Churches of Christ with or without instruments, which is the right way to worship?

Shava · Mar 20, 2014

I urge you to read the N.T. and carefully see what it says on how to worship, and I can guarantee you will end up at the Church of Christ. Just concentrate on one thing at a time and compare to the ways other churches worship and the Church of Christ. If the bible tells you, for instance that you are to believe and be baptized to be saved, then that's the way you're suppose to do it. Bible tells us to sing only, and this is a command, so we know we must do it. Just take your time and read the N.T. and you will see what exactly makes the true church.

Timeline · Mar 21, 2014

Elizabeth619 said:

Eating or not eating certain foods and observation of days were both mentioned in the Law. Instrumental music was never in the law that I am aware of. There is a lot of rules and requirements given in the Law so I could have missed it. I beg all of those involved in this matter to pray about it and stop bothering the one that believes differently. Instrumental music is not a salvation issue and in my opinion shouldn't be an issue at all (outside of it interfering with our worship, ie. loud, obnoxious).

As I said earlier, I was raised in the Church of Christ and have heard the "heart" verse a thousand times. But you can worship with your heart, your mouth, and an instrument.

Timeline · Mar 21, 2014

I will not be trying to get instrumental music in my church because I don't believe that it is required, I am happy without it, and it would just cause division.

Timeline · Mar 21, 2014

Shava said:

The verses that you listed do not, in my opinion, forbid instruments. I am not trying to change your mind, but I do not believe that there is anything to be gained from attacking those that use instruments.

Shava · Mar 21, 2014

Timeline said:

If instruments in worship are not commanded and singing is, then by using them would be a sin, that's why I try to explain why you shouldn't use them, and show them the command for singing only . If someone is sinning you should care for that person to show why they are sinning and show them and explain to them to get them back on the right road. Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16 are pretty much accepted for there meaning, which is a command for singing. Have you ever seen Jesus or the Apostles use instruments in the N.T.? No where in the N.T. are instruments authorized by Jesus who has all authority and if that being true, which it is, that means the command I mentioned as you can read both say they were authorized by Jesus. The O.T. and Revelation have nothing to do with authorization in the Christian era in which we are in, so authorization must come from Jesus in this era.

Shava · Mar 21, 2014

Timeline said:

Just look
at the example of the Churches of Christ that have gone to using instruments now, this has caused division among the Churches of Christ, and how sad it is to see it happen.

posthuman · Mar 21, 2014

KSublett said:

come now, we know you are making this stuff up, and it's not found in God's word. how thin will you stretch the scripture to fit it over your human tradition?

have you been to a church that has a pipe organ or a piano? do you honestly think the Word isn't taught there?

if "burden" singularly means 'avoiding giving out the Word of God' why does the prophet call the Word of God

"the burden of Babylon"
(Isaiah 13)

"the burden of Damascus"
(Isaiah 17)

"the burden of Egypt"
(Isaiah 19)

see how "burden" here refers to judgement?

lay down your judgement at the cross.

posthuman · Mar 21, 2014

maybe it would be better if you clearly tell us,
at what point in my singing praise to God do i fall into wickedness?

if i sing with tremolo? if i shout? what decibel level becomes sin?

if i clap my hands, am i then a sinner?

how about if i let my hand fall on the pew in front of me, keeping rhythm, and it makes a noise - is that wickedness?

if i were to tap my foot, is it detestable? what if the floor below me is hollow, and i take a step, and it sounds like a drum? is the thanksgiving in my heart unacceptable at that point?

is it blasphemy to whistle? to draw out the syllables of "Gloria in Excelsis Deo" ?

is it permissible to hum?

if i sing "Oh Praise Him!" while i hold a horn near my mouth, how close to my lips full of praise can i bring the horn before God is displeased?

posthuman · Mar 21, 2014

Timeline said:

this is convicting and wise. thank you.

i don't care if you ring a bell or employ a symphony when you praise God, or if you sing without even the noise of birds and wind beside you, or simply mouth a word of blessing in absolute silence. that Christ is lifted up; that is everything.

i'm sorry if i am sharp. i just hate the Word of God being twisted, disregarded and misused, and the only reason i post here is for the sake of truth and the conscience of my weaker brothers and sisters, that they aren't led astray by false teachings.

Shava · Mar 21, 2014

posthuman said:

maybe it would be better if you clearly tell us,
at what point in my singing praise to God do i fall into wickedness?

if i sing with tremolo? if i shout? what decibel level becomes sin?

if i clap my hands, am i then a sinner?

how about if i let my hand fall on the pew in front of me, keeping rhythm, and it makes a noise - is that wickedness?

if i were to tap my foot, is it detestable? what if the floor below me is hollow, and i take a step, and it sounds like a drum? is the thanksgiving in my heart unacceptable at that point?

is it blasphemy to whistle? to draw out the syllables of "Gloria in Excelsis Deo" ?

is it permissible to hum?

if i sing "Oh Praise Him!" while i hold a horn near my mouth, how close to my lips full of praise can i bring the horn before God is displeased?

God's will is to sing only.

KSublett · Mar 21, 2014

Isa 13:1 THE burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
Isa 13:2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.
Isa 13:3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.Isa 13:4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the Lord of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.

ŏnus (in good MSS. also wr. hŏnus ), ĕris, n. etym. dub.; cf. Sanscr. anas, a wagon for freight, I.a load, burden (cf. pondus).
I. Lit.
A. In gen.: “oneris maximi pondus,” Vitr. 10, 8: “onus sustinere,” Plaut. As. 3, 3, 68: “cum gravius dorso subiit onus (asellus), Hor S. 1, 9, 20: tanti oneris turris,” Caes. B. G. 2, 30: ad minimum redigi onus, Ov M. 14, 149.—
B. In partic.
1. Of goods, baggage, etc., a load, lading, freight, cargo: “insula Delos, quo omnes undique cum mercibus atque oneribus commeabant,” Cic. Imp. Pomp. 18, 55: “onera afferuntur,” Plin. 6, 23, 26, § 104: “(naves) ad onera et ad multitudinem jumentorum transportandam paulo latiores,” Caes. B. G. 5, 1, 2: “jumentis onera deponere,” loads, packs, id. B. C. 1, 80.—
2. Poet., the burden of the womb, the fœtus, embryo: “gravidi ventris,” Ov. Am. 2, 13, 1; id. F. 2, 452; id. H. 4, 58; Phaedr. 1, 18, 5. —
3. The excrements: “ciborum onera reddere,” Plin. 8, 27, 41, § 97: “duri ventris solvere,” Mart. 13, 29, 2.—
II. Trop
A. A burden, in respect of property, i. e. a tax or an expense (usually in the plur.): “municipium maximis oneribus pressum,” Cic. Fam. 13, 7, 2: “haec onera in dites a pauperibus inclinata,” Liv. 1, 43: “patria,” Suet. Calig. 42: “haerere in explicandis oneribus,” id. Dom. 12 init.: “oneribus novis turbantur provinciae,” Tac. A. 4, 6.—
B. A load, burden, weight, charge, trouble, difficulty of any kind (so most freq. in Cic.; cf. molestia): magni sunt oneris; “quicquid imponas, vehunt,” capable of bearing great burdens, Plaut. Most. 3, 2, 95: “quae (senectus) plerisque senibus sic odiosa est, ut onus se Aetnā gravius dicant sustinere,” Cic. Sen. 2, 4: “onus atque munus magnum,” id. de Or. 1, 25, 116: “hoc onus si vos adlevabitis,” id. Rosc. Am. 4, 10: “officii,” id. ib.: “probandi,” the burden of proof, obligation to prove, Dig. 31, 1, 22; Cic. Rep. 1, 23, 37: “oneri esse,” to be a burden, Liv. 23, 43; Vulg. 2 Reg. 15, 33: “neque eram nescius, quantis oneribus premerere susceptarum rerum,” Cic. Fam. 5, 12, 2: “epici carminis onera lyrā sustinere,” Quint. 10, 1, 62.—
......sustĭnĕo .“flumina Threiciā lyrā,” Prop. 3, 2, 2 “se ab omni assensu,” i. e. to refrain, ..... Impure Threskia was invented by Orpheus "that Thracian." Pure Religion is James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
C. (Eccl. Lat.) The burden of a prophecy, the woes predicted against any one: “Babylonis,” Vulg. Isa. 13, 1: “Tyri,” id. ib. 23, 1.—With subj.gen.: “Domini,” Vulg. Jer. 23, 33: “verbi Domini,” id. Zach. 12, 1.

KSublett · Mar 21, 2014

Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. Psalm 46:10
But the Lord of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness. Psalm 5:16
Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself Isaiah 33:10 (But) Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you. Isaiah 33:11 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire. Isaiah 33:12 Hear, ye that are far off, what I have done; and, ye that are near, acknowledge my might. Isaiah 33:13

"From (the Ugaritic text) come references to a class of Temple personnel designated by the term serim, who exercised functions similar to those of the Hebrew singers during the monarchy and later times. Some of the servants of David who were designated in 1 Kings 4:31 by (a) term meaning 'aboriginal' or 'native sons,' and who possessed Canaanite names such as Heman, Chalcol, and Darda, were engaged in various forms of musical activity. As such they were described by the phrase 'sons of Mahol,'

a Hebrew term closely related to (the Greek),used of a semi-circular area in which the Greek chorus danced, and meaning 'members of the orchestral guild.' A further reflection of this musical interest became apparent when Megiddo was excavated and the treasure room of the royal palace was uncovered. From this area was recovered a plaque inlaid with ivory, depicting a royal personage seated on a throne. He was drinking from a small bowl, and was being entertained by a court musician who stood before him plucking the strings of a lyre." (Harrison, R. K., Introduction to the Old Testament, Eerdmans, p. 335, see p. 411).

"Today, this music and dance festival is understood as the one remnant of the old Canaanitefertility rituals, which, in the monotheistic pseudomorphosis of the temple ceremonies, was to ensure an abundant crop of plants, animals, and even human beings." (Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, p. 463

"The instruments were used as worship to God and to give glory and elat to the earthly kingdom. They were tolerated by God as were many other things during this period, that he did not approve. The establishment of the kingdom itself was an act of rebellion against God" (David Lipscomb, Queries and Answers, pp. 226, 227, and Gospel Advocate, 1899, pp. 376, 377).

"Sometimes religion produces suggestive rituals shared by a community to create an atmosphere useful for uplifting one's thoughts and coming to one's senses. There are those who cannot do without such forms of worship. Where, however, the form takes the place of meditation, or conditions it; where human words prevail over the Spirit.. then we are no longer in the presence of true religion.

"The one who uses colours and sounds and forms and movements and other gifts of God under the illusion of creating a stairway to heavenout of his own resources can, even involuntarily and in good faith, be raising an invisible barrier between humanity and God himself. (Davide Melodia, The Lord of Silence)

Music from "mystery" MEANS to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter: the Levites did that to Jesus to fulfill the prophecy of MOCKING or trying to triumph over Jesus (Psalm 41) by Judas.

In Romans 15 where Areskos or Placeo forbids all performance roles the way to glorify or PRAISE God is to "speak that which is written for our learning" or "Scripture for our Comfort" meaning the instrumental means of the Paraklete

posthuman · Mar 21, 2014

KSublett said:

ŏnus (in good MSS. also wr. hŏnus ), ĕris, n. etym. dub.; cf. Sanscr. anas, a wagon for freight, I.a load, burden (cf. pondus).
I. Lit.
A. In gen.: “oneris maximi pondus,” Vitr. 10, 8: “onus sustinere,” Plaut. As. 3, 3, 68: “cum gravius dorso subiit onus (asellus), Hor S. 1, 9, 20: tanti oneris turris,” Caes. B. G. 2, 30: ad minimum redigi onus, Ov M. 14, 149.—
B. In partic.
1. Of goods, baggage, etc., a load, lading, freight, cargo: “insula Delos, quo omnes undique cum mercibus atque oneribus commeabant,” Cic. Imp. Pomp. 18, 55: “onera afferuntur,” Plin. 6, 23, 26, § 104: “(naves) ad onera et ad multitudinem jumentorum transportandam paulo latiores,” Caes. B. G. 5, 1, 2: “jumentis onera deponere,” loads, packs, id. B. C. 1, 80.—
2. Poet., the burden of the womb, the fœtus, embryo: “gravidi ventris,” Ov. Am. 2, 13, 1; id. F. 2, 452; id. H. 4, 58; Phaedr. 1, 18, 5. —
3. The excrements: “ciborum onera reddere,” Plin. 8, 27, 41, § 97: “duri ventris solvere,” Mart. 13, 29, 2.—
II. Trop
A. A burden, in respect of property, i. e. a tax or an expense (usually in the plur.): “municipium maximis oneribus pressum,” Cic. Fam. 13, 7, 2: “haec onera in dites a pauperibus inclinata,” Liv. 1, 43: “patria,” Suet. Calig. 42: “haerere in explicandis oneribus,” id. Dom. 12 init.: “oneribus novis turbantur provinciae,” Tac. A. 4, 6.—
B. A load, burden, weight, charge, trouble, difficulty of any kind (so most freq. in Cic.; cf. molestia): magni sunt oneris; “quicquid imponas, vehunt,” capable of bearing great burdens, Plaut. Most. 3, 2, 95: “quae (senectus) plerisque senibus sic odiosa est, ut onus se Aetnā gravius dicant sustinere,” Cic. Sen. 2, 4: “onus atque munus magnum,” id. de Or. 1, 25, 116: “hoc onus si vos adlevabitis,” id. Rosc. Am. 4, 10: “officii,” id. ib.: “probandi,” the burden of proof, obligation to prove, Dig. 31, 1, 22; Cic. Rep. 1, 23, 37: “oneri esse,” to be a burden, Liv. 23, 43; Vulg. 2 Reg. 15, 33: “neque eram nescius, quantis oneribus premerere susceptarum rerum,” Cic. Fam. 5, 12, 2: “epici carminis onera lyrā sustinere,” Quint. 10, 1, 62.—
......sustĭnĕo .“flumina Threiciā lyrā,” Prop. 3, 2, 2 “se ab omni assensu,” i. e. to refrain, ..... Impure Threskia was invented by Orpheus "that Thracian." Pure Religion is James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
C. (Eccl. Lat.) The burden of a prophecy, the woes predicted against any one: “Babylonis,” Vulg. Isa. 13, 1: “Tyri,” id. ib. 23, 1.—With subj.gen.: “Domini,” Vulg. Jer. 23, 33: “verbi Domini,” id. Zach. 12, 1.

none of this, even the parts that have zero contextual relationship to the scripture, says anything about a burden being "replacing the Word of God with their own songs and commandments so that they don't have to teach the Word of God"

and none of it has anything to do with music.

don't you understand? you don't have to struggle under it anymore. you could never bear the weight in the first place.
let go. effatha!

Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved
(Psalm 55:22)

posthuman · Mar 21, 2014

The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day:
the father to the children shall make known thy truth.
The LORD was ready to save me:
therefore we will sing my songs to the stringed instruments all the days of our life in the house of the LORD.

(Isaiah 38:19-20)

posthuman · Mar 21, 2014

Shava said:

For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace:
the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
(Isaiah 55:12)

how do the mountains sing?
how is it the trees are not condemned for clapping their hands with joy at the coming of the King?

what instrument is made that isn't formed from the parts of the mountains and trees?

will you forbid God's own creation from praising Him? let the lute and the lyre and the tin whistle sing!

go out with joy, you children of God! let every echo of your movement be the sound of rejoicing!

KSublett · Mar 21, 2014

When I hear my trees singing and clapping their hands I turn on the weather station radar and may head for the basement. Enoch noted that trees obey God's will but men had rather sing and play and he said that God will come with ten thousand of His saints-angels (Jude).

Is. 39:3 Then came Isaiah the prophet unto king Hezekiah, and said unto him,
.....What said these men? and from whence came they unto thee?
.....And Hezekiah said, They are come from a far country unto me, even from Babylon.

Is. 39:4 Then said he, What have they seen in thine house?
.....And Hezekiah answered, All that is in MINE HOUSEhave they seen:
.....there is nothing among MY treasures that I have not shewed them.

Gee, I was so impressed that I gave the spy the password to my secret plans at the defense department.

Is. 39:5 Then said Isaiah to Hezekiah, Hear the word of the LORD of hosts:

THE SPIES CAME AND OLD HEZEKIAH (Kings were given in God's Anger) and he took him INSIDE of his own Mega Church House

Is. 39:6 Behold, the days come, that all that is in THINE house,
.....and that which thy fathers have laid up in store until this day,
.....shall be carried to Babylon: nothing shall be left, saith the LORD.
Is. 39:7 And of thy sons that shall issue from thee, which thou shalt beget,
.....shall they take away; and they shall be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon.

Oh goodie: let everyone else suffer as long as I can lie around and play harps!

Is. 39:8 Then said Hezekiah to Isaiah,
..... .....Good is the word of the LORD which thou hast spoken.
.... .....He said moreover, For there shall be peace and truth in MY DAYS

JFB 6. days come-one hundred twenty years afterwards. This is the first intimation that the Jews would be carried to Babylon-the first designation of their place of punishment. The general prophecy of Moses (Le 26:33; De 28:64); the more particular one of Ahijah in Jeroboam's time (1Ki 14:15), "beyond the river"; and of Am 5:27, "captivity beyond Damascus"; are now concentrated in this specific one as to "Babylon" (Mic 4:10). It was an exact retribution in kind, that as Babylon had been the instrument of Hezekiah and Judah's sin, so also it should be the instrument of their punishment.
7 And of thy sons that shall issue from thee, which thou shalt beget, shall they take away; and they shall be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon.
7. sons . from thee-The sons which Hezekiah (as Josephus tells us) wished to have (see on [777] Isa 28:3, on "wept sore") will be among the foremost in suffering.

That's okey dokey with me just as long as I DON'T HAVE TO stop playing instruments. Before I quite playing and sanging and clapping there will be 10 Billion people we didn't GO to but THAT'S OKEY DOKEY with me because I can attract a hundred more people if I LIE AROUND SANGING AND CLANGING in MY days. What are the 10 Billion to ME. I think this can be turned into a praise song. Please don't steal it:

That's okey dokey with me
That's okey dokey with me
That's okey dokey with me-eeeee uh
That's uh okey dokey with me

Repeat ten times.

KSublett · Mar 21, 2014

Isaiah 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money;
.....come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Isaiah 55:2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not?
.....hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
Isaiah 55:3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: HEAR, and your soul shall live;
.....and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
Isaiah 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.
Isaiah 55:5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not,
.....and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel;
.....for he hath glorified thee.
Isaiah 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts:
.....and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God,
.....for he will abundantly pardon.
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways,
.....and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven,
.....and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud,
.....that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word [Dabar-Logos] be that goeth forth out of my mouth:
.....Father things, Father breathes (spirit), WORD goeth forth
.....it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please,
..........and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Isaiah 55:12 For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace:
.....the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing,
.....[creaking, shrill, shouting outlawed for the Qahal or synagogue]]
.....and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
Isaiah 55:13 Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree,
.....and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree:
.....and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.

posthuman · Mar 21, 2014

KSublett said:

if you can read this, and think that it says the creation singing and clapping their hands is sinful,
then you truly are blinded. go back to Isaiah 38:19-20 and see what the same prophet says about singing and playing an instrument of strings in the Lord's temple.

praise God, His mercy is everlasting!
if you really are 83 years old, and that isn't also a lie, then the Lord's patience is indeed great, as He has suffered you to live so many years.

what has been highlighted in purple is a good example of adding to the Word what isn't there. may God continue to be merciful to you.

KSublett · Mar 21, 2014

There is no command, example or remote inference in the Bible or church history until after the Reformation of singing as a ACT of liturgy with or without instruments. ALL of the examples condemning instruments have to be DISCOUNTED and trumped to think that any performance role has any place in A SCHOOL OF THE WORD. Churches of Christ have NEVER used instruments defined as "machines for doing hard work" and do not need to justify NOT being forced to do what they have NEVER done by direct command from the Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness.

God hides, says Jesus, from the WISE or SOPHISTS meaning rhetorical speakers, singers or instrument players.

Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: in Ezekiel 33 Christ named entertainment speakers, singers and instrument players.
Jesus said the doctors of the law (Scribes) take away the key to knowledge.

It is true: God hath not said "thou shalt not be a Sophist" and God hath not said "thou shall not be a hypocrite." However, the Greek text, in blue, defines a hypocrite as a actor, singer, instrument player, actor.

No one has said God can use any human talent as the WORKS OF HUMAN HANDS. We are not squirt guns but blotters quiet and passive and reverent because God is a Consuming Fire Heb 12.

Isaiah 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts:
......but [which means] they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands.

Instruments INTEND to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter: it works

Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people are gone into captivity,
......because they have no knowledge:
......and their honourable men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst.
Is. 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure:
......and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth,
......shall descend into it
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Revelling:

kōmos , A. revel, carousal, merry-making, “eis daita thaleian kai khoron himeroenta kai es philokudea k.” h.Merc.481, cf. Thgn.829, 940; “pinein kai kōmō khrasthai” Hdt.1.21, cf. E.Alc.804, etc.; “kōmoi kaieuphrosunai” B.10.12; “deipna kai sun aulētrisi kōmoi” Pl.Tht.173d; “heortai kai k.” Id.R.573d; en kōmō einai, of a city, X.Cyr.7.5.25; “erkhesthai tisin epi kōmon” Id.Smp.2.1; “epi kōmon badizein” Ar.Pl.1040; esp. in honour of gods, tois en astei Dionusioishēpompē. . kai ho k.D. 21.10, cf. IG2.971, etc.; kōmō thuramakhois te pugmakhiaisi Pratin.Lyr. 1.8; “khorois ē kōmois Huakinthou” E.Hel.1469 (lyr.).
II. the ode sung at one of these festive processions, Pi.P.8.20, 70, O.4.10, B.8.103; “meligaruōn tektones kōmōn” Pi.N.3.5, cf. Ar.Th.104, 988 (both lyr.).

Khoros II. choir, band of dancers and singers, h. Ven.118, Pi.N.5.23, Fr.199; “sumphōnia kai khoroi” Ev.Luc.15.25. III. place for dancing, III. place for dancing,

aul-ētris , idos, h(, A. flute-girl, Simon.178, Ar.Ach.551, X.HG2.2.23, Pl.Prt.347d,

Jesus cast the flute-girls out more or less violently.
Dem. 21 10 Now I want to read to you the next law as well, because it will illustrate to all of you the self-restraint of the citizens in general and the hardihood of the defendant. Read the law.“Law
Evegorus proposed that, on the occasion of the procession in honor of Dionysus in Peiraeus with the comedies and tragedies, the procession at the Lenaeum with the comedies and tragedies, the procession at the City Dionysia with the boys' contests and the revel and the comedies and tragedies. and also at the procession and contest of the Thargelia, i

Is. 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
Is. 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, [harps and lances]
......saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Is. 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming:
......it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth;
......it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
Is. 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we?
......art thou become like unto us?
Is. 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave,
......and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee,
...... and the worms [maggots] cover thee.
Is. 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
......how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Amos 8:3 And the songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord GOD:
......there shall be many dead bodies in every place;
......they shall cast them forth with silence.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land,
......not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
Amos 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east,
......they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

Hos. 4:5 Therefore shalt thou fall in the day,
......and the prophet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will destroy thy mother.
Hos. 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
......because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,
......that thou shalt be no priest to me:
......seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Why would anyone IMPOSE something not commanded and clearly repudiated knowing that the masses of population have no intention of PAYING to listen to not so talented musicians: I get my music watching parts Jimmy Swaggart and you can steal all of the music you wish without getting caught.

And knowing that recorded history associates all musical terms and names of instruments with soothsaying-sorcery (Miriam, Levites, Revelation 18) because the instrumental sounds were understood even by cave men as having the power to disable the rational and steal their lambs. Music hurts even when you get the "runner's high."

Shava · Mar 21, 2014

posthuman said:

You would be so much better off if you would take your COMMAND for singing only like we do, in the NEW TESTAMENT, where it's suppose to be, in order for it to be authorized BY Jesus Christ who must give his authorization for something to be used, and he does, Ephesians 5;19, Colossians 3;16.

Churches of Christ with or without instruments, which is the right way to worship?

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