Conditional Salvation

[Elin]

One is either in grace (saved) or out of grace (lost).

This principle is purely made up out of thin air.

 

[notuptome]

This principle is purely made up out of thin air.

Would it be wrong to say its like a fish out of water?

Sorry couldn't resist.

God does not give like man gives. Gods gives and expects nothing in return. God loved us when we did not love Him in return. God is not capricious. God does not change His mind in the middle of things. That which He has said He will perform.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Elin]

The NT states that those who go out from the church were never saved by grace in the first place (1Jn 2:19).

I do not see the word "never" in 1 Jn 2:19.

But assuming what you posted is true, then why would John say in this same context " If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father." verse 24?

You do not see the word "never,"

and I do not see "I know with certainty your faith is true and that you are in the Father."

I see, "only those in whom the word remains will be in the Son and in the Father,"

as presented in 1Jn 2:19.

 

[mailmandan]

What he fails to understand that Paul is rebuking them for mixing grace and works and is simply stating that if you choose to do this that you have rejected grace in favor of works which have no power to save for sure....!

Amen! The present tense of the word "justified" implies that these Galatians were contemplating justification by the law. They were getting side tracked by legalistic teachers. "You who are trying to be justified by the law have fallen away from grace," but had they fully come to that place yet? Galatians 3:3 reads: Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? The middle voice implies "making yourselves perfect" by means of self effort. The present tense indicates that the action is in progress and that there is still time to correct the error.

If these Galatians lost their salvation and it was a done deal, then why didn't Paul simply say you "lost your salvation" and I'm done with you? Instead, in verse 10, he said - I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is. Why would Paul have confidence in these Galatians if they lost their salvation and it's all over for them? In verse 12, Paul uses hyperbole, As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! ​Strong rebuke!

 

[elf3]

Amen! The present tense of the word "justified" implies that these Galatians were contemplating justification by the law. They were getting side tracked by legalistic teachers. "You who are trying to be justified by the law have fallen away from grace," but had they fully come to that place yet? Galatians 3:3 reads: Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? The middle voice implies "making yourselves perfect" by means of self effort. The present tense indicates that the action is in progress and that there is still time to correct the error.

If these Galatians lost their salvation and it was a done deal, then why didn't Paul simply say you "lost your salvation" and I'm done with you? Instead, in verse 10, he said - I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is. Why would Paul have confidence in these Galatians if they lost their salvation and it's all over for them? In verse 12, Paul uses hyperbole, As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! ​Strong rebuke!

Isn't it just amazing the things people will come up with when they only rely upon themselves for understanding? Study the while scripture to understand not just one verse. It just...wow!

 

[Elin]

Human logic is never the best way to measure God's word.

One can fall out of the principle of "grace only" for salvation,

and into the principle of law for salvation "earned by law-keeping."

To fall away from the principle of grace for salvation means one never had the fact (possession) of grace in the first place.

One is either in grace (saved) or out of grace (lost).

So if one falls from grace he must have fallen from a saved condition to a lost condition. There is nothing but else "lost" one can fall to.

Human logic is never the best way to measure God's word.

The present tense of the word "justified" implies that these Galatians were contemplating justification by the law. They were getting side tracked by legalistic teachers. "You who are trying to be justified by the law have fallen away from grace," but had they fully come to that place yet? Galatians 3:3 reads: Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? The middle voice implies "making yourselves perfect" by means of self effort. The present tense indicates that the action is in progress and that there is still time to correct the error.

If these Galatians lost their salvation and it was a done deal, then why didn't Paul simply say you "lost your salvation" and I'm done with you? Instead, in verse 10, he said - I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is. Why would Paul have confidence in these Galatians if they lost their salvation and it's all over for them? In verse 12, Paul uses hyperbole, As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! ​Strong rebuke!

 

[newbirth]

Amen! The present tense of the word "justified" implies that these Galatians were contemplating justification by the law. They were getting side tracked by legalistic teachers. "You who are trying to be justified by the law have fallen away from grace," but had they fully come to that place yet? Galatians 3:3 reads: Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? The middle voice implies "making yourselves perfect" by means of self effort. The present tense indicates that the action is in progress and that there is still time to correct the error.

If these Galatians lost their salvation and it was a done deal, then why didn't Paul simply say you "lost your salvation" and I'm done with you? Instead, in verse 10, he said - I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is. Why would Paul have confidence in these Galatians if they lost their salvation and it's all over for them? In verse 12, Paul uses hyperbole, As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! ​Strong rebuke!

why do you change the scripture? the meaning is very clear...it says those who wants to be justified by the law....Christ is become of no effect to you ....you are fallen from grace...(if you do thus ...this happens) how do you correct circumcision?


Galatians 5:3-5King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith


Galatians 5:3-5New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. [SUP]4 [/SUP]You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope.

 

[BradC]

Some in Galatia left the NT gospel (Gal 1:6,7).

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." Rom 1:16.
"Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls." James 2:21

The gospel is the power of God unto salvation. The gospel is that engrafted word that is able to save your soul.

Tts 2:11,12 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;"

Grace teaches one how to be saved, that is, how to live soberly, righteously and godly. So there is a connection between the gospel, the engrafted word and grace. So when the Galatians left the gospel they also fell from grace, fell from the engrafted word, fell from the instructions that grace gives one to be saved.

Since grace teaches, it is NOT UNcondtionally given apart from teaching and teaching requires understanding and obedience. So if one does not CONDITIONALLY have knowledge of the gospel he CANNOT be in grace. So those that leave the knowledge of the gospel (going back to the OT as some at Galatia) leave grace.

2 Pet 3:18 "But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

If one leaves grace he cannot grow in grace or in the knowledge of Christ.

2 Pet 2:20 "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein..."

One escapes the pollution/sin of this world by knowledge grace teaches. Again, leaving this knowledge means one leaves grace.

2 Pet 2:1 "Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,"

Heb 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

One leaves the knowledge of truth, he leaves grace entering back into sin.

Show me one example of one who fell from grace but still saved. IF this is possible then grace is not necessary for one to be saved.

Salvation is a specific act of the grace of God in response to faith in the finished work of Christ, his death, burial and resurrection. This specific act of grace imputes the righteousness of God on behalf of the believer that is accepted by the Father. It happens in an instant as a completely act that never has to be repeated. The righteousness imputed to the believer by grace through faith is what makes the believer acceptable, justified and made righteous. The believer's life is hid with Christ in God and God begins a good work in the life of that believer to make him become what he has already made him to be through imputed righteousness. No believer who has God's imputed righteousness can do a single thing to nullify that imputation.

The imputation of righteousness is through faith and it is a once and for all act of grace based upon the gospel that satisfies the justice of God that reflects upon the sin of that believer as being put away and cleansed forever through the blood of Christ. What the blood had done on behalf of the believer when he was saved can not be undone no matter how far that believer may backslide from God's grace. The righteousness of God will never be repealed from being imputed to the believer because it came by grace through faith and not according to any works of righteousness on the believer's part. The believer has been sealed forever with that righteousness by the Holy Spirit and no man can pluck that man from the right hand of God's righteousness.

Psalm 37:17,18, 24

17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the Lord upholdeth the righteous.
18 The Lord knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the Lord upholdeth him with his hand.

Psalm 145:14

14 The Lord upholdeth all that fall, and raiseth up all those that be bowed down.

 

[SeaBass]

Previously addressed. . .multiple times.

All this means is you cannot refute what has been put before.

 

[SeaBass]

This principle is purely made up out of thin air.

The bible teaches one will either be saved or lost. Show from the bible there is a third option.

 

[SeaBass]

You do not see the word "never,"

and I do not see "I know with certainty your faith is true and that you are in the Father."

I see, "only those in whom the word remains will be in the Son and in the Father,"

as presented in 1Jn 2:19.

Secondly, if John is saying they were "never of them" then that is a specific example John gave and not a general rule:

In Acts 15 the apostles had a meeting at the church in Jerusalem. During that meeting "...there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses."

The apostles and elders wrote letters saying "Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words ,subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:"

These Pharisees were among the "believers" in Jerusalem but it was these Christian Pharisees that "went out from us troubling you with words, subverting your souls".


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Another context to examine is 2 Pet 2:1 "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought (aorist - past tense) them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."


Peter says "even as there shall be false teachers among you" The verb "shall" is future tense.

So the issue is this; was these "future" false teachers already among them as true Christian members or were they always false teachers who were never Christians:

A key issue among religious scholars is whether these teachers were church members who were genuine in their conversion initially, or whether they were mere pretenders who never embraced the gospel. Baptist scholar, A. T. Robertson, who endorsed the Calvinistic theory of the impossibility of apostasy, contended that they were simply "professing Christians" (1933, 160). This allegation, however, contradicts the explicit testimony of the text.


False Teachers—Bought but Lost

There are a number of traits the serious student must consider regarding these teachers.

First, Peter declares that these teachers will deny the Master that bought them. The term "bought" (agorazo [found thirty times in the New Testament]) literally means to buy or purchase something (cf. Matthew 27:7), but the term is employed metaphorically on several occasions to describe the redemption of Christians, as in this text (Mounce 2006, 94; Field 1975, 268). Jesus bought his people with his blood (1 Corinthians 6:20; 7:23; Revelation 5:9; 14:3-4; cf. also Acts 20:28 though a different verb is employed). There is no reason, apart from a sectarian predisposition, to assign some exotic significance to brought in this passage.

Professor Edwin Blum of the Dallas Theological Seminary admitted that this term raises questions about the Calvinistic doctrine of the perseverance of the saints (i.e., eternal security). However he attempted to wiggle around it by suggesting that though Christ had bought them, the price had not been applied to these teachers by means of the regeneration process (1981, 276). That is some maneuvering!

Clearly the most natural meaning is to see the language in the same contextual sense as his affirmation in the preceding epistle, namely that Christians are the ones redeemed or bought with the precious blood of Christ (1 Peter 1:18-19). As Professor Davids observed: [T]hese people did belong to Christ and had been purchased by him and thus owed him obedience (221).

Moreover, the denial was of their Master, which implies the Master-Servant relationship and clearly signifies that at one time they had submitted to Christ as their Lord. Thayer comments that the term deny (arneomai) is here used of those who by cherishing and disseminating pernicious opinions and immorality are adjudged to have apostatized from God and Christ (1958, 74; emphasis added).

Second, near the conclusion of chapter two, Peter described the false teachers as previously having: (a) escaped "the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ; (b) known "the way of righteousness; and, turned from the holy commandment delivered unto them (vv. 20-21).

If language means anything at all, one simply cannot avoid the conclusion that these perverters of truth earlier had been right with God, but had abandoned their commitment. In spite of this perfectly clear testimony, those enslaved to the Calvinistic dogma cannot accept it. A recent writer says that the false teachers "claimed to be ‘redeemed’ and ‘saved’ because they were part of the church, but their apostasy showed that they were not truly believers. This statement is entirely contradictory. Had they not been true believers at some point, they could not have apostatized! Observe another conflicting statement regarding vv. 20-22 by the same writer:

It would have been better for these false teachers never to have escaped the world in the first place, than to follow in the path of the knowledge of . . . Christ only to abandon that path and return to a life of sin and darkness (Oss 2008, 2420-2421).

https://www.christiancourier.com/art...es-2-peter-2-1
By Wayne Jackson

False Teachers; Destructive Heresies – 2 Peter 2:1


​

So clearly these future false teachers were current Christians who had been bought by Christ.

 

[SeaBass]

Salvation is a specific act of the grace of God in response to faith in the finished work of Christ, his death, burial and resurrection. This specific act of grace imputes the righteousness of God on behalf of the believer that is accepted by the Father. It happens in an instant as a completely act that never has to be repeated. The righteousness imputed to the believer by grace through faith is what makes the believer acceptable, justified and made righteous. The believer's life is hid with Christ in God and God begins a good work in the life of that believer to make him become what he has already made him to be through imputed righteousness. No believer who has God's imputed righteousness can do a single thing to nullify that imputation.

The imputation of righteousness is through faith and it is a once and for all act of grace based upon the gospel that satisfies the justice of God that reflects upon the sin of that believer as being put away and cleansed forever through the blood of Christ. What the blood had done on behalf of the believer when he was saved can not be undone no matter how far that believer may backslide from God's grace. The righteousness of God will never be repealed from being imputed to the believer because it came by grace through faith and not according to any works of righteousness on the believer's part. The believer has been sealed forever with that righteousness by the Holy Spirit and no man can pluck that man from the right hand of God's righteousness.

Psalm 37:17,18, 24

17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the Lord upholdeth the righteous.
18 The Lord knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the Lord upholdeth him with his hand.

Psalm 145:14

14 The Lord upholdeth all that fall, and raiseth up all those that be bowed down.

My point was when Paul said some of the Galatians had fallen from grace, Paul equated falling from grace with leaving the gospel to another false gospel and quit obeying the truth (gospel).

Leaving the gospel/quit obeying the truth = fallen from grace.


So can those Galatians who left the gospel, who had quit obeying the truth to be saved anyway?

 

[BradC]

Secondly, if John is saying they were "never of them" then that is a specific example John gave and not a general rule:

In Acts 15 the apostles had a meeting at the church in Jerusalem. During that meeting "...there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses."

The apostles and elders wrote letters saying "Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words ,subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:"

These Pharisees were among the "believers" in Jerusalem but it was these Christian Pharisees that "went out from us troubling you with words, subverting your souls".


------------------------------------------------------------

Another context to examine is 2 Pet 2:1 "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought (aorist - past tense) them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."


Peter says "even as there shall be false teachers among you" The verb "shall" is future tense.

So the issue is this; was these "future" false teachers already among them as true Christian members or were they always false teachers who were never Christians:

A key issue among religious scholars is whether these teachers were church members who were genuine in their conversion initially, or whether they were mere pretenders who never embraced the gospel. Baptist scholar, A. T. Robertson, who endorsed the Calvinistic theory of the impossibility of apostasy, contended that they were simply "professing Christians" (1933, 160). This allegation, however, contradicts the explicit testimony of the text.


False Teachers—Bought but Lost

There are a number of traits the serious student must consider regarding these teachers.

First, Peter declares that these teachers will deny the Master that bought them. The term "bought" (agorazo [found thirty times in the New Testament]) literally means to buy or purchase something (cf. Matthew 27:7), but the term is employed metaphorically on several occasions to describe the redemption of Christians, as in this text (Mounce 2006, 94; Field 1975, 268). Jesus bought his people with his blood (1 Corinthians 6:20; 7:23; Revelation 5:9; 14:3-4; cf. also Acts 20:28 though a different verb is employed). There is no reason, apart from a sectarian predisposition, to assign some exotic significance to brought in this passage.

Professor Edwin Blum of the Dallas Theological Seminary admitted that this term raises questions about the Calvinistic doctrine of the perseverance of the saints (i.e., eternal security). However he attempted to wiggle around it by suggesting that though Christ had bought them, the price had not been applied to these teachers by means of the regeneration process (1981, 276). That is some maneuvering!

Clearly the most natural meaning is to see the language in the same contextual sense as his affirmation in the preceding epistle, namely that Christians are the ones redeemed or bought with the precious blood of Christ (1 Peter 1:18-19). As Professor Davids observed: [T]hese people did belong to Christ and had been purchased by him and thus owed him obedience (221).

Moreover, the denial was of their Master, which implies the Master-Servant relationship and clearly signifies that at one time they had submitted to Christ as their Lord. Thayer comments that the term deny (arneomai) is here used of those who by cherishing and disseminating pernicious opinions and immorality are adjudged to have apostatized from God and Christ (1958, 74; emphasis added).

Second, near the conclusion of chapter two, Peter described the false teachers as previously having: (a) escaped "the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ; (b) known "the way of righteousness; and, turned from the holy commandment delivered unto them (vv. 20-21).

If language means anything at all, one simply cannot avoid the conclusion that these perverters of truth earlier had been right with God, but had abandoned their commitment. In spite of this perfectly clear testimony, those enslaved to the Calvinistic dogma cannot accept it. A recent writer says that the false teachers "claimed to be ‘redeemed’ and ‘saved’ because they were part of the church, but their apostasy showed that they were not truly believers. This statement is entirely contradictory. Had they not been true believers at some point, they could not have apostatized! Observe another conflicting statement regarding vv. 20-22 by the same writer:

It would have been better for these false teachers never to have escaped the world in the first place, than to follow in the path of the knowledge of . . . Christ only to abandon that path and return to a life of sin and darkness (Oss 2008, 2420-2421).

https://www.christiancourier.com/art...es-2-peter-2-1
By Wayne Jackson

False Teachers; Destructive Heresies – 2 Peter 2:1


​

So clearly these future false teachers were current Christians who had been bought by Christ.

Being anti-Christ is not just denying that Christ came in the flesh but it is also denying the purpose of the finished work for which He came (John 19:30). To deny that the death, burial and resurrection is not enough to save and keep the believer saved is a doctrine that is anti-Christ. Anyone who fails to understand that all believers are saved to the uttermost does not understand the gospel of Christ's death, burial and resurrection. He was raised for our complete justification so that we could believe upon Him by faith and be saved by grace through the eternal redemption that he obtained for us (Heb 9:12).

 

[elf3]

So much I want to say here but only one thing to say.

Who is in control? Us or God? It amazes me how many people want to be in control and yet you are the creation. GOD IS THE CREATOR! GOD IS SOVEREIGN YOU AREN'T! Get over yourself.

 

[SeaBass]

Being anti-Christ is not just denying that Christ came in the flesh but it is also denying the purpose of the finished work for which He came (John 19:30). To deny that the death, burial and resurrection is not enough to save and keep the believer saved is a doctrine that is anti-Christ. Anyone who fails to understand that all believers are saved to the uttermost does not understand the gospel of Christ's death, burial and resurrection. He was raised for our complete justification so that we could believe upon Him by faith and be saved by grace through the eternal redemption that he obtained for us (Heb 9:12).

The purpose of my post was to biblically prove true Christians can become false teachers, refuting Elin's false assertion they cannot.

 

[tribesman]

The passage from Isaiah is out of context. Isaiah is interceding on Israel's behalf when he says, 'our righteousness is as filthy rags.' God didn't say that Isaiah did and he was speaking of Israel, not Christians.

Dunno if you hold to some form of extreme dispensationalism. Of course all of God's words applies to all christians, regardless if they are of israelitish or pagan origins (see 1Cor.10:1-11).

There's also nothing in Scripture about us possessing God's righteousness, we supposed to be come the righteousness of God, we don't possess.

There is much in scripture of us seeking the righteousness of God, and while having it having full assurance of our right standing with Him. If you do want to trust this and instead establish your own righteousness, and strive to become the righteousness of God of your own, then you are bound to keep the entire law of God, every jot and tittle of it, and not fail, transgress or sin in any one single point. Meaning, you must live exactly as Jesus did. The problem is that you are not doing that and you can never do that. That is why you need to be convicted of your sinful state and begin to trust the only remedy for it.

I gave you the words Jesus Himself who said He only spoke what the Father told Him and He told the disciples that if their righteousness didn't surpass that of the Pharisees they would not see the kingdom of God.

So can you tell us what you are doing to be more righteous than the Pharisees? In practice, how does that work out for you? You may now enlighten us all as to how you want to work out your own salvation through establishing a righteousness of your own.

I'm not confusing anything, Jesus was pretty clear in that statement.

14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. (Mat 6:14-15 NKJ)

He's not talking about fruit, He indicates that if they forgive they will be forgiven, if they don't they wont be forgiven. This was spoken to the disciples. That is a condition, the word "if" introduces a condition.

The context of the entirety of scripture about the matter is that good works are a fruit of salvation. They are not any condition for same. For regenerate believers good works are motivated by the peace they have with God, by the gratitude they have for being redeemed and quickened while being yet dead in their sins. They are not motivated by: do this and you will get that. They are motivated by: I do this because I already have that. Huge difference.

If our good works are not motivated by thankfulness for being saved by the Savior but instead are motivated by a self righteous effort to merit salvation, then they are dead works, not pleasing to God, bearing fruit unto death.

Christians reject false gospels of salvation conditioned on the sinner, as opposed to the true gospel of salvation conditioned solely on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Christ.

 

[elf3]

The purpose of my post was to biblically prove true Christians can become false teachers, refuting Elin's false assertion they cannot.

Sorry I had to take you off ignore seabass. A Christian cannot become a false teacher. A person who truly gives everything to God cannot teach against His truth. False teachers are false Christians.....playing the role but never believing.

You spread your false teaching like my kids spread peanut butter....everywhere but the bread!

 

[crossnote]

When does this principle ever kick in? ...

A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
(Tit 3:10)

I mean 11 pages of this stuff. Whew.

 

[elf3]

When does this principle ever kick in? ...

A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
(Tit 3:10)

I mean 11 pages of this stuff. Whew.

Crossnote add all the other pages they reject the truth and who knows how many.

I tried to ignore but it's hard to ignore someone or may people refusing God's Word and trying to spread lies.

 

[RedTent]

The purpose of my post was to biblically prove true Christians can become false teachers, refuting Elin's false assertion they cannot.

So true. To say that just by believing that Christ paid for our sins, through Christ we can be saved is not saying we are saved.

Matthew 7:13-13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

A road to destruction is made by leaving out one of the mileposts. By either using works to gain salvation, or by using not working for our walk after we are saved. By saying we have faith in what the Lord tells us, but then refusing to use those words for how we live.

It is like following a beam of light as we walk. If we go to the right or left we are out of the light and miss the road.

There are many teachers of the bible who give false directions.