Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him

[Melach]

Let me ask you this, do you believe the following bolded portion refers to what takes place IN the tribulation period (as I do)? (or some other time, like, presently?):

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (note 10-12 especially, in bold) -

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with [/in] all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

i believe that will happen before Jesus' return. since Jesus will destroy that lawless one at His coming.

 

[Rasputin_OZ]

Perhaps the Great falling away is all the Rapture beleivers suffering and losing their faith when Jesus hasn't returned yet.

Perhaps those in 3rd world countries may think Tribulation is already here as they are persecuted and killed for their faith.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

i believe that will happen before Jesus' return. since Jesus will destroy that lawless one at His coming.

Sorry for my delay... I had to go get some CHOW (lol).

Okay, but when you say "before His return" (which I don't think anyone would argue with; I agree it will be before He comes [/"RETURNS"] to the earth--I just don't believe that the time-slot of His "return to the earth" is when our Rapture occurs [for sake of the readers], as you know), which of the following ideas is closest to what YOU mean?

By your saying, "before His/Jesus' return," which of the following do you mean? (can be more than one, if you wish):

[the bold in the previous post, in 2Th2:9-12, esp vv.10-12]

--ever since His ascension

--toward the end of "the Church which is His body's" existance on the earth (before our Rapture)

--during the 7-yr tribulation period, when "the man of sin" will be present [active] on the earth

--in the last half of the tribulation period, when Satan and his angels will thereafter be limited to the earthly sphere (Rev12:9,14,6), meaning, for the 2nd half of trib/=1260 days

--during the 7 Vials (the "COMPLETION" of His wrath [which I believe is in the latter portion of the 7 yrs--with a fair amount time yet, for those to unfold upon the earth])

--during the last 3 minutes before His return (possibly even after we are "caught-up-just-to-return" [which you say/are suggesting is on the last singular 24-hr day of the tribulation period, i.e. Rev19 context])

--other


Which of these do you mean? [in your words "BEFORE Jesus' return"]

 

[Melach]

Sorry for my delay... I had to go get some CHOW (lol).

Okay, but when you say "before His return" (which I don't think anyone would argue with; I agree it will be before He comes [/"RETURNS"] to the earth--I just don't believe that the time-slot of His "return to the earth" is when our Rapture occurs [for sake of the readers], as you know), which of the following ideas is closest to what YOU mean?

By your saying, "before His/Jesus' return," which of the following do you mean? (can be more than one, if you wish):

[the bold in the previous post, in 2Th2:9-12, esp vv.10-12]

--ever since His ascension

--toward the end of "the Church which is His body's" existance on the earth (before our Rapture)

--during the 7-yr tribulation period, when "the man of sin" will be present [active] on the earth

--in the last half of the tribulation period, when Satan and his angels will thereafter be limited to the earthly sphere (Rev12:9,14,6), meaning, for the 2nd half of trib/=1260 days

--during the 7 Vials (the "COMPLETION" of His wrath [which I believe is in the latter portion of the 7 yrs--with a fair amount time yet, for those to unfold upon the earth])

--during the last 3 minutes before His return (possibly even after we are "caught-up-just-to-return" [which you say/are suggesting is on the last singular 24-hr day of the tribulation period, i.e. Rev19 context])

--other


Which of these do you mean? [in your words "BEFORE Jesus' return"]

what i mean is the 1260 days before Jesus' return, assuming the days are literal.

 

[oyster67]

how can there be a pre-trib rapture since the wheat and weeds grow together until the end of the world? that would mean there is a separation before the end of the world

Is it possible that we are over-complicating things? It is needful for them to grow together until the wheat is mature. I believe this might be what harvest time is. I believe there are two parallel applications; one that applies to the Church Age (ending in rapture event), and one that applies to the Trib time. The Trib Saints could also be considered wheat, yes? Also consider that there are only 7 years separating the Rapture and the Second Coming. Could not both events be encompassed in this "End of Age" concept?

 

[Absolutely]

Noahs ark...he didnt rescue Noah, squireel him away somewhere dry and then send the flood. He actually built an ark that floated on top of the flood. They were in the flood! For 40 days and 40 nights!

Lot was living in sodom right up to the time of the destruction when the angels got them out! He didnt get Lot out years before and then send fire and brimstone. It was the same day.

Noah was in the clouds carried over a mile high via the tribulation below him. He and family were above the earth and returned AFTER the trib/flood.
Lot did not go through ANY judgement.

Post trib rapture model would need lot to return to the place where he Came out of and Noah to be caught up to heaven AFTER the flood

 

[Melach]

Sorry for my delay... I had to go get some CHOW (lol).

Okay, but when you say "before His return" (which I don't think anyone would argue with; I agree it will be before He comes [/"RETURNS"] to the earth--I just don't believe that the time-slot of His "return to the earth" is when our Rapture occurs [for sake of the readers], as you know), which of the following ideas is closest to what YOU mean?

By your saying, "before His/Jesus' return," which of the following do you mean? (can be more than one, if you wish):

[the bold in the previous post, in 2Th2:9-12, esp vv.10-12]

--ever since His ascension

--toward the end of "the Church which is His body's" existance on the earth (before our Rapture)

--during the 7-yr tribulation period, when "the man of sin" will be present [active] on the earth

--in the last half of the tribulation period, when Satan and his angels will thereafter be limited to the earthly sphere (Rev12:9,14,6), meaning, for the 2nd half of trib/=1260 days

--during the 7 Vials (the "COMPLETION" of His wrath [which I believe is in the latter portion of the 7 yrs--with a fair amount time yet, for those to unfold upon the earth])

--during the last 3 minutes before His return (possibly even after we are "caught-up-just-to-return" [which you say/are suggesting is on the last singular 24-hr day of the tribulation period, i.e. Rev19 context])

--other


Which of these do you mean? [in your words "BEFORE Jesus' return"]

do you believe Jesus will end sin when He returns?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

do you believe Jesus will end sin when He returns?

Do you recall what I'd put about the "G1534 - THEN" ("THEN the end, when") in 1 Corinthians 15:24, being a "SEQUENCE" word ONLY (with NO time-element attached)… wasn't that YOU I talked with?

So the mortals [the righteous only] who ENTER the earthly MK time period will go on to have children and grandchildren (and so forth) who are not "BORN automatically righteous"... and Jesus will be coming to rule and reign and that only the rebellious will DIE during the MK (DEATH will be much more rare in the MK time period), and dealt with swiftly.

So the SEQUENCE word in 1Cor15:24 is not saying "THEN IMMEDIATELY the end" but is showing that SEQUENTIALLY, this is the ORDER: "1) Christ firstfruit; 2) only afterward [after all that pertains to "firstfruit"] they that are Christ's at His coming [NOTE: these two items in the LIST are some 2000 yrs apart!]; 3) "THEN [SEQUENTIALLY] the end, when..." [there is NO PROBLEM with THIS item in the LIST to be 1000 yrs after the previous item in the LIST! because this is a SEQUENCE word, ONLY, with no time-element attached to it]

Does that help?


24 Then [G1534] cometh [cometh not in the text] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall

 

[Melach]

Do you recall what I'd put about the "G1534 - THEN" ("THEN the end, when") in 1 Corinthians 15:24, being a "SEQUENCE" word ONLY (with NO time-element attached)… wasn't that YOU I talked with?

So the mortals [the righteous only] who ENTER the earthly MK time period will go on to have children and grandchildren (and so forth) who are not "BORN automatically righteous"... and Jesus will be coming to rule and reign and that only the rebellious will DIE during the MK (DEATH will be much more rare in the MK time period), and dealt with swiftly.

So the SEQUENCE word in 1Cor15:24 is not saying "THEN IMMEDIATELY the end" but is showing that SEQUENTIALLY, this is the ORDER: "1) Christ firstfruit; 2) only afterward [after all that pertains to "firstfruit"] they that are Christ's at His coming [NOTE: these two items in the LIST are some 2000 yrs apart!]; 3) "THEN [SEQUENTIALLY] the end, when..." [there is NO PROBLEM with THIS item in the LIST to be 1000 yrs after the previous item in the LIST! because this is a SEQUENCE word, ONLY, with no time-element attached to it]

Does that help?


24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall

it helps. your answer is yes Jesus ends sin at his return, for a while, and then after a while, permanently.

 

[justpassinthrough]

“Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.” (NIV)

The scripture above is one of those highly controversial and misinterpreted scriptures which has led many to the belief that the coming of the Lord and our being gathered together to Him, as taking place during the day of the Lord when the apostasy takes place and after the man of lawlessness is revealed. While others believe that the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him (rapture) takes place prior to the apostasy and the revealing of the man of lawlessness. The purpose of this teaching is in support the latter.

The main reasons for the confusion and the misinterpretation are three fold:

1). The coming of our Lord and our being gathered together to Him

2). Not to become easily unsettled or alarmed

3). The Day of the Lord

Paul begins with “concerning the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him.” Then in verse 2 he segues referring to “the day of the Lord has already come.” As I said, this is apart of the problem in that, those who are reading the scripture are not recognizing Paul’s segue from the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him vs. the day of the Lord, which follows. Though they are in close proximity to one another, they are in fact two separate events.

The “coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him” is a blessed event when the dead in Christ are raised and when the living in Christ will be changed and caught up to meet the Lord in the air. In opposition, everywhere that we read about the “the day of the Lord” it is described as a time of wrath and fierce anger, a day of distress and anguish, of trouble and ruin, of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness. The first one that Paul mentions is a blessed event. While the second event, “the day of the Lord” will be the worst time in the history of the world. Which one of these events do you think Paul was attempting to comfort the Thessalonians about?

Therefore, the “coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him” vs. “the day of the Lord,” are closely related, yet two different events. In fact, the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him is what kicks off the day of the Lord. That is, once the Lord appears to gather the church, the day of the Lord follows, which is the time of God’s wrath. “That day will close on them like a trap and they will not escape.

So getting back to what I previously wrote, the error is not recognizing the difference between the coming of the Lord and our being gathered to Him vs. the day of the Lord which follows.

In support of this, I submit to you reason number 2, which is “to not to be easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching that the day of the Lord has already come.” In saying this, Paul is attempting to assure and comfort the Thessalonians and all believers that the day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath, has not yet come. However, if we read the scripture as some are interpreting it, i.e. the coming of our Lord and our being gathered together to Him as being synonymous with the day of the Lord, then they interpret the scripture in the following manner and I paraphrase:

“Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him has already come. 3Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.” (NIV)

This is how they are reading and interpreting it, which is the cause of the confusion and misinterpretation.

Now getting back to the support I spoke of, notice that Paul is attempting to assure and comfort the Thessalonians. Well, if Paul was telling them that the coming of the Lord and our being gathered together to Him will not take place until the apostasy occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed and I will insert the wrath of God, then those would not be words of comfort and assurance, but would rather cause the Thessalonians reason for being unsettled and alarmed, because Paul would be telling them that the Lord is not coming to gather them until after the apostasy and after the man of lawlessness is revealed and during the time of God’s wrath. Therefore, Paul’s words of comfort would be in vain if that is what he was telling them.

In conclusion, it is a simple matter of recognizing Paul’s segue from “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him vs. the day of the Lord. The Lord’s coming and our being gathered to Him is an event which takes place first, with the day of the Lord to follow. It is the day of the Lord, the time of God’s wrath, which Paul is reassuring the Thessalonians hasn’t begun yet. Below then is the chronological order of this scripture:

• The coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him
• The day of the Lord, which follows and is the time when the apostasy and the revealing of the man of lawlessness and when the time of God’s wrath takes place, which time period Paul is assuring the Thessalonians had not yet come.

Three distinct things occur at the coming of the Lord.

1. Resurrection
2. Rapture
3. Destruction of the wicked, especially the antichrist!

All three events take place at the coming of the Lord.

• For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

1. And the dead in Christ will rise first: Resurrection
2. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them: Rapture
3. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them...And they shall not escape.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:3


Paul even makes it more specific in the second letter to the Thessalonians, about the destruction of the antichrist at His coming.


And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2 Thessalonians 2:8



The antichrist is actually destroyed by the brightness of His coming.



Three distinct and irrefutable things that take place at His coming: In order.

1. The Resurrection
2. The Rapture
3. The destruction of the antichrist

JPT

 

[Absolutely]

Perhaps the Great falling away is all the Rapture beleivers suffering and losing their faith when Jesus hasn't returned yet.

Perhaps those in 3rd world countries may think Tribulation is already here as they are persecuted and killed for their faith.

There are no post trib rapture verses.
But maybe you found one?

 

[Absolutely]

Three distinct things occur at the coming of the Lord.

1. Resurrection
2. Rapture
3. Destruction of the wicked, especially the antichrist!

All three events take place at the coming of the Lord.

• For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

1. And the dead in Christ will rise first: Resurrection
2. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them: Rapture
3. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them...And they shall not escape.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:3


Paul even makes it more specific in the second letter to the Thessalonians, about the destruction of the antichrist at His coming.


And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2 Thessalonians 2:8



The antichrist is actually destroyed by the brightness of His coming.



Three distinct and irrefutable things that take place at His coming: In order.

1. The Resurrection
2. The Rapture
3. The destruction of the antichrist

JPT

Nobody has ever shown scripturally a post trib rapture.
Even Jesus placed the rapture pretrib.
Post trib rapture got traction in the ancients. Israel was considered,rightfully, defunct.
Israel becoming a nation took that shaky foundation away

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

it helps. your answer is yes Jesus ends sin at his return, for a while, and then after a while, permanently.

The following passage (as I've stated before, if you recall) correlates with what we see in Revelation 19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5 (at the time of His Second Coming to the earth):

[same time frame as that ^ ]:

Isaiah 24:21-23 (note the TWO "PUNISH" words and the specific time frame that separates them) -

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall PUNISH the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. [THIS is at the time of His Second Coming to the earth, per Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5]

22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, AND AFTER MANY DAYS [after the MK time period] shall they be visited/PUNISHED.

23 Then [I believe this means, at the time they are imprisoned/shut up] the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients/elders gloriously.

 

[Absolutely]

One of the roots of the antisemites despising of modern Jews is that their presence ,in part,destroys some erroneous eschatological views.

So they call Israel false fake Jews.
That is why they do that

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

what i mean is the 1260 days before Jesus' return, assuming the days are literal.

Well, I'll just say, I have no reason to believe that these days ^ are not literal (regarding when "the woman" will "FLEE"). Additionally, it says OF that time period, that Satan will be "having great wrath because he knows that he hath [at that point in time] A SHORT TIME" and everywhere that phrase is used elsewhere [G5550 G3398], it never seems to mean something like "[1260 (or other large amount of)] YEARS" (see John 7:33, John 12:35; Revelation 20:3 [only long enough to be given the final boot! ], etc)

 

[Absolutely]

Noah was in the clouds carried over a mile high via the tribulation below him. He and family were above the earth and returned AFTER the trib/flood.
Lot did not go through ANY judgement.

Post trib rapture model would need lot to return to the place where he Came out of and Noah to be caught up to heaven AFTER the flood

And yet post trib rapture adherents ignore this.
They inadvertantly confess a pretrib rapture when they invoke Jesus examples of the gathering.

And BTW, Noah and Lot were gathered.
Sinners and indirect family remained and died.....(were not gathered at all)
Pretrib rapture for sure.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

it helps. your answer is yes Jesus ends sin at his return, for a while, and then after a while, permanently.

Not exactly. He will be actively putting it down ( ): "reigning" (see Rev19:15b), and see also another verse that pertains to that point in time (commencing upon His "return" to the earth):

Daniel 7:27 (following the very specific time period of verse 25!) -

"And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him."

 

[MattforJesus]

Remember Jared Kushner's Middle East peace plan. What happens if Israel and Palestine agree and sign a peace treaty?

They will agree to a peace treaty, and it will be the man of sin as the mediator between them, and then he will work as a great man of peace for the world for the first three and one half years, and push the agenda of the new age movement, and the occult, and evolution, as truth, and reality, even claiming the Bible, but according to the new age movement, and he is the final teacher in the evolutionary process.

The world will operate by the ten horn kingdom, the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section, the 7th king, and it will rule for a short space, three and one half years.

So the ten rulers are in league with the New Age Christ, and in control of the military, and weapons, which arms shall stand on the part of the man of sin.

Which when they shall say Peace and safety sudden destruction comes upon them, for now the nations are locked in and if any people oppose the ten horn kingdom, or the unified religious system, then they will have the world breathing down their neck.

Which the Arab governments will come together with all the nations, for governments can be manipulated if the price is right, and put people in power to go along with them, which is probably why America is messing with the Arab nations, and North Korea is probably working with America for small countries would benefit a lot with the world coming together.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

But the people of the Arab nations, and the religion of Islam worldwide will rebel against the world for they feel they have no choice but to fight because they are hindering them from freedom of their religion, and to teach to other people.

That is when they accept the New Age Christ for that war is so terrible, and the ten horn kingdom failed at obtaining peace for the world.

When they say Peace and safety sudden destruction comes upon them, and they shall not escape, and by peace the New Age Christ shall destroy many, and Jesus said the persecution will be so bad against the saints that if the time span was not shortened, the last three and one half years, no flesh would be saved.

That is because there is no peace with the New Age Christ because he is controlled by Satan, and it is all a deception, for the time is come for God to end this sin business on earth, so He is giving the world 7 years to have their way, and Satan will deceive, and destroy, all the people he can.

It is all a lie, and a deception, of the New Age Christ, of the ten horns, and the new age leaders, and those that know the plan.

For they say peace for the world, and prosperity for all nations, and people, and to live in harmony, but it is a lie for they do not want that for people to live in harmony, but they want to produce the New Age Christ so that they can evolve to be greater, and spiritual.

But they do not believe the New Age Christ will help them to evolve until the nations come together as one to try to establish peace on earth.

But it is a lie from the devil so that he can gather the nations together to deceive, and destroy, and the New Age Christ, and the ten leaders, know that they will take away many people that oppose their ways, and do not want peace for all people.

There is no peace for the world, but the New Age Christ who gets his power from Satan is deceiving the world because God is allowing the world 7 years to have their way, so the devil can work in the world more than he could do in the past, and the last three and one half years the devil is off his leash concerning the wicked, which is the strong delusion that God will give everyone that does not love the truth, and they will be deceived by a devil, for the earth has become the habitation of devils, and the earth their holding cell.

All this peace for the world, the harmonizing of the religions, and nations, the new age movement, is all a lie, and the world will believe it until they realize that it was not what they thought it would be as they take away many people that the people thought they would not do claiming peace for the world.

For sudden destruction comes upon them, and they shall not escape, and the man of sin will intentionally stir the people up against certain groups to get rid of them, like Hitler stirred up the people to get rid of the Jews.

 

[justpassinthrough]

Nobody has ever shown scripturally a post trib rapture.
Even Jesus placed the rapture pretrib.
Post trib rapture got traction in the ancients. Israel was considered,rightfully, defunct.
Israel becoming a nation took that shaky foundation away

Brother you need to use scripture not opinion.


My post and scriptures come from 1 Thessalonians:4:15


What do you disagree with with my post.


I never mentioned pre trib or post trib, just the facts the scriptures plainly teach.


Three distinct things occur at the coming of the Lord.

1. Resurrection
2. Rapture
3. Destruction of the wicked, especially the antichrist!

All three events take place at the coming of the Lord.

• For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

1. And the dead in Christ will rise first: Resurrection
2. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them: Rapture
3. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them...And they shall not escape.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:3


Paul even makes it more specific in the second letter to the Thessalonians, about the destruction of the antichrist at His coming.


And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
2 Thessalonians 2:8



The antichrist is actually destroyed by the brightness of His coming.



Three distinct and irrefutable things that take place at His coming: In order.

1. The Resurrection
2. The Rapture
3. The destruction of the antichrist

JPT

 

[Lanolin]

Yea lot of gymnastics and bolding and CAPS going on here. By people trying to wrestle scripture into sayinng what they want it to mean.

Scripture say itself that Jesus is coming after satan. You know....to destroy him! Hes also coming for the saints, to be resurrected, those who died in him, and to gather us who are alive and remain.

Ok think of it like this. Theres a fire in thats going to destroy the house, and Jesus is the rescuer of anyone in the burning building. Who sends the fire, well God does. He warned everyone about it. All those who have died in christ are saved and and those who havent and remain are going to be changed instantly. Those who arent saved will perish.

Theres nothing to be afraid of, ...we may go through the fire but since we are saved it wont even hurt us..like Daniels friends in the firery furnace. Not even singed! Our God is great.