Closing the Gap in Dispensationalism

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Dave-L

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reneweddaybyday said:
Yes ... how about Adam?

In your Post #30, you claim: "We choose precisely what God wants based on the reasons he places before us."

Did Adam "choose" what God wanted? If so, then God would not have command Adam to not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If Adam did not "choose" what God wanted, then your claim that "we choose precisely what God wants" is in error.


God created Adam in His own image (no sin). And God told Adam:

Genesis 2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


Why did Adam eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil after God told Adam thou shalt not eat of it?

If God did not want Adam to eat, then Adam did not "choose precisely as God wants".

If God did want Adam to eat, then Gen 2:17 is in error and God's Word is meaningless.


God knowing Adam would eat and God providing redemption for all mankind because of Adam's transgression is not the same as Adam choosing "precisely as God wants". Adam sinned of his own choice.

God allows mankind to resist Him ... to turn away from Him even as He is holding out His Hand to us and calling us to Himself.

We have this life only to not resist Him when He calls us. And God uses the foolishness of preaching to save ... faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. What do we do when we hear the word of God?

If we resist and suppress the truth in unrighteousness, we reap the consequences.

If we do not resist and do not suppress the truth in unrighteousness, we reap the blessings.
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Everything is exactly as God planned. Do you think he failed?
 
Dave-L

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Diakonos said:
Yes it is a challenge, but not impossible. That's why only few find the narrow gate that leads to life.

Are you saying that we have free will once we're saved?


Also, you still haven't answered y question in post #41:
"Do you think that "free willers" are wrong because we say "we chose God"? Does that seem to you like we are "doing something" to get saved?
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You have the salvation sequence backward. God must first save a person before they can stop hating him and start believing him, responding in love.
 
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Dave-L said:
How can you have faith if God fails in his plans?
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God’s longterm plan as outlined in Scripture will not fail, but we fail to carry out His plan for our life through sin and disobedience.
 
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John146 said:
God’s longterm plan as outlined in Scripture will not fail, but we fail to carry out His plan for our life through sin and disobedience.
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You are not considering the reasons why God created according to Paul. Learn that and you will learn why God created all that you see.
 
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Dave-L said:
God planned for both of us to believe just as we do.
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Not true.

1 Cor 1:10) Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment
 
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Dave-L said:
God planned for both of us to believe just as we do.
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Let’s take your view for a moment, shall we. In the future, you stop believing in Christ and walk away from the faith never to return. Would that be God’s plan for you?

One more question...why pray? If everything has already been determined, then why pray for a sick loved one?
 
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Washed said:
Not true.

1 Cor 1:10) Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment
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Wasn’t it God’s plan for those Corinthian believers to have divisions among them? To have strife? 🤓🤦‍♂️

Silly to think this way.
 
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John146 said:
Let’s take your view for a moment, shall we. In the future, you stop believing in Christ and walk away from the faith never to return. Would that be God’s plan for you?

One more question...why pray? If everything has already been determined, then why pray for a sick loved one?
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All that the Father has not planted shall be uprooted. Did you plant yourself? Or did God plant you?

Why pray? Because it aligns us with God's plans to provide what we pray for.
 
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Washed said:
Not true.

1 Cor 1:10) Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment
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We are not brethren.
 
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John146

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Dave-L said:
Why pray? Because it aligns us with God's plans to provide what we pray for.
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Isn’t it God’s plan for you to be aligned with Him anyway? According to you, it will happen with or without prayer.
 
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John146 said:
Isn’t it God’s plan for you to be aligned with Him anyway? According to you, it will happen with or without prayer.
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Why preach the gospel to a rock? The gospel causes us to move into position where God's provision meets with us.
 
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reneweddaybyday

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Dave-L said:
It's your misunderstanding of Christ's imputed righteousness to the believer who cannot be perfect without it.
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R-i-g-h-t ... it surely can't be your erroneous dogma (which cannot withstand scrutiny). :rolleyes:
 
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Washed said:
Stop being one.


God welcomes all who choose to believe.
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Choosing to believe = not believing. If you believe you don't need to force yourself to.
 
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