
The Christ gave us the way to be sure, and the Armor to resist the deceiver.
"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceeds from the Mouth of God".
Is. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
1 John 2:
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
It's not about a religious franchise, it's about denying our self and "following Him", and seeking others who are striving to do the same.
Matt. 10:
11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.
13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet
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I would offer. First of all one thing it is easy to forget that we are not what we will be.
In that way he sees us as a mother hen.( I would suggest not referring to His own self) But His bride called Jerusalem or Zion in respect to the heavenly Jerusalem the city prepared as His bride. Signified by the new name he name his bride "Christian" .A word when defined with no other meaning attached that means; "residents of the City of Christ", inspect our husband the founder.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
The church is the bride or wife of Christ, our husband .It is He that gathers us together like a mother hen called a assembly or a church . This is when two or three are gathered together under the hearing of His eternal word or when two or three thousand gather together under the same authority. In that way there is no such thing as non-denomination. The kingdom of God does not come by observation. The kingdoms or denominations of this world will become one bride in the new.
God who is typified after the name Abraham fits the description of the word .The father of many nations, where we get the word denomination or sect. She is shown as a mystery below
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed 1 Corinthians 15:51 -52
Twice to emphasize the truth he mentions all shall be changed (no longer male nor female Jew nor Gentile)
She is not what she will be when all receive the promise, a new incorruptible body in the new heavens and earth . She right from the beginning is shown as two made of one creation mankind (male and female).This is unlike the other beasts of the field made up of the dust of the field. He made them male as one creation, and female as another to be used in ceremonial laws (clean unclean) to preach the gospel the suffering of Christ our bloody husband because of circumcision beforehand and the glory to follow. The first resurrection.
In the new heavens and earth two male and female, literally will become one body as His goal from the beginging .
We receive the good news through the ceremonial laws as shadow that point toward the true substance, Christ our bloody husband. Also shown twice to emphasize His truth .
Exodus 4:24-26 King James Version (KJV) And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.
Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.
The bride of Christ in Galatians is reckoned as the mother hen of us all, as a new creation. Again not what we are but what we will be in the new heavens and earth.
Paul is shown being used that way as a surrogate mother holding out the gospel of Christ the incorruptible seed by which all are born from above .Giving us a new spirit and new heart that will rise on the last day as his bride. Therefore Paul is shown as a mother hen suffering as in birth pains until Christ forms his desires in us.
Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Therefore fulfilling the goal of Christ our husband like that of Timothy as a new creature to Christ our husband, a chaste virgin bride who has not fornicated with the god or gods of this world .But rather obeyed the first commandment.... have no other gods before our living God Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
The first apostle Abel as one sent of God acted as a surrogate mother and was killed by his brother Cain. Cain a beast of the field was then marked as one who refused to hear the gospel. He would receive no sabbath rest from his work all the days of His life as a restless wanderer because he hardened his heart after hearing the gospel. Not mixing faith the unseen in what he did hear showing himself to be a fool. No God in his heart and thoughts. (no faith)
There are many antichrists today as there was in the time the new testament was written .They are identified as those who say we do need and man seen called a daysman (a fleshly mediator) who is considered infallible as set to umpire between God and man to teach us .Therefore blaspheming the Holy name of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God, our Teacher, comforter, guide who does bring to our minds that which he has taught us .
The reformation has come signaling the last days or last time. The shadows used in the previous time period (Kings and fathers) as a parable represented by the ceremonial laws had served there temporal purpose of preaching the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ our bloody husband beforehand.
1 John 2:18- 27 King James Version (KJV) Little children, it is the "last time": and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the "last time". They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto "you" concerning them that seduce "you". But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him
Today many denomination espouse they are waiting for the antichrist to appear before they will believe. Not mixing faith in what they do hear coming from the word of God. He will come as a thief in the night to them. We have the privilege to watch not knowing the time, hour day or year.
In that way he sees us as a mother hen.( I would suggest not referring to His own self) But His bride called Jerusalem or Zion in respect to the heavenly Jerusalem the city prepared as His bride. Signified by the new name he name his bride "Christian" .A word when defined with no other meaning attached that means; "residents of the City of Christ", inspect our husband the founder.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
The church is the bride or wife of Christ, our husband .It is He that gathers us together like a mother hen called a assembly or a church . This is when two or three are gathered together under the hearing of His eternal word or when two or three thousand gather together under the same authority. In that way there is no such thing as non-denomination. The kingdom of God does not come by observation. The kingdoms or denominations of this world will become one bride in the new.
God who is typified after the name Abraham fits the description of the word .The father of many nations, where we get the word denomination or sect. She is shown as a mystery below
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed 1 Corinthians 15:51 -52
Twice to emphasize the truth he mentions all shall be changed (no longer male nor female Jew nor Gentile)
She is not what she will be when all receive the promise, a new incorruptible body in the new heavens and earth . She right from the beginning is shown as two made of one creation mankind (male and female).This is unlike the other beasts of the field made up of the dust of the field. He made them male as one creation, and female as another to be used in ceremonial laws (clean unclean) to preach the gospel the suffering of Christ our bloody husband because of circumcision beforehand and the glory to follow. The first resurrection.
In the new heavens and earth two male and female, literally will become one body as His goal from the beginging .
We receive the good news through the ceremonial laws as shadow that point toward the true substance, Christ our bloody husband. Also shown twice to emphasize His truth .
Exodus 4:24-26 King James Version (KJV) And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.
Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.
The bride of Christ in Galatians is reckoned as the mother hen of us all, as a new creation. Again not what we are but what we will be in the new heavens and earth.
Paul is shown being used that way as a surrogate mother holding out the gospel of Christ the incorruptible seed by which all are born from above .Giving us a new spirit and new heart that will rise on the last day as his bride. Therefore Paul is shown as a mother hen suffering as in birth pains until Christ forms his desires in us.
Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Therefore fulfilling the goal of Christ our husband like that of Timothy as a new creature to Christ our husband, a chaste virgin bride who has not fornicated with the god or gods of this world .But rather obeyed the first commandment.... have no other gods before our living God Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
The first apostle Abel as one sent of God acted as a surrogate mother and was killed by his brother Cain. Cain a beast of the field was then marked as one who refused to hear the gospel. He would receive no sabbath rest from his work all the days of His life as a restless wanderer because he hardened his heart after hearing the gospel. Not mixing faith the unseen in what he did hear showing himself to be a fool. No God in his heart and thoughts. (no faith)
There are many antichrists today as there was in the time the new testament was written .They are identified as those who say we do need and man seen called a daysman (a fleshly mediator) who is considered infallible as set to umpire between God and man to teach us .Therefore blaspheming the Holy name of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God, our Teacher, comforter, guide who does bring to our minds that which he has taught us .
The reformation has come signaling the last days or last time. The shadows used in the previous time period (Kings and fathers) as a parable represented by the ceremonial laws had served there temporal purpose of preaching the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ our bloody husband beforehand.
1 John 2:18- 27 King James Version (KJV) Little children, it is the "last time": and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the "last time". They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto "you" concerning them that seduce "you". But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him
Today many denomination espouse they are waiting for the antichrist to appear before they will believe. Not mixing faith in what they do hear coming from the word of God. He will come as a thief in the night to them. We have the privilege to watch not knowing the time, hour day or year.
Matt 27:
45From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. 46About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, c lemasabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). d
47When some of those standing there heard this, they said, “He’s calling Elijah.”
48Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. 49The rest said, “Now leave him alone. Let’s see if Elijah comes to save him.”
50And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and e went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
54When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”
It is right there highlighted for you- Jesus resurrected immediately after He died because He has power that death can not withstand and with the same power, He brings all those who are asleep in Him. same thing with us today, if we die, there's no waiting, we shall be raised- as Paul put it, to be absent in the body is to be present in the Lord.
45From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. 46About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, c lemasabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). d
47When some of those standing there heard this, they said, “He’s calling Elijah.”
48Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. 49The rest said, “Now leave him alone. Let’s see if Elijah comes to save him.”
50And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and e went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
54When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”
It is right there highlighted for you- Jesus resurrected immediately after He died because He has power that death can not withstand and with the same power, He brings all those who are asleep in Him. same thing with us today, if we die, there's no waiting, we shall be raised- as Paul put it, to be absent in the body is to be present in the Lord.
Matt 27:
50And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and e went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
Jesus is our example, He resurrected immediately after He died as per the above passage. Means that resurrection is spiritual rather than physical. Jesus had to resurrect bodily after 3 days to fulfill prophesy but mainly for evidence purposes- something that people could see and believe in Him. There's absolutely no reason for the rest of men to be raised physically.
50And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and e went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
Jesus is our example, He resurrected immediately after He died as per the above passage. Means that resurrection is spiritual rather than physical. Jesus had to resurrect bodily after 3 days to fulfill prophesy but mainly for evidence purposes- something that people could see and believe in Him. There's absolutely no reason for the rest of men to be raised physically.
I haven't had enough coffee yet, so let me try to get this all straight:
A. The OP doesn't believe Christians should assemble (something which is explicitly commanded).
B. The OP doesn't believe Christians have been given any teachers or shepherds since the 1st century (something which is clearly contrary to scripture).
Not only is this contrary to clear scripture, but it can also be disproven both historically and philosophically.
Not to mention... the OP's own view SPECIFICALLY PREVENTS HIM FROM SPEAKING WITH ANY AUTHORITY HIMSELF.
If the view of OP is correct, then his own view necessitates that the most authority he can ever claim for himself is that he's just one guy with an "opinion" who happens to be going on about it... and that therefore, he certainly shouldn't be taken any more seriously than the preponderance of actual Biblical scholars with opposing views.
C. The OP now says there is no physical resurrection of the dead (something which Paul specifically spoke against, and which he explained very specifically and thoroughly, because there were people called Sadducees who had the same erroneous views as the OP, whom Paul had to correct over and over).
Did I get it all?
Did I miss anything?
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The Lord is here at all times, wherever two or three are gathered together in His name (Matthew 18:20).
It makes me wonder what the sign of the Lord coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory means, when He is already here (Matthew 24:30), and with His power manifesting itself from time to time currently.
Mattherw 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
It makes me wonder what the sign of the Lord coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory means, when He is already here (Matthew 24:30), and with His power manifesting itself from time to time currently.
Mattherw 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
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You have clearly mistaken me for Maverick and my views for Maverick's, a mistake that you have been forgiven.
The second time you are claiming "...can be disproven both historically and philosophically..." . A verse was quoted earlier that you never minded to explain:
Jer 31:
31“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to d them, e ”
declares the Lord.
33“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
This is the right time for you to explain this prophesy in light of today's assemblies. Did God mean it or was He playing?
The second time you are claiming "...can be disproven both historically and philosophically..." . A verse was quoted earlier that you never minded to explain:
Jer 31:
31“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to d them, e ”
declares the Lord.
33“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
This is the right time for you to explain this prophesy in light of today's assemblies. Did God mean it or was He playing?