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Inquisitor

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#61
I read your opening post and you're not quite right. What you've stated will not save your soul. When ALL pertinent scriptures regarding salvation, you end up with a short list.
1. Belief and faith
2. Confession of your belief
3. Repentance
4. Baptism, immersion in water, fire the forgiveness of your sins.

Upon doing the above, you'll be saved, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, be added to the body of Christ by the Lord, and become a Christian and child of God.
I think that if you read the New Testament a lot, you will realize that.

We believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and confess His name.

Repent of sin.

Then we follow Jesus with one aim, to love the brethren and even our enemies with Christ's love.

The goal of all the Christian instruction is love from a pure heart.

The love aspect is left out far to often. I am deeply concerned by many posts I have seen devoid of the mention of love.

God is love!
 

Inquisitor

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#62
This part is really well said and important to consider

“Again, it depends on what is meant by "repentance". The word repent means "to change your mind". ( let your mind be changed and believe the gospel )

So in all the examples you just listed, they changed their minds, and admitted to themselves, and publicly, that what they were doing was sinful and wrong. And we can, and MUST do this in coming to the Lord. This is NOT the same as changing our sin nature. It is an agreement with God that we are sinners, in need of a Savior.”

thats definately where we have to start losing all imagination of our own righteousness and humbly accepting the word of God letting it correct what we used to think about God , our selves , the world we live in ect basically our existance and reasons why

awe need to stop listening to the world and man and start hearing God
I fully agree with your post.

The word 'repent' has that double meaning in the New Testament.

Definitely a change in the heart and mind towards Jesus Christ, but especially in the heart.
 

oyster67

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#64
Yeah, but according to post 13 our beloved @oyster67 hates the gospel of grace. I guess you and I hate it also. smh
Yes, post 13 was pretty toxic.

Just for the record, Salvation is by grace alone. Works are the results that should follow.

Ephesians 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
 

Cameron143

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Yeah, but according to post 13 our beloved @oyster67 hates the gospel of grace. I guess you and I hate it also. smh
On the bright side, those whose exercise regimen consists only in shaking their heads, there has been a remarkable uptick in health related stories.
 

NOV25

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My dad (not Christian) used to live next door to a Jehovah witness, we'll call him Bob.

For years Bob would come over to my dad's house to share his satanic gospel. For those of you who don't know, JW's deny the deity of Christ and the gospel of grace, among other things. It's a works based religion, hence the door knocking...

Anyway, quite often Bob would come over when I was there and sometimes I would even get sucked into debating various topics with him. On one occasion it became clear to me that I wasn't going to be able to help Bob and debating is always a fruitless endeavor so I quietly waited for him to finish and leave but ole' Bob just couldn't resist I guess. He tried to give me some watchtower material. I declined and with a smile informed Bob that I am Christian, born of Spirit, It's literally impossible for me to become a Jehovah witness. This rattled Bob a bit, he forcefully began to claim, "I'm Christian too..." then stopped and backpedaled into some gibberish about the trinity being false...

Finally I said, Bob let me ask you a few questions.

Me: Would you say all false religions are of satan?
Bob: Yes.
Me: Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Voodoo, Witchcraft, Satanism etcetera?
Bob: Yes, of course.
Me: Do you know what they all have in common? They can all be refined to a common point, they all share a gospel of works. The Christian gospel is the only of it's kind, the only gospel that claims salvation is completely and utterly of the Lord.

Bob seemed slightly perturbed, I think he made the connection. We all exchanged pleasantries then he walked across the street to his house and suffered a massive stroke. He eventually recovered from the stroke but remains a JW.

What's the moral of the story? Help those you can. Resist debates, they're rarely fruitful, especially if they hate the true God and His gospel. However, If you find yourself engaged with a JW, a Muslim or any works gospel spewer and if you eventually grow weary of their blasphemy simply give them this bone to chew: All satanic gospels require action of man to earn salvation. The true God and the true gospel requires faith and even that is a gift so no man may boast.
 

Pilgrimshope

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My dad (not Christian) used to live next door to a Jehovah witness, we'll call him Bob.

For years Bob would come over to my dad's house to share his satanic gospel. For those of you who don't know, JW's deny the deity of Christ and the gospel of grace, among other things. It's a works based religion, hence the door knocking...

Anyway, quite often Bob would come over when I was there and sometimes I would even get sucked into debating various topics with him. On one occasion it became clear to me that I wasn't going to be able to help Bob and debating is always a fruitless endeavor so I quietly waited for him to finish and leave but ole' Bob just couldn't resist I guess. He tried to give me some watchtower material. I declined and with a smile informed Bob that I am Christian, born of Spirit, It's literally impossible for me to become a Jehovah witness. This rattled Bob a bit, he forcefully began to claim, "I'm Christian too..." then stopped and backpedaled into some gibberish about the trinity being false...

Finally I said, Bob let me ask you a few questions.

Me: Would you say all false religions are of satan?
Bob: Yes.
Me: Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Voodoo, Witchcraft, Satanism etcetera?
Bob: Yes, of course.
Me: Do you know what they all have in common? They can all be refined to a common point, they all share a gospel of works. The Christian gospel is the only of it's kind, the only gospel that claims salvation is completely and utterly of the Lord.

Bob seemed slightly perturbed, I think he made the connection. We all exchanged pleasantries then he walked across the street to his house and suffered a massive stroke. He eventually recovered from the stroke but remains a JW.

What's the moral of the story? Help those you can. Resist debates, they're rarely fruitful, especially if they hate the true God and His gospel. However, If you find yourself engaged with a JW, a Muslim or any works gospel spewer and if you eventually grow weary of their blasphemy simply give them this bone to chew: All satanic gospels require action of man to earn salvation. The true God and the true gospel requires faith and even that is a gift so no man may boast.
“satanic gospels require action of man to earn salvation. “

Did Jesus preach one of those “satanic gospels ? “

“Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16:24-27‬ ‭

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations:

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. …And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31-32, 34-36, 40-43, 45-46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

air seems like Jesus is saying “ by your works your going to be judged “

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Wow it seems like Jesus is actually teaching people to repent of doing evil , and instead to do good for other people.

what about Paul he must have taught something different than eternal judgement according to works

“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

aim not sure Satan teaches people that they need to repent of doing evil and do good because they are going to be judged that seems like something he wouldn’t want anyone to realize so they lived life thinking “it doesn’t matter what I do I’ll never be judged by what I do “

maybe God has been telling man what to do and they will live all along , and maybe man’s been rejecting it all along and the answer is for us to hear what God said will save our souls ?

maybe that’s Gods grace that teaches us what not to do and what to do ? Maybe “ grace “ should be teaching people how to live right and to be zealous of good works ?

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m pretty sure Satan is always going to teach the opposite of what God said will save mankind positive actually because he doesn’t want people to be saved and knows “ if I can get them to ignore what God is telling them will save them they won’t be saved “

Jesus Christ preached the only gospel that’s going to save anyone and he teaches a lot about what we need to stop doing and what we need to start doing

If you want to say “ that’s working to earn salvation “ it’s sort of up to you but either way you also one day have to stand before Jesus and give an answer for everything you’ve ever done and said

a you should at the very very least accept this teaching of Jesus who’s going to be the judge you face

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but see the issue is the idea “ that’s not true that’s some thy king jesus is telling me I need to change and do something else , that’s a work not faith “

faith is when you hear Gods word and don’t reject it

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭

at the very least I emplore you to consoder the law of mercy Jesus explains there “if you forgive , you’ll be forgiven , if you don’t judge you won’t be judged , if you don’t condemn you won’t be condemned whatever measire of judgement you use towards others will be the same you receive from the lord “

At the very least you should accept that but then the philosophy “ no action o do will Matter “ sort of falls out the window so it’s hard really hard to acknolwedge it for those who buy into the hypergrace distortion explaining “ Jesus didn’t understand salvation what he said isnt for you , you just do nothing your saved by some other gospel called the word “ grace “ you don’t need to do anything Jesus said to do baptism ? Nope a work of man , repent ? Nope that’s a work we walk by faith we don’t need to hear and obey God were already saved , eterbal judgement according to your works ? No no no way well Never have to answer for our deeds to God that’s not grace we’re saved by grace

it’s just so transparent how could anyone ever fall for doctrine insisting “ don’t believe thy gospel Jesus taught and said is eternal and will save anyone who needs and believes “

It’s just such an achoe of satans only plot “ if I can get them away from hearing Gods word , they’ll never know what he said will save them “ it’s always been his plot since Eden

I’m disheartened for sure
 

NOV25

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#71
“satanic gospels require action of man to earn salvation. “

Did Jesus preach one of those “satanic gospels ? “

“Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16:24-27‬ ‭

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations:

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. …And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31-32, 34-36, 40-43, 45-46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

air seems like Jesus is saying “ by your works your going to be judged “

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Wow it seems like Jesus is actually teaching people to repent of doing evil , and instead to do good for other people.

what about Paul he must have taught something different than eternal judgement according to works

“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

aim not sure Satan teaches people that they need to repent of doing evil and do good because they are going to be judged that seems like something he wouldn’t want anyone to realize so they lived life thinking “it doesn’t matter what I do I’ll never be judged by what I do “

maybe God has been telling man what to do and they will live all along , and maybe man’s been rejecting it all along and the answer is for us to hear what God said will save our souls ?

maybe that’s Gods grace that teaches us what not to do and what to do ? Maybe “ grace “ should be teaching people how to live right and to be zealous of good works ?

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m pretty sure Satan is always going to teach the opposite of what God said will save mankind positive actually because he doesn’t want people to be saved and knows “ if I can get them to ignore what God is telling them will save them they won’t be saved “

Jesus Christ preached the only gospel that’s going to save anyone and he teaches a lot about what we need to stop doing and what we need to start doing

If you want to say “ that’s working to earn salvation “ it’s sort of up to you but either way you also one day have to stand before Jesus and give an answer for everything you’ve ever done and said

a you should at the very very least accept this teaching of Jesus who’s going to be the judge you face

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but see the issue is the idea “ that’s not true that’s some thy king jesus is telling me I need to change and do something else , that’s a work not faith “

faith is when you hear Gods word and don’t reject it

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭

at the very least I emplore you to consoder the law of mercy Jesus explains there “if you forgive , you’ll be forgiven , if you don’t judge you won’t be judged , if you don’t condemn you won’t be condemned whatever measire of judgement you use towards others will be the same you receive from the lord “

At the very least you should accept that but then the philosophy “ no action o do will Matter “ sort of falls out the window so it’s hard really hard to acknolwedge it for those who buy into the hypergrace distortion explaining “ Jesus didn’t understand salvation what he said isnt for you , you just do nothing your saved by some other gospel called the word “ grace “ you don’t need to do anything Jesus said to do baptism ? Nope a work of man , repent ? Nope that’s a work we walk by faith we don’t need to hear and obey God were already saved , eterbal judgement according to your works ? No no no way well Never have to answer for our deeds to God that’s not grace we’re saved by grace

it’s just so transparent how could anyone ever fall for doctrine insisting “ don’t believe thy gospel Jesus taught and said is eternal and will save anyone who needs and believes “

It’s just such an achoe of satans only plot “ if I can get them away from hearing Gods word , they’ll never know what he said will save them “ it’s always been his plot since Eden

I’m disheartened for sure
I'm sorry, having a little trouble understanding what you're trying to say. Mind shortening it up a bit?
 

Pilgrimshope

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#72
I'm sorry, having a little trouble understanding what you're trying to say. Mind shortening it up a bit?
It’s alright actually , other folks will say it again in thier own way my hands hurt so I’m going to take a break for awhile and let the hypergrace train go in circles with others lol I’m too old and dizzy
 

NOV25

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#73

Pilgrimshope

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#74
Yes I'm saying I shouldn't be on this thread because I'm really frustrated by that doctrine not insulting you or anything at all , and I have a pretty severe case of are arthritis in my hands is what I meant about that part

Im just another fool who believes what he thinks he knows , I'm not trying to insult anyone at all just sharing what I know like many do here , lol I just am retired and live in the mountains and am not as mobile as 5 years ago so I run onike a fool more than others are times brter no intended offense towards you at all

P.s. Sorry aboutthe spelling and grammar
God bless I'm going to read an let my fingers rest
 

ForestGreenCook

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#75
Yes, post 13 was pretty toxic.

Just for the record, Salvation is by grace alone. Works are the results that should follow.

Ephesians 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

This post seems to be upholding salvation without works, but if my recollection is correct, you do not believe that confessing, accepting, believing, repenting, following God's commandments, etc. are works.
 

ForestGreenCook

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#76
“satanic gospels require action of man to earn salvation. “

Did Jesus preach one of those “satanic gospels ? “

“Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16:24-27‬ ‭

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations:

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. …And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31-32, 34-36, 40-43, 45-46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

air seems like Jesus is saying “ by your works your going to be judged “

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Wow it seems like Jesus is actually teaching people to repent of doing evil , and instead to do good for other people.

what about Paul he must have taught something different than eternal judgement according to works

“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

aim not sure Satan teaches people that they need to repent of doing evil and do good because they are going to be judged that seems like something he wouldn’t want anyone to realize so they lived life thinking “it doesn’t matter what I do I’ll never be judged by what I do “

maybe God has been telling man what to do and they will live all along , and maybe man’s been rejecting it all along and the answer is for us to hear what God said will save our souls ?

maybe that’s Gods grace that teaches us what not to do and what to do ? Maybe “ grace “ should be teaching people how to live right and to be zealous of good works ?

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m pretty sure Satan is always going to teach the opposite of what God said will save mankind positive actually because he doesn’t want people to be saved and knows “ if I can get them to ignore what God is telling them will save them they won’t be saved “

Jesus Christ preached the only gospel that’s going to save anyone and he teaches a lot about what we need to stop doing and what we need to start doing

If you want to say “ that’s working to earn salvation “ it’s sort of up to you but either way you also one day have to stand before Jesus and give an answer for everything you’ve ever done and said

a you should at the very very least accept this teaching of Jesus who’s going to be the judge you face

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but see the issue is the idea “ that’s not true that’s some thy king jesus is telling me I need to change and do something else , that’s a work not faith “

faith is when you hear Gods word and don’t reject it

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭

at the very least I emplore you to consoder the law of mercy Jesus explains there “if you forgive , you’ll be forgiven , if you don’t judge you won’t be judged , if you don’t condemn you won’t be condemned whatever measire of judgement you use towards others will be the same you receive from the lord “

At the very least you should accept that but then the philosophy “ no action o do will Matter “ sort of falls out the window so it’s hard really hard to acknolwedge it for those who buy into the hypergrace distortion explaining “ Jesus didn’t understand salvation what he said isnt for you , you just do nothing your saved by some other gospel called the word “ grace “ you don’t need to do anything Jesus said to do baptism ? Nope a work of man , repent ? Nope that’s a work we walk by faith we don’t need to hear and obey God were already saved , eterbal judgement according to your works ? No no no way well Never have to answer for our deeds to God that’s not grace we’re saved by grace

it’s just so transparent how could anyone ever fall for doctrine insisting “ don’t believe thy gospel Jesus taught and said is eternal and will save anyone who needs and believes “

It’s just such an achoe of satans only plot “ if I can get them away from hearing Gods word , they’ll never know what he said will save them “ it’s always been his plot since Eden

I’m disheartened for sure

Yes! Pilgrimshope, We understand that you believe that you are saved eternally by your good works.
 

DJT_47

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Here we go again. Another person with a false gospel. Baptism by immersion in water FOLLOWS the conversion of sinners. It is not a condition for salvation.
Here we go again. Another person that either can't read or chooses to ignore the clear word of God. Baptism, according to the scriptures, is a part of the salvation process. Without being baptized, you're not saved nor are you a Christian pr member of the church, the body of Christ.
 

Walter

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Many here at CC seem to be preaching a strange false doctrine which suggest that some are born saved and never have to make a decision to come to Jesus and invite Him into their heart. Salvation and redemption is available to all, but one must first humble themselves, confess they are sinners, repent of their self-centered nature, and believe upon Jesus to the saving of their souls. It is only then that they attain membership in the Church which is predestined and elected to eternal life with Jesus.

Confess your inability to pay your own way, but then realize that you must come to Jesus and invite Him into your heart and follow Him for the rest of your days.

“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.” - Revelation 3:20
Amen! Great Post

Love, Walter
 

Nehemiah6

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Here we go again. Another person that either can't read or chooses to ignore the clear word of God. Baptism, according to the scriptures, is a part of the salvation process. Without being baptized, you're not saved nor are you a Christian or member of the church, the body of Christ.
If baptism were necessary for salvation, then Paul would have made that his top priority as he preached the Gospel, and told his hearers to be baptized in order to be saved. But he said that "Christ sent me NOT TO BAPTIZE BUT TO PREACH THE GOSPEL" (1 Cor 1:17). That would be rather strange if baptism were necessary for salvation. Which means that you hold to a false gospel.
 

Cameron143

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This doesn't look like it will end well.