correctly studying the book of revelation

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RachelBibleStudent

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maybe some people can manage it...but from what i have seen the 'old testament first' approach to revelation has been the source of just about every major eschatological error...or what i consider to be errors anyway...

i see this approach as being the direct cause of the errors of futurism...including millennialism and dispensationalism...as well as the errors of preterism and the 'day year principle' innovation that some teachers have attempted to introduce into historicism...

the main difficulties that i notice in studying old testament prophecy are people failing to recognize when a prophecy has already been fulfilled...and also the fact that some old testament prophecies were literally revoked by God...

with those pitfalls in mind...i think a lot of old testament prophecy is more difficult to figure out than revelation!

so i still say start with the obvious stuff...like when jesus and paul taught plainly on the end time...use that to lay out a basic framework...then fit everything in revelation into the framework...
 
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I like that, it was what i had to do. by the way, the prophecies being revoked by God
is not one too many can grasp. And some are waiting to see them fulfilled still.
And others cant understand yet land promises were conditional and also changed.
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
maybe some people can manage it...but from what i have seen the 'old testament first' approach to revelation has been the source of just about every major eschatological error...or what i consider to be errors anyway...

i see this approach as being the direct cause of the errors of futurism...including millennialism and dispensationalism...as well as the errors of preterism and the 'day year principle' innovation that some teachers have attempted to introduce into historicism...

the main difficulties that i notice in studying old testament prophecy are people failing to recognize when a prophecy has already been fulfilled...and also the fact that some old testament prophecies were literally revoked by God...

with those pitfalls in mind...i think a lot of old testament prophecy is more difficult to figure out than revelation!

so i still say start with the obvious stuff...like when jesus and paul taught plainly on the end time...use that to lay out a basic framework...then fit everything in revelation into the framework...
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Well put. However, care to expound on what you see as errors with preterism? And what sort of same in particular, if any.
 
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carey said:
...what is the correct way to study this book so that I can understand all of it's meanings?
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To get light from prophetic truth requires an awful lot of prayer and study: 1) You will need to study the Scriptures and also books written by others on the book of Revelation and Daniel, as the book of Daniel is vitally connected with the book of Revelation, one gives light on how to interpret the other. 2) Vast amounts of prayers! The Old Testament prophets only got the meaning to their visions and revelations by seeking the Giver of them. 3) Also be prepared to spend months/years on studying it. Dan 7v28, 8v27, 9v1-3, 10v1-3,12,14, 1Peter 1v10-12.Yahweh Shalom
 
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My advice, read all of the views of Revelation, pros and cons. Interpret the unclear with the clear. Eschatology does not save you, but can leave you out in left field in some things.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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carey said:
I have not studied this book yet, because of all the symbolism, it has been very hard for me to understand. So, what is the correct way to study this book so that I can understand all of it's meanings?
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most important, lay aside all your pre-concieved notions and look with open mind

second. study OT as John is given a vision that were given many OT prophets just in greater detail than some

third. learn how poeple in johns day would have interpreted it, not today, it was written in their language, using their manurisms and speech. many people try to read it as we would today and get mixed up.

if you have questions. go to a bunch of people. not just one, get all the ideas out there. then prayerfully chose your own believe not on what others say, but what God lays on your heart.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
most important, lay aside all your pre-concieved notions and look with open mind

second. study OT as John is given a vision that were given many OT prophets just in greater detail than some

third. learn how poeple in johns day would have interpreted it, not today, it was written in their language, using their manurisms and speech. many people try to read it as we would today and get mixed up.

if you have questions. go to a bunch of people. not just one, get all the ideas out there. then prayerfully chose your own believe not on what others say, but what God lays on your heart.
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I agree, but who's view did God lay on our hearts, yours or mine? LOL. Do you have people in your home church who believe what I believe? Can I come to your church and speak on preterism? (not full or hyper preterism, blah!)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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RachelBibleStudent said:
maybe some people can manage it...but from what i have seen the 'old testament first' approach to revelation has been the source of just about every major eschatological error...or what i consider to be errors anyway...

i see this approach as being the direct cause of the errors of futurism...including millennialism and dispensationalism...as well as the errors of preterism and the 'day year principle' innovation that some teachers have attempted to introduce into historicism...

the main difficulties that i notice in studying old testament prophecy are people failing to recognize when a prophecy has already been fulfilled...and also the fact that some old testament prophecies were literally revoked by God...

with those pitfalls in mind...i think a lot of old testament prophecy is more difficult to figure out than revelation!

so i still say start with the obvious stuff...like when jesus and paul taught plainly on the end time...use that to lay out a basic framework...then fit everything in revelation into the framework...
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so God made prophesies. then changed his mind? this is the worst advise you could give someone. God does not make prophesies, then change his mind, he makes them for reasons, if he would ever do this, he has NO reason whatsoever to give prophesy.

Also. Going back to what I said earlier. Many claim some things are fulfilled. ,many claim that have not been. The girl should go in with an open mind, then study for herself..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Abiding said:
I like that, it was what i had to do. by the way, the prophecies being revoked by God
is not one too many can grasp. And some are waiting to see them fulfilled still.
And others cant understand yet land promises were conditional and also changed.
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your joking right? why can;t anyone just let this girl read and make up her own mind?.. God did not take back prophesies. if God knew things were not going to happen, he would have told us so. not say yes these are going to happen. then later say, oops I made a mistake, they are not going to happen, i changed my mind
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Bookends said:
I agree, but who's view did God lay on our hearts, yours or mine? LOL. Do you have people in your home church who believe what I believe? Can I come to your church and speak on preterism? (not full or hyper preterism, blah!)
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some of my home church are former catholics. who were deep into ammilenialism. They have since rejected that model, and now believe in the literal fulfiment of prophesy..others never really studied it..and could care less. and laugh when some of us start discussing it, and yet others have many books on it (like myself)

I know a few are pretrib, and can not understand why I am not sold on it.. but unlike many in here, we just laugh it off. and agree one day we will all know what is truth in this matter..
 
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carey said:
I agree with gra, the koran is a muslim book, why on earth would I study the word of God and use something from a false religion? That makes absolutely no sense!
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The Koran was written by early Arab Christians.

While the Koran never claims to be divinely inspired, it does give full credit to the divinely inspired Holy Bible as its source material.

The fact that islam mis-interpreted its meaning should not prevent others from reading the Koran.

If we used your line of reasoning, then Christians should likewise reject and not read the OT because it belongs to the Jews and the Jews also reject Jesus as God.

See the point....?
 
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Uh, no.
Advising someone you read a book that is completely antichristian is some of the worse Christian advice anyone could give
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Its NOT anti-Christian.

Neither is the OT....but it is to the Jews.

Its all a matter of interpretation...
 
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Theophane

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@carey

Revelation won't make a lick of sense unless you are able to decode the symbols. Personally, I see Revelation as being "encrypted," undecipherable to someone without the encryption key. The teaching stories used by Jesus had a similar encryption on them, so that only the saints would understand their true and complete meaning.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Bowman said:
The Koran was written by early Arab Christians.

While the Koran never claims to be divinely inspired, it does give full credit to the divinely inspired Holy Bible as its source material.

The fact that islam mis-interpreted its meaning should not prevent others from reading the Koran.

If we used your line of reasoning, then Christians should likewise reject and not read the OT because it belongs to the Jews and the Jews also reject Jesus as God.

See the point....?
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The OT teaches of a future redeemer. Who would save the world. The qoran does not even believe in a redeemer

enough said.
 
Bowman

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eternally-gratefull said:
The OT teaches of a future redeemer. Who would save the world. The qoran does not even believe in a redeemer

enough said.
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Islam does not believe in a redeemer.

The Koran, however, proclaims the very SAME as its source, the Holy Bible.

Again....it how people are interpreting the material.


 
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eternally-gratefull

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Bowman said:
Islam does not believe in a redeemer.

The Koran, however, proclaims the very SAME as its source, the Holy Bible.

Again....it how people are interpreting the material.
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if it does not believe in a redeemer. it does not believe in God. Enough said.. We can not make ourselves right with god.. we are guilty.. and due justice.. nothing can change that but a redeemer.. period!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
if it does not believe in a redeemer. it does not believe in God. Enough said.. We can not make ourselves right with god.. we are guilty.. and due justice.. nothing can change that but a redeemer.. period!
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However, it does.

Perhaps you need to study it for yourself and see...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Bowman said:
However, it does.

Perhaps you need to study it for yourself and see...
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it does not.. study the bible and you will see
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

it does not.. study the bible and you will see
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The Koran proclaims all the Biblical elements, as well...such as Jesus' crucifixion until death upon the cross, His subsequent singular Resurrection, that He is God, that He judges humanity....Heaven, Hell, and all the fixings are all stated in the the Koran.

You should study it some time...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Bowman said:
The Koran proclaims all the Biblical elements, as well...such as Jesus' crucifixion until death upon the cross, His subsequent singular Resurrection, that He is God, that He judges humanity....Heaven, Hell, and all the fixings are all stated in the the Koran.

You should study it some time...
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does it state Jesus paid the price for ALL sin. and the only way to heaven is by recieving the gift of God purchased by Christ's death on the cross? if it does.. it is news to all people including muslims) if it does not.. it is not from god, and not worth studying.
 
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