Conflicts between Genesis 1 & 2

[Ivon]

In regards to the order of creation for humans & animals, Genesis 1 says that animals are created on day 6 followed by humans, while Genesis 2 says that animals are created to be companion for Adam after he is created.

I did alot of research in the internet but none has given yet a satisfactory response. The findings are below:

1) The animals mentioned in Genesis 2 may be another special group of animals for naming purpose (this doesn sounds valid to me, then what about the initial group of animals, doesn this mean they're unnamed?)

2) The hebrew word may possibly be translated wrongly, which should be 'had formed' instead of 'formed' in Genesis 2:19 (it doesn make any difference to me as it has been clearly stated that this 'batch' of animals are created in an attempt to become comparable helpers for Adam, which is the realization of God after Adam's creation)

3) Genesis 1 is in chronological order while 2 is solely for elaboration. (I think this doesn sound convincing which appears to be the last resort of force explaining the way out of the conflict)

Im not bias nor trying to prove the invalidity of the bible, rather hoping to see validity in this situation to help boosting my faith so to speak.

Anyone care care to share your view on this matter pls, thanks alot.

 

[Bladerunner]

In regards to the order of creation for humans & animals, Genesis 1 says that animals are created on day 6 followed by humans, while Genesis 2 says that animals are created to be companion for Adam after he is created.

I did alot of research in the internet but none has given yet a satisfactory response. The findings are below:

1) The animals mentioned in Genesis 2 may be another special group of animals for naming purpose (this doesn sounds valid to me, then what about the initial group of animals, doesn this mean they're unnamed?)

2) The hebrew word may possibly be translated wrongly, which should be 'had formed' instead of 'formed' in Genesis 2:19 (it doesn make any difference to me as it has been clearly stated that this 'batch' of animals are created in an attempt to become comparable helpers for Adam, which is the realization of God after Adam's creation)

3) Genesis 1 is in chronological order while 2 is solely for elaboration. (I think this doesn sound convincing which appears to be the last resort of force explaining the way out of the conflict)

Im not bias nor trying to prove the invalidity of the bible, rather hoping to see validity in this situation to help boosting my faith so to speak.

Anyone care care to share your view on this matter pls, thanks alot.

Ivon..... There is no descrepency between Genesis 1 and 2. Chapter 1 is the Creation Week and Chapter 2 is the Sabbath and a summary of Chapter 1..

 

[UndoubtingThomas]

In regards to the order of creation for humans & animals, Genesis 1 says that animals are created on day 6 followed by humans, while Genesis 2 says that animals are created to be companion for Adam after he is created.

I did alot of research in the internet but none has given yet a satisfactory response. The findings are below:

1) The animals mentioned in Genesis 2 may be another special group of animals for naming purpose (this doesn sounds valid to me, then what about the initial group of animals, doesn this mean they're unnamed?)

2) The hebrew word may possibly be translated wrongly, which should be 'had formed' instead of 'formed' in Genesis 2:19 (it doesn make any difference to me as it has been clearly stated that this 'batch' of animals are created in an attempt to become comparable helpers for Adam, which is the realization of God after Adam's creation)

3) Genesis 1 is in chronological order while 2 is solely for elaboration. (I think this doesn sound convincing which appears to be the last resort of force explaining the way out of the conflict)

Im not bias nor trying to prove the invalidity of the bible, rather hoping to see validity in this situation to help boosting my faith so to speak.

Anyone care care to share your view on this matter pls, thanks alot.

As you do your comparisons just like I did you will find multiple instances where translation literally changes the meaning.

 

[John146]

Genesis 2:19, And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Notice the verse starts out by merely stating a fact that out of the ground God formed the animals. It doesn't state then God formed out of the ground...

 

[Ivon]

Ivon..... There is no descrepency between Genesis 1 and 2. Chapter 1 is the Creation Week and Chapter 2 is the Sabbath and a summary of Chapter 1..

Hi @Bladerunner, yes I would agree on that to a certain extend. But you can't dismiss that Genesis 2:18 - 20, is clearly a chronological event, about the realization of God for getting him comparable helpers, which then He made beasts, but Adam found none suitable, then God created Eve. In these 2 verses, it is clearly not a summary but chronological event.

 

[1LonelyKnight]

Hermeneutics: Aspect: Literary Structure:

Hints here:
Literary structure (chiasm, chiasmus) of each pericopes of Book of Genesis

PDF file - download
https://www.inthebeginning.org/chiasmus/xfiles/xgen1_1-2_3.pdf

 

[Ivon]

Hermeneutics: Aspect: Literary Structure:

Hints here:
Literary structure (chiasm, chiasmus) of each pericopes of Book of Genesis

PDF file - download
https://www.inthebeginning.org/chiasmus/xfiles/xgen1_1-2_3.pdf

1Lonelyknight, I don' get the point.

 

[Ivon]

As you do your comparisons just like I did you will find multiple instances where translation literally changes the meaning.

I suppose the only way is to learn to read directly from the original language. Seems that we can't completely rely on translations, regardless of the versions.

Anyone who know hebrews here, can you helo to resolve this pls

 

[RobbyEarl]

There is no conflict only the conflict of your mind. It is just repeating what was said to begin with with nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Ivon]

There is no conflict only the conflict of your mind. It is just repeating what was said to begin with with nothing more and nothing less.

@RobbyEarl, what is your understanding of Genesis 2:18 to 20 & why do you think it doesn't contradict Genesis 1 where it says animals are created first.

 

[RobbyEarl]

@RobbyEarl, what is your understanding of Genesis 2:18 to 20 & why do you think it doesn't contradict Genesis 1 where it says animals are created first.

You know I not that well versed in it at this time. Why pick at this, I no I did at times past. But I found God to be true. I don't need to know whether the trees or the animals were created first. I don't even need know which came first the chicken or the egg. It makes no never mind to me.

But if you want to break it down

Genesis 1

[FONT=&quot]24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 2
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[FONT=&quot]17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

What day is mentioned? none amen[/FONT]
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[Ivon]

You know I not that well versed in it at this time. Why pick at this, I no I did at times past. But I found God to be true. I don't need to know whether the trees or the animals were created first. I don't even need know which came first the chicken or the egg. It makes no never mind to me.

But if you want to break it down

Genesis 1

[FONT=&quot]24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 2
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[FONT=&quot]17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

What day is mentioned? none amen[/FONT]
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Im fine if you dont have the intention to help me clear my confusion right from the start, but rather you chose to give me the "I know God is real & therefore your qus should be thrown" kind of response.

It can't get any clearer that Genesis 2:18 - 20
Is talking about animals creation after Adam, therefore I am here finding its association to Genesis 1. It doesn't need to mention which specific day it is.

Anyway thanks for your response but I dont really appreciate your way of approach.

 

[trofimus]

In regards to the order of creation for humans & animals, Genesis 1 says that animals are created on day 6 followed by humans, while Genesis 2 says that animals are created to be companion for Adam after he is created.

I did alot of research in the internet but none has given yet a satisfactory response. The findings are below:

1) The animals mentioned in Genesis 2 may be another special group of animals for naming purpose (this doesn sounds valid to me, then what about the initial group of animals, doesn this mean they're unnamed?)

2) The hebrew word may possibly be translated wrongly, which should be 'had formed' instead of 'formed' in Genesis 2:19 (it doesn make any difference to me as it has been clearly stated that this 'batch' of animals are created in an attempt to become comparable helpers for Adam, which is the realization of God after Adam's creation)

3) Genesis 1 is in chronological order while 2 is solely for elaboration. (I think this doesn sound convincing which appears to be the last resort of force explaining the way out of the conflict)

Im not bias nor trying to prove the invalidity of the bible, rather hoping to see validity in this situation to help boosting my faith so to speak.

Anyone care care to share your view on this matter pls, thanks alot.

I personally think that the 2) is the answer.

BTW, I also think that the days in Genesis were not "closed" in their process, but were and are overlaping to other days. More like starting the process (theistic evolution) rather than finishing all creatures in one day and no creature after it.

 

[Dan58]

Genesis 2:19 is giving the details of Genesis 1:24. Its just saying that every animal God had made, was formed out of the ground and then brought to Adam to be named. Genesis 2:1 says; "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them". So the order of creation is in Genesis 1, its just rehashed (past tense) in Genesis 2... jmo

 

[tanakh]

In regards to the order of creation for humans & animals, Genesis 1 says that animals are created on day 6 followed by humans, while Genesis 2 says that animals are created to be companion for Adam after he is created.

I did alot of research in the internet but none has given yet a satisfactory response. The findings are below:

1) The animals mentioned in Genesis 2 may be another special group of animals for naming purpose (this doesn sounds valid to me, then what about the initial group of animals, doesn this mean they're unnamed?)

2) The hebrew word may possibly be translated wrongly, which should be 'had formed' instead of 'formed' in Genesis 2:19 (it doesn make any difference to me as it has been clearly stated that this 'batch' of animals are created in an attempt to become comparable helpers for Adam, which is the realization of God after Adam's creation)

3) Genesis 1 is in chronological order while 2 is solely for elaboration. (I think this doesn sound convincing which appears to be the last resort of force explaining the way out of the conflict)

Im not bias nor trying to prove the invalidity of the bible, rather hoping to see validity in this situation to help boosting my faith so to speak.

Anyone care care to share your view on this matter pls, thanks alot.

The problem is that people tend to view the Bible to a certain extent as the Muslims view the Koran. That it was dictated to those who wrote it or that it dropped out of heaven fully written. This leads to endless,often highly fanciful explanations as to why passages sometimes contradict each other. The stories in the OT were passed on by word of mouth centuries before they were written down. Hardly anyone was literate at that time and stories were memorised The simple plain answer to your question is that there are two different separate stories of creation in Genesis. Its not a matter of which one is true or correct it is a matter of what both stories mean.

Another classic example of this is the four accounts of the trial, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus none of them agree in every detail but the basic truth conveyed in each account is there to see. The Bible is a supernatural and divine set of writings. It is also fully Human and includes many views of the people who wrote and interpreted it. I believe the Holy Spirit guided the writing but left the writers to set it down as they were led to the OT passages they used during the process.

 

[bornofgod]

In regards to the order of creation for humans & animals, Genesis 1 says that animals are created on day 6 followed by humans, while Genesis 2 says that animals are created to be companion for Adam after he is created.

I did alot of research in the internet but none has given yet a satisfactory response. The findings are below:

1) The animals mentioned in Genesis 2 may be another special group of animals for naming purpose (this doesn sounds valid to me, then what about the initial group of animals, doesn this mean they're unnamed?)

2) The hebrew word may possibly be translated wrongly, which should be 'had formed' instead of 'formed' in Genesis 2:19 (it doesn make any difference to me as it has been clearly stated that this 'batch' of animals are created in an attempt to become comparable helpers for Adam, which is the realization of God after Adam's creation)

3) Genesis 1 is in chronological order while 2 is solely for elaboration. (I think this doesn sound convincing which appears to be the last resort of force explaining the way out of the conflict)

Im not bias nor trying to prove the invalidity of the bible, rather hoping to see validity in this situation to help boosting my faith so to speak.

Anyone care care to share your view on this matter pls, thanks alot.

It makes no difference to the spiritual man what came first, the chicken or the egg. These are just the visible objects that came from the same exact source as our thoughts do.

Psalm 33
8: Let all the earth fear the LORD, let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him!
9: For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood forth.
10: The LORD brings the counsel of the nations to nought; he frustrates the plans of the peoples.
11: The counsel of the LORD stands for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.
12: Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people whom he has chosen as his heritage!
13: The LORD looks down from heaven, he sees all the sons of men;
14: from where he sits enthroned he looks forth on all the inhabitants of the earth,
15: he who fashions the hearts of them all, and observes all their deeds.
16: A king is not saved by his great army; a warrior is not delivered by his great strength.
17: The war horse is a vain hope for victory, and by its great might it cannot save.

Exodus 4:
10: But Moses said to the LORD, "Oh, my Lord, I am not eloquent, either heretofore or since thou hast spoken to thy servant; but I am slow of speech and of tongue."
11: Then the LORD said to him, "Who has made man's mouth? Who makes him dumb, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the LORD?
12: Now therefore go, and I will be with your mouth and teach you what you shall speak."

Psalm 92
5: How great are thy works, O LORD! Thy thoughts are very deep!
6: The dull man cannot know, the stupid cannot understand this:

Psalm 94
7: and they say, "The LORD does not see; the God of Jacob does not perceive."
8: Understand, O dullest of the people! Fools, when will you be wise?
9: He who planted the ear, does he not hear? He who formed the eye, does he not see?
10: He who chastens the nations, does he not chastise? He who teaches men knowledge,
11: the LORD, knows the thoughts of man, that they are but a breath.




Psalm 139
17: How precious to me are thy thoughts, O God! How vast is the sum of them!

 

[mpaper345]

In regards to the order of creation for humans & animals, Genesis 1 says that animals are created on day 6 followed by humans, while Genesis 2 says that animals are created to be companion for Adam after he is created.

I did alot of research in the internet but none has given yet a satisfactory response. The findings are below:

1) The animals mentioned in Genesis 2 may be another special group of animals for naming purpose (this doesn sounds valid to me, then what about the initial group of animals, doesn this mean they're unnamed?)

2) The hebrew word may possibly be translated wrongly, which should be 'had formed' instead of 'formed' in Genesis 2:19 (it doesn make any difference to me as it has been clearly stated that this 'batch' of animals are created in an attempt to become comparable helpers for Adam, which is the realization of God after Adam's creation)

3) Genesis 1 is in chronological order while 2 is solely for elaboration. (I think this doesn sound convincing which appears to be the last resort of force explaining the way out of the conflict)

Im not bias nor trying to prove the invalidity of the bible, rather hoping to see validity in this situation to help boosting my faith so to speak.

Anyone care care to share your view on this matter pls, thanks alot.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

God created everything before He created Adam and Eve,for they were the last in God's creation,which God told them to have dominion over everything that is alive on the planet.


Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

This is not concerning the animals,but Eve.

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

This does not mean that God created these creatures after Adam,but only stating that God formed them,and allowed Adam to name them,and also it states that there still was not a help mate for Adam,so it is not referring to the animals after Adam was created as help mates for Adam for there still was not one for him.

Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Eve is the help mate for Adam.

God created everything before He created Adam and Eve,for they were the last in creation.

 

[Ivon]

I personally think that the 2) is the answer.

BTW, I also think that the days in Genesis were not "closed" in their process, but were and are overlaping to other days. More like starting the process (theistic evolution) rather than finishing all creatures in one day and no creature after it.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.” [SUP]19 [/SUP]Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them.

Hi @trofimus, initially I was agreeable to the speculation that God might had created the animals not just once (before & after Adam). However; because Genesis 2:19 states that God formed every beast and bird, am I not right to interpret that "every" refers to "all" the animals that were supposed to be created, were only created after Adam based on the meaning of this verse?

 

[Ivon]

Genesis 2:19 is giving the details of Genesis 1:24. Its just saying that every animal God had made, was formed out of the ground and then brought to Adam to be named. Genesis 2:1 says; "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them". So the order of creation is in Genesis 1, its just rehashed (past tense) in Genesis 2... jmo

@Dan58, do you mean based on your speculation/understanding, on top of all the beast that God has already made, God "duplicated" them again and brought forth to Adam solely for naming purpose?

 

[valiant]

In regards to the order of creation for humans & animals, Genesis 1 says that animals are created on day 6 followed by humans, while Genesis 2 says that animals are created to be companion for Adam after he is created.

The Hebrew does not have tenses like we do. There are only TWO 'tenses', the first indicates a completed action, the second indicates an incomplete action. Thus it can say that something is complete. I,e, is in the past, but it does not say when in the past. It makes no distinction between perfect and pluperfect tenses.


Thus it says that God formed the animals at some time in the past, it does not indicate WHEN in the past. Thus we can translate equally well as 'Had formed the animals'.. The Hebrews stressed action, NOT chronology. They had no way of indicating the latter.

The same applies on day 4. The sun and moon were made in the past. It does not say WHEN in the past. The pluperfect translation is equally valid.