CONTENTIOUS CALVINISM: Misrepresenting The Doctrines Of Grace

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popeye

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It is tiresome,that the mystery of salvation gets filtered through men's minds yet never hitting the target.

Got a news flash.

Salvation is a person,not a doctrine
 

stonesoffire

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Can't rep you yet...post is great.
 

Sac49

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Rebuke? I suppose it could be seen that way. More intended as an encouragement to common unity. Been on CC a long time reading everything, but rarely commenting. I created a new account since my old email account was compromised.

I posted a question following my original post in hopes of spurring on a Biblical discussion, but I think it kind of got lost in the shuffle. Here is what I posted...

"I am interested in discussing what the Bible has to say about how to handle/discuss theological or doctrinal differences from a Biblical perspective. Scripture quotes on the subject would be fantastic."
One of the greatest theological "debates" i had ever seen was between two good friends. They are both well know theologians, one Arminian one Reformed. They disagreed on a ceetain doctrine but the way they both spoke with humilty and love towards tge other made it a fun debate to watch. They were even joking as they debated.

When discussing theological subjects we should speak wifh humilty first because none of us know it all. Second with love because we should be concerned about each others salvation.

Though to love is the greatest commandment i feel humility should be first for, as mentioned, we are all being sanctified by the Holy Spirit and we all grow in our faith at different paces. If we try and force certain things on others we could cause disruption in the family.

Humility because we are not all at the same place in our growth. Love because we are to love one another as brothers and sisters in Christ.

We must understand that we only know what we know due to the teaching of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not teach each of us in the same way or at the same pace.

I should also note that before we post anything we should be praying for the correct words to use. I often write something then pray before i post it. Because of this, not everything i write is posted. I try my best, im not perfect, to allow the Holy Spirit to direct my words in a way that is most glorifying to God.

Sorry for such a long post but this is the way i feel we should be "debating" upon any subject let alone things dealing with God.
 
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The most toxic debates i have seen within Christian forums have been about calvinism..But the adherents of it make a habit of trying to introduce it into every thread they can.
I'm In agreement with this snippet of your post and I'm taking notice.
Bad thing about that doctrine Is,Its hard to expose because the scripture I use gets twisted by the calvinist.
 
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Calvanism should not be contentious
But, false doctrine is always contentious... cause it's, you know... FALSE



Salvation is a person,not a doctrine
The Person is Jesus Christ... and He has published His "doctrine" which simply means teaching... the New Testament speaks of the doctrine of Jesus Christ and His Apostles.

So ultimately salvation comes thru a Person... and this Prson has something to say to teach men of His ways of being and doing right.

Those that want to go some other way can go swimming in that lake of fire.
 
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I'm In agreement with this snippet of your post and I'm taking notice.
Bad thing about that doctrine Is,Its hard to expose because the scripture I use gets twisted by the calvinist.
I might say,GOD would not be just If whosoever doesn't mean ALL,then they will come back and say the whosoever means a way was made for those who have been chosen to come to CHRIST.

How can I argue that?
 
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popeye

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The prodigal never was chosen on any count.

1 he was born a son,into that family.

2 he CHOSE to leave.

3 he CHOSE to return.

At no point was he chosen.
Ooops
 
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they will come back and say the whosoever means a way was made for those who have been chosen to come to CHRIST.
Don't worry about arguing all the time... you cannot fix stupid!

This is just their way of claiming they are special and everyone that doesn't agree with them was ordained by God to burn in hell.

You never hear anyone of them say "I was not chosen, so God made me for the purpose of burning in hell"


We should not feel the need to talk people out of their false doctrine all the time... if they won't believe the truth, the they will believe delusion and the Lord is allowing them to be turned over to their own devices.

All you can do is declare the truth, intercede, and move on...




At no point was he chosen.
Better be careful... calvin will put a hit out on ya!
 

SovereignGrace

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I'm not saying don't discuss but don't war to the point of severing fellowship with each other and the Lord.
Ahem....this was what you directed at me t'other day...

Just goes to show that you cannot cure dumb without the Holy Spirit and Gods word.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )

Dead is separation from God. Alive is made to sit together with Christ.

Eph 2:6 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

If you learn from the dispensationalists you will prosper in the knowledge of God. Dispensations are not inspired but they are useful guides in understanding why God does what He does when He does it.


For the cause of Christ
Roger