Count the Omer
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K
It was made necessary by the timing of Shavuot, the phase of the moon being harder to count in those days. I have always interpreted it as a jubilee of growth. It serves notice that after our new beginning of Passover has been leading us in a new way with God for 49 days, we need to remember once again that it is all from Him. So we pick up a sheaf of grain (our first fruit of our new beginning) and offer it (wave it) back to Him, in front of our brothers and sisters, so they may know how God is growing us, and give thanks for it. 50 seeds for a full ear, God has filled our new potential, and now we can let Him mature it to full harvest at Sukkoth.
K
i know of none. Many churches have reinstituted Passover and Sukkoth, but not much work has been done on Shavuot. When my wife and I did all three feasts in one year, we faced the same issue. We invited other churches, held a joint concert and ministry fair, and explained the relationship to all(in multiple languages). Each ministry had something to share either on stage, or at a table at the ministry fair, and that was their sheaf, the symbol of this year's new anointing from God.
Perhaps our world is developing enough that we can reinstate some of OT scripture's instructions on how to worship. I have read that through learning to translate ancient languages our scholars are learning to better understand what God tells us in the OT and through that understanding the NT better is opening up.
It was such a growth to learn we didn't need to become Hebrews to be included, that it wasn't the rituals that God looked to, it was the heart. But without anything physical to express our heart, so much of the church has become luke warm, it seems to me. Our rituals are often tradition started by men to express our worship.
I so like the instruction to love the Lord with all your heart, soul, and might so even what I do physically reflects that. If God says count the omer in scripture, then NT, OT, wherever the scripture, I wish I could do that!
It was such a growth to learn we didn't need to become Hebrews to be included, that it wasn't the rituals that God looked to, it was the heart. But without anything physical to express our heart, so much of the church has become luke warm, it seems to me. Our rituals are often tradition started by men to express our worship.
I so like the instruction to love the Lord with all your heart, soul, and might so even what I do physically reflects that. If God says count the omer in scripture, then NT, OT, wherever the scripture, I wish I could do that!
P
Ken, I had always thought it was firstfruits to tabernacles...
is that incorrect?
it seems very lovely, beginning Resurrection Sunday (as it were) and going to Pentecost.
especially when I consider John 1--"He came from the Father and made His dwelling among us." (tabernacled with us!)
am I close? at all?
is that incorrect?
it seems very lovely, beginning Resurrection Sunday (as it were) and going to Pentecost.
especially when I consider John 1--"He came from the Father and made His dwelling among us." (tabernacled with us!)
am I close? at all?
Redtent: please read Leviticus (Old Testament)
are you certain God only wants us doing things which were given as illustrations of God's Character; Worship; our sin; and which found their fulfillment in His Son - JESUS?
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57882-leviticus-seedbed-nt-theology.html < click
if you enoy these rituals, though they were shadows of the Substance, Who is Christ, that's fine.
but this "you are against anything the Lord said about ways He wants worshipping done" is....well....i don't know what i will say about that.
perhaps Jesus can speak to you:
John 4
15This woman said to him, “My lord, give me from these waters that I shall not thirst again, and so I am not coming to draw from here.” 16Yeshua said to her, “Go call your husband and come here.” 17She said to him, “I have no husband.” Yeshua said to her, “You have said correctly, “I have no husband. 18For you have had five husbands, and this man that is with you now is not your husband; this you have spoken truly.” 19The woman said to him, “My lord, I perceive that you are a Prophet. 20Our forefathers worshiped in this mountain, and you say that in Jerusalem is the place where it is necessary to worship.” 21Yeshua said to her, “Woman, believe me that the hour is coming in which neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship The Father. 22You are worshiping what you do not know. We know what we are worshiping, for The Life is of the Jews. 23But the hour is coming and now is, when the true worshipers will worship The Father in The Spirit and in The Truth, for The Father also is seeking such worshippers as these. 24For The Spirit is God, and it is fitting that those who worship him worship in The Spirit and in The Truth.” 25The woman said to him, “I know that The Messiah is coming, and when he comes, he will teach us all things.” 26Yeshua said to her, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, I who am speaking with you.”
are you certain God only wants us doing things which were given as illustrations of God's Character; Worship; our sin; and which found their fulfillment in His Son - JESUS?
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57882-leviticus-seedbed-nt-theology.html < click
if you enoy these rituals, though they were shadows of the Substance, Who is Christ, that's fine.
but this "you are against anything the Lord said about ways He wants worshipping done" is....well....i don't know what i will say about that.
perhaps Jesus can speak to you:
John 4
15This woman said to him, “My lord, give me from these waters that I shall not thirst again, and so I am not coming to draw from here.” 16Yeshua said to her, “Go call your husband and come here.” 17She said to him, “I have no husband.” Yeshua said to her, “You have said correctly, “I have no husband. 18For you have had five husbands, and this man that is with you now is not your husband; this you have spoken truly.” 19The woman said to him, “My lord, I perceive that you are a Prophet. 20Our forefathers worshiped in this mountain, and you say that in Jerusalem is the place where it is necessary to worship.” 21Yeshua said to her, “Woman, believe me that the hour is coming in which neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship The Father. 22You are worshiping what you do not know. We know what we are worshiping, for The Life is of the Jews. 23But the hour is coming and now is, when the true worshipers will worship The Father in The Spirit and in The Truth, for The Father also is seeking such worshippers as these. 24For The Spirit is God, and it is fitting that those who worship him worship in The Spirit and in The Truth.” 25The woman said to him, “I know that The Messiah is coming, and when he comes, he will teach us all things.” 26Yeshua said to her, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, I who am speaking with you.”
I went to a Messanic Easter Passover with a group of friends one year. It was amazing, because they interpreted everything in terms of being fulfilled in Jesus.
I think using these celebrations to point to Jesus, would better help us understand the Old Testament. But I agree, they are shadows of the past, compared to the living God - Jesus Christ.
I think using these celebrations to point to Jesus, would better help us understand the Old Testament. But I agree, they are shadows of the past, compared to the living God - Jesus Christ.
P
Sukkoth reminds me of our American Thanksgiving-- harvest celebration, no?
And I think Jesus said these things at the Feast of Tabernacles--
Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If any man is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.
He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water.' " (John 7:37-38)
And perhaps even as the torches were still burning (??)
Again therefore Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world; he who follows Me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life." (John 8:12)
And I think Jesus said these things at the Feast of Tabernacles--
Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If any man is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.
He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water.' " (John 7:37-38)
And perhaps even as the torches were still burning (??)
Again therefore Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world; he who follows Me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life." (John 8:12)
agree:
Sukkos (Hebrew: סוכות or סֻכּוֹת sukkōt or sukkos, Feast of Booths, Feast of Tabernacles) is a biblical holiday celebrated on the 15th day of the month of Tishrei (variously from late September to late October). It is one of the three biblically mandated festivals Shalosh regalim on which Hebrews were commanded to make a pilgrimage to the Temple in Jerusalem. It follows the solemn holiday of Yom Kippur, or the Day of Atonement.
John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcomea it.
6There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
and - we tabernacle with Him, in Him:
John 15
4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. 5I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. 7If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.
~
Sukkos follows the Day of Atonement!
it is the ingathering, the fall harvest:
Acts 2
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
and also during the Feast of Tabernacles:
In addition, the Feast of Tabernacles required sacrifices of sin offerings and burnt offerings. At the time of preparation for the morning sacrifice, a priest would descend to the Pool of Siloam—amidst great music, celebration, and singing of Isaiah 12:3—and fill a golden pitcher with water.
After dipping his pitcher in Siloam’s water, the priest would return to the Temple Mount and pour the water into one of the silver basins by the altar. “Raise your hand!” the people would shout to the priest so that they could see he indeed poured the water into the basin.
on the last and greatest day of Sukkot, Jesus drew upon this tradition of pouring water to illustrate a point:
John 7:37–38
“If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’”
not to mention the healing of the blind man at the Pool
Sukkos (Hebrew: סוכות or סֻכּוֹת sukkōt or sukkos, Feast of Booths, Feast of Tabernacles) is a biblical holiday celebrated on the 15th day of the month of Tishrei (variously from late September to late October). It is one of the three biblically mandated festivals Shalosh regalim on which Hebrews were commanded to make a pilgrimage to the Temple in Jerusalem. It follows the solemn holiday of Yom Kippur, or the Day of Atonement.
John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcomea it.
6There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
and - we tabernacle with Him, in Him:
John 15
4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. 5I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. 7If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.
~
Sukkos follows the Day of Atonement!
it is the ingathering, the fall harvest:
Acts 2
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
and also during the Feast of Tabernacles:
In addition, the Feast of Tabernacles required sacrifices of sin offerings and burnt offerings. At the time of preparation for the morning sacrifice, a priest would descend to the Pool of Siloam—amidst great music, celebration, and singing of Isaiah 12:3—and fill a golden pitcher with water.
After dipping his pitcher in Siloam’s water, the priest would return to the Temple Mount and pour the water into one of the silver basins by the altar. “Raise your hand!” the people would shout to the priest so that they could see he indeed poured the water into the basin.
on the last and greatest day of Sukkot, Jesus drew upon this tradition of pouring water to illustrate a point:
John 7:37–38
“If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’”
not to mention the healing of the blind man at the Pool
K
Ken, I had always thought it was firstfruits to tabernacles...
is that incorrect?
it seems very lovely, beginning Resurrection Sunday (as it were) and going to Pentecost.
especially when I consider John 1--"He came from the Father and made His dwelling among us." (tabernacled with us!)
am I close? at all?
is that incorrect?
it seems very lovely, beginning Resurrection Sunday (as it were) and going to Pentecost.
especially when I consider John 1--"He came from the Father and made His dwelling among us." (tabernacled with us!)
am I close? at all?
Just thought I would put this up for anyone doing the count upto ( Shavuot) Pentecost.
Blessed are You, Lord our God, King of the Universe, who has sanctified us with His commandments, and commanded us concerning the counting of the Omer.
Teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom Ps 90:12
Today is __________, days of the Omer
Psalm. May God be gracious to us and bless us; may He make His countenance shine upon us forever; that Your way be known on earth, Your salvation among all nations. The nations will extol You, O God; all the nations will extol You. The nations will rejoice and sing for joy, for You will judge the peoples justly and guide the nations on earth forever. The peoples will extol You, O God; all the peoples will extol You, for the earth will have yielded its produce and God, our God, will bless us. God will bless us; and all, from the farthest corners of the earth, shall fear Him.
We implore you, by the great power of Your right hand, release the captives. Accept the prayer of Your people; strengthen us, purify us, Awesome One. Mighty One, we beseech You, guard as the apple of your eye those who seek Your Oneness. Bless them, cleanse them; bestow upon them forever Your merciful righteousness. Powerful, Holy One, in Your abounding goodness, guide Your congregation. Only and Exalted One, turn to Your people who are mindful of Your holiness. Accept our supplication and hear our cry, You who knows secret thoughts. Blessed be the name of the glory of His kingdom forever and ever.
Master of the universe, You have commanded us through Moses Your servant to count the Omer, in order to purify us from our evil and uncleanness. As You have written in Your Torah, "You shall count for yourselves from the day following the day of rest, from the day on which you bring the Omer as a wave-offering; [the counting] shall be for seven full weeks. Until the day following the seventh week shall you count fifty days," so that the souls of Your people Israel may be cleansed from their defilement. Therefore, may it be Your will, Lord our God and God of our fathers, that in the merit of the -Omer which I counted today, the blemish that I have caused be rectified and I may be purified and sanctified with holiness. May abundant bounty thereby be bestowed upon the world. May it rectify our spirit and soul from every baseness and defect, and may it purify and sanctify us with Your holiness. Amen, selah
Blessed are You, Lord our God, King of the Universe, who has sanctified us with His commandments, and commanded us concerning the counting of the Omer.
Teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom Ps 90:12
Today is __________, days of the Omer
Psalm. May God be gracious to us and bless us; may He make His countenance shine upon us forever; that Your way be known on earth, Your salvation among all nations. The nations will extol You, O God; all the nations will extol You. The nations will rejoice and sing for joy, for You will judge the peoples justly and guide the nations on earth forever. The peoples will extol You, O God; all the peoples will extol You, for the earth will have yielded its produce and God, our God, will bless us. God will bless us; and all, from the farthest corners of the earth, shall fear Him.
We implore you, by the great power of Your right hand, release the captives. Accept the prayer of Your people; strengthen us, purify us, Awesome One. Mighty One, we beseech You, guard as the apple of your eye those who seek Your Oneness. Bless them, cleanse them; bestow upon them forever Your merciful righteousness. Powerful, Holy One, in Your abounding goodness, guide Your congregation. Only and Exalted One, turn to Your people who are mindful of Your holiness. Accept our supplication and hear our cry, You who knows secret thoughts. Blessed be the name of the glory of His kingdom forever and ever.
Master of the universe, You have commanded us through Moses Your servant to count the Omer, in order to purify us from our evil and uncleanness. As You have written in Your Torah, "You shall count for yourselves from the day following the day of rest, from the day on which you bring the Omer as a wave-offering; [the counting] shall be for seven full weeks. Until the day following the seventh week shall you count fifty days," so that the souls of Your people Israel may be cleansed from their defilement. Therefore, may it be Your will, Lord our God and God of our fathers, that in the merit of the -Omer which I counted today, the blemish that I have caused be rectified and I may be purified and sanctified with holiness. May abundant bounty thereby be bestowed upon the world. May it rectify our spirit and soul from every baseness and defect, and may it purify and sanctify us with Your holiness. Amen, selah
P
But Shilo....really?
"In the merit of" anything but faith in Jesus are we purified and sanctified with holiness?
This is the kind of thing I dislike about the Hebrew Roots movement...
Shilo, I have never seen you write anything that would lead me to believe you have faith in works for righteousness.
Till today.
"In the merit of" anything but faith in Jesus are we purified and sanctified with holiness?
This is the kind of thing I dislike about the Hebrew Roots movement...
Shilo, I have never seen you write anything that would lead me to believe you have faith in works for righteousness.
Till today.
K
That's the most challenging part. They pray that way about the sukkah too. The Jews didn't understand why they had to do these things, so they thought the merit was in the action. Everytime we see a prayer like that, it focuses us on what we need to probe for, to see how that aspect is fulfilled in Jesus. That's why their tradition marks it that way, so we know what to focus on.
P
Do you think so, Ken?
I disagree. If one looks deeply enough into the movement, which focuses primarily on the talmud and the mishnah and the midrash, one can see where this is all heading.
I don't think the focus is to be the Lord Jesus AS God.
Not to say the Old Testament is not as valuable as the New.
But I'll stick with the written Word. ♥
I disagree. If one looks deeply enough into the movement, which focuses primarily on the talmud and the mishnah and the midrash, one can see where this is all heading.
I don't think the focus is to be the Lord Jesus AS God.
Not to say the Old Testament is not as valuable as the New.
But I'll stick with the written Word. ♥