So who exactly are the "false grace people"?
You quoted me to make an accusation so are you directing accusing me of been an heretic?
Is that a guilty dawG a barkin?
I was simply making the observation that "101 stuff" (simplicity of the Gospel) is not recognized by those that over teach grace, taking it to extreme.
They're doing the same with grace that others have done with prosperity... taking is beyond what God's Word teaches which is extra biblical leading to deception but since it's a trick of the devil it all looks right and even uses scripture just like satan did when he tried to trip up Jesus.
So to answer your question... if you believe you are on the right track, then why assume you are being attacked??? Unless of course maybe you question some of what you believe?
Sometimes people do comment and it's not an attack on you which this wasn't... especially since I did not specifically address it to you.
or its a lack of understanding. like the comment above notice the Long explanation of why jesus plain words just arent for chrisitans its as if they have found a different gospel because of the dangers of not gong through Jesus, instead looking to paul
Exactly... the first red flag is when folks start claiming the teachings of Jesus were to the Jews only and Jesus was teaching the law to the Jews.
They must have missed Luke 16:16 and they muse have missed Jesus telling His disciples to go out and preach all the things He had taught them.
If He wanted them to teach what Paul taught... Jesus would have said "here before long, a feller named Paul is gonna come along so you guys wait on him to get on the scene and learn from him what to teach and go teach that to all the world"
I consider what Rockrz posted an attack.
Someone should write a song about guilty dawGs a barkin...
We are saved by grace through faith. If you no longer have faith, you are no longer saved by grace.
Exactly... we get grace thru faith.
Maybe we should get a refresher course going on faith!
Lots of talk these days about grace and not that much 'bout faith.
Without faith, it's impossible to please God... yet all the false grace people keep saying God is pleased with people no matter what they do which ain't true and makes one blue.
So why pray for forgiveness?
Cause you ain't quite perfect yet... those with pride never ask for forgiveness cause they think they have arrived at sinless perfection... which they got thru belonging to that club Cherry Pickers R Us
Do we pray for forgiveness to give acknowledgment to our sins
King David went to the Lord and acknowledged his sin when he did wrong... instead of playing like it's all good.... and God called him a man after His own heart!
No, we should not be sin conscious and should be in a relationship with the Lord conscious which is even more reason to use 1 John 1:9 when we know we have done something that is not right which is the Holy Spirit letting us know we've done wrong.
The Lord is
NOT saying "you dirty scoundrel, you have sinned... get away from Me!"
No, He
IS saying "you have sinned... come to me and confess / forsake your sin so that I may cleanse you"... because what we sow is what we reap which is how God's Kingdom works... it's the operating system if you will of His Kingdom (
Scriptures that speak of sowing and reaping - Genesis 8:22, Mark 4:26, Matthew 13:24, Galatians 6:7-8, Romans 5:14-21, Isaiah 3:10-11, Romans 2:7, Matthew 3:10, Matthew 7:17-20, Hebrews 6:8, Matthew 7:19, John 15:1-15, Galatians 6:7,8 and Jeremiah 17:10 demonstrates how seedtime harvest causes things to produce after it's own kind whether it's good producing good, or evil producing evil.)
Some need to go back and read that God is not mocked, whatsoever we sow is what we reap... if we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption found in Gal 6:7,8
False grace teachers make a mockery of God by claiming what we sow is not what we reap and if we do sow to the flesh it's all good cause all future sin is automatically forgiven so we never have to confess anything!
That's a lie and is causing some to live a lifestyle of not coming to the Lord when they sin (and yes, we all fall short of God's glory in one way or another)... making them workers of iniquity who Jesus will say in the end... depart from Me.
This is how some who think they are saved will end up swimming in that lake 'o fire for all eternity.
If they teach there is no more consequence for sin... then there's no reason why to not enjoy a little sin... just don't let your pastor catch ya!... unless of course he likes to sin a little to...
I agree that we need to repent on goingly as Christians - often - but not because our salvation is at risk.... If we are Christians then committing a sin does not cancel our salvation.
There you have it folks... no consequences for sin anymore! No wonder that guilty dawG was a barkin... cause he be guilty of false doctrine which is a work of the flesh, and unclean!
You can live in sin and still go to Heaven according to the modern false grace message... of course most of these guys do not say "hey, lets all go out and sin!"... but, they do say if ya do it has no beaing on your salvation.
This is why we are seeing more and more people who claim to be Christians supporting sinful behavior and walking after the flesh because after all... they believe all their future sin has already been forgiven so it really matters not to them whether on sins or not... it's all good up in they hood!
The ministries of John the Baptist and Jesus Christ are not the same - not by a long shot.
Not according to Jesus:
Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
According to Jesus... God's official message to mankind, starting with John the Baptist, is the
Gospel of the Kingdom (who wants to live under the King's Domain???) which similar to the OT where they made sacrifices for sin... under the NT we use the sacrifice of the shed Blood of Jesus as often as needed when we employ 1 John 1:9
Most of you false grace people never mention when Jesus told the lady the Jews wanted to stone for adultery to... "go and sin no more"
Some how the "go and sin no more" part is conveniently left out of the false grace message because they be all seeker sensitive and would never say anything "negative" cause they offerings and book /DVD sales would go down and they jet would get repossessed (you know, the one they play like they paid cash for?)
So you deny Jesus' words are applicable to us today. Feeling free to pick and choose what you want from the gospel I see?
When it doesn't agree with the Grace777 International Version (GIV) then its not applicable, but when the promises are nice and comfy then you are free to accept those.
It's the gospel buffet line... feel free to not partake in things ye do not like or agree with.
I've found that God's correction IS good news!... but one must get ride of their pride and die to self and allow the Lord to ourge them of not wanting to partake of his correction which makes some to be bastards and no sons
Hebrews 12:5-11
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
that is rather funny, that you would accuse someone of picking out verses to support theology, while you do it all the time, plucking out verses about works and sin, while ignoring grace and forgiveness.
Somebody needs to reach out to the false grace people with... like brutha Paul Harvey used to say on the radio... the rest of the story!
They sure ain't getting the whole story with they favorite TV preacher that they idolize so much!