Counting The Cost

Israel · Oct 2, 2011

Luke 14:28-30

28For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,

30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

This is about God and our Father who is FULLY able to start what He finished. And it was indeed a goodly price!

With 30 pieces of silver, the Potter's field! The Potter being the Father, the field being the world.

We were ALL brought with a price.

Deadflesh · Oct 2, 2011

zone said:

Ive attened quite a few churches, and the holy spirit also is a witness agasint MOST churches.

I do what the LORD leads me to. Howmany have i baptised? none yet. However the LORD has brought me HERE to preach obedience. TO PEOPEL who dont get that message.

HOW do you know that peopel dont get that message? THEY HATE IT, they attack it, they call it WORKS.

OBEYING JESUS(which is only posible IN JESUS) is called works of the LAw? Thats insane. JESUS commanded we obey him. and WE obey him, SIMPLY, buy DYING!! DENYING self DAILY, and SEEKING HIM, COMMNG before the throne of GRACE and HEARING HIM, having HIM teach us.

Ephesians 4:21
If so be that you have heard him, and have been taught by him,...

WE must DAILY, deny ourselves. SOME peopel do this.

MOST, the MAJORITY does not. THE MAJORITY never hears this message. THE MAJORITY hates this message. if YOU do this, then i dotn understadn why you are agaisnt it.

JESUS said YOU will be JUDGED by MY WORDS. JESUS said the one who HEARS and OBEYS builds his house on ROCK. DO YOU HEAR JESUS?

WE can properly HEAR HIM if we DENY US. if WE are about US, if WE dont deny ourdesire adn HUMBLE ourselves before JESUS CHRIST DAILY, even hourly, to know HIS will, to be sanctified by HIS WORD, then HE is not LORD, WE are.

WE ARE NOT TO BE LORD OF OUR LIVES. WE MUST MAKE SURE THE LORD is pleased with all we do. TO DO HIS WILL. HE WILL LET US KNOW. But MOST are not taught this, the ones who DO baptise them, then send them out, into the hands of wicked men(they themselves may be wicked men)

There is MANY fasle gospels out there. Reformed is a part of it, as is Armenian. NOT MANY preach the TRUTH, they preach PART of it. the TRUTH is simple.

JEsus only. NOt US, Not our desire, not our wnats, not our worry and Fears of food, or clothign, or THIGNS desire, lusts of the eyes flesh adn pride of life...THAT is what needs to be denied DAILY, and intead JESUS is put first. IF you have a family, OF COURSE take care of them, you are worse then a heathen if you DONT.

But JESUS comes first, ALWAYS. NO ONE TEACHES THIS, they say you CAN have your cake and eat it too. YOu CAN have YOUR LIFE, and Christs life. ITS A LIE. YOU CAN NOT. its one or the other. And the ones who Try to have both are going AGAISNT the majority of the new testement.

I was never here to do anything but preach obedience(which is LOVE OF GOD),And teach about the Babylon church system. but, becasue i was dissobedeint to the CALL i got side tracked by the goings on in the world. all of which doesnt matter if you ARENT obeying JESUS.

YOU say you ARE. So why stand agaisnt it? MANY are not. If WE arent humbling ourselves DAILY, and going to God daily to remove ALL deception from us, and SEEKing HIM then we arent showing him we WANT him. TO BE washed and cleansed, and SPEDNING TIME IN HIM WITH HIM daily. To KNOW him, to taste him, to feel him to be LITERALLY COVERED by him...then we dont love him.

If you WANT to obey you WILL. HE will give you the power to do so. And the above list of NT comandments is repetitive. and a great majority WILL be automatic IF you have the holy spirit, HOWEVER there is ALSO a great majority that WE MUST DO. Like RESIST TEMPTATION JESUS gave us the power to do so...that power is HIM. WE NEVER HAVE TO GIVE IN. its a lie to say We DO have to.

All outbursts of anger, all angry saracasm, all selfish carnal actions works of the flesh, Selfish seeking desire fro OURSELF is NOT of GOD. I know its tough sometiems, i know its NOT goign to be autimatic in babes i n christ, they are GROWING to maturity, but even YOU Zone must admit the majority of Chruches DO NOT PREACH OBEDEINCE niether do they preach repentance. NOR TRUE FAITH

Its heresy to teach that YOU SHOULD NOT OBEY JESUS.

The Gospel is

REPENT = Turn From SIN

Beleive in JESUS who is LORD

OBEY JESUS Who is lord. (DENY SELF. EMBRACE HIM DAILY)

Teach others to do the same.

WE MUST BE TAUGHT BY JESUS. YES the LORdD uses men somtimes but if we AUTOMATICLY go to MEN, then we are BYPASSING JESUS and relyign on the arm of FLESH. we are trusting MAN in whom has breath, and NOT being still and waitng for JESUS to speak and teach us, SPENDIGN time at HIS THRONE, HE made that possible.

But hardly anyone preaches it. REPENT and OBEY. Thats it. TURN FORM YOU and LOVE GOD. THAT IS THE GOSEPEL, as WE LOVE HIM, TRULY and seek to love him MORE, HE makes it possible that we obey BETTER.

The MORE YOU GIVE TO HIM, the MORE HE CAN SHOW YOU HISMELF. if YOU hold onto idols then you remain blind. IDOLS can be a teaching, a GOAL, an activity, a person. We must depelte our selves of ourselves DAILY and be fileld with HIM DAILY. Repent DAILY and obey DAILY.

jonathanbchristian · Oct 2, 2011

I am currently looking to buy a used car. I also plan to make a long trip. So I am in the process of trying to decide how much do I spend on a used car. I need something that can make my trip and I need money left over for my trips expense. It's probably going to cost me around $300 dollars to make my trip. I have decided to buy a cheaper car instead of spending all my money on the car. This way I will have money to get my car fixed if it breaks down and I will have the money for my trip. God bless. Christians should do better than everyone at this kind of thing because we have so many teachings from the Bible. Please pray for my used car.

AnandaHya · Oct 2, 2011

Matthew 13:45-46
New King James Version (NKJV)

45 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, 46 who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it

So DF what is your opinion on the Word of Faith movement?

Deadflesh · Oct 2, 2011

AnandaHya said:

Dangerous..."Christ died Spiritualy", ..."We cant move God by our WILL".... Lots of dangerous teachings in that movement, many twistings of scripture

...But thats not really the topic or the idea of this thread.

Oh...did you ask becasue i mentioned that we need to speak GRACE to one another?

"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister(speak) grace to the hearers." Ephesians 4:29

Not word of faith, not name it and claim it, NOT "speaking blessings" but speaking GRACE IN grace. That means sacrasm directed at a person, STrippign down, and NOT buidlign up, and edification is of the devil not the holy spirit, so if one does these thigns, we know its NOT the Holy Spirit leadign them to do this, its FLESH, and its proof that one is walking IN the flesh.

Speaking grace = Let your conversation be pure, wise, and holy, that it may be the means of conveying grace, or Divine influences, to them that hear.

If WE are not speakign JESUS, then we should NOT speak. hold our tounge unles it leads one to Repentence and fear of the LORD, or leads one to be edified and to peace.

We are still way to worldy and carnal to be LIGHT sprinkled with Salt in the world.

We NEED to work on our selves and BUILD UP each other, NOT tarea down, but also NOT compramise truth.

Jesus bless you ananda.

Deadflesh · Oct 2, 2011

jonathanbchristian said:

...What? My friend Jon, Your TRIP, and your CAR should always be looked at as "IF THE LORD WILLS"

Have you asked the LORD if it WAS somthing HE wants you to do? Not saying it isnt, but make sure

And what do you mean Chrsitians should do better at this type of thing?

James 4:13-17
"Go to now, you that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: 14Whereas you know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor, that appears for a little time, and then vanishes away. 15For that you ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that. 16But now you rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil. 17Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

This is saying that NOTHING we do is of our will, nor our boasting. its EVIL to bost in anythign but JESUS' blood. So Tomorrow, the lord may want to Take you home.... So we should ALWAYS say "if the lord wills it, i will be alive tomorrow to do...this, or that...LORD WILLING he will grant me life adn breath again tomorrow, and THEN I WILL ASK HIM what i should do concernign this CAR.

ALL thigns are to be HIS will. SO MAKE SURE all we do IS infact what HE wills for us. JEsus bless you.

zone · Oct 3, 2011

Deadflesh said:

Ive attened quite a few churches, and the holy spirit also is a witness agasint MOST churches.

I do what the LORD leads me to. Howmany have i baptised? none yet. However the LORD has brought me HERE to preach obedience. TO PEOPEL who dont get that message.

HOW do you know that peopel dont get that message? THEY HATE IT, they attack it, they call it WORKS.

OBEYING JESUS(which is only posible IN JESUS) is called works of the LAw? Thats insane. JESUS commanded we obey him. and WE obey him, SIMPLY, buy DYING!! DENYING self DAILY, and SEEKING HIM, COMMNG before the throne of GRACE and HEARING HIM, having HIM teach us.

Ephesians 4:21
If so be that you have heard him, and have been taught by him,...

WE must DAILY, deny ourselves. SOME peopel do this.

MOST, the MAJORITY does not. THE MAJORITY never hears this message. THE MAJORITY hates this message. if YOU do this, then i dotn understadn why you are agaisnt it.

JESUS said YOU will be JUDGED by MY WORDS. JESUS said the one who HEARS and OBEYS builds his house on ROCK. DO YOU HEAR JESUS?

WE can properly HEAR HIM if we DENY US. if WE are about US, if WE dont deny ourdesire adn HUMBLE ourselves before JESUS CHRIST DAILY, even hourly, to know HIS will, to be sanctified by HIS WORD, then HE is not LORD, WE are.

WE ARE NOT TO BE LORD OF OUR LIVES. WE MUST MAKE SURE THE LORD is pleased with all we do. TO DO HIS WILL. HE WILL LET US KNOW. But MOST are not taught this, the ones who DO baptise them, then send them out, into the hands of wicked men(they themselves may be wicked men)

There is MANY fasle gospels out there. Reformed is a part of it, as is Armenian. NOT MANY preach the TRUTH, they preach PART of it. the TRUTH is simple.

JEsus only. NOt US, Not our desire, not our wnats, not our worry and Fears of food, or clothign, or THIGNS desire, lusts of the eyes flesh adn pride of life...THAT is what needs to be denied DAILY, and intead JESUS is put first. IF you have a family, OF COURSE take care of them, you are worse then a heathen if you DONT.

But JESUS comes first, ALWAYS. NO ONE TEACHES THIS, they say you CAN have your cake and eat it too. YOu CAN have YOUR LIFE, and Christs life. ITS A LIE. YOU CAN NOT. its one or the other. And the ones who Try to have both are going AGAISNT the majority of the new testement.

I was never here to do anything but preach obedience(which is LOVE OF GOD),And teach about the Babylon church system. but, becasue i was dissobedeint to the CALL i got side tracked by the goings on in the world. all of which doesnt matter if you ARENT obeying JESUS.

YOU say you ARE. So why stand agaisnt it? MANY are not. If WE arent humbling ourselves DAILY, and going to God daily to remove ALL deception from us, and SEEKing HIM then we arent showing him we WANT him. TO BE washed and cleansed, and SPEDNING TIME IN HIM WITH HIM daily. To KNOW him, to taste him, to feel him to be LITERALLY COVERED by him...then we dont love him.

If you WANT to obey you WILL. HE will give you the power to do so. And the above list of NT comandments is repetitive. and a great majority WILL be automatic IF you have the holy spirit, HOWEVER there is ALSO a great majority that WE MUST DO. Like RESIST TEMPTATION JESUS gave us the power to do so...that power is HIM. WE NEVER HAVE TO GIVE IN. its a lie to say We DO have to.

All outbursts of anger, all angry saracasm, all selfish carnal actions works of the flesh, Selfish seeking desire fro OURSELF is NOT of GOD. I know its tough sometiems, i know its NOT goign to be autimatic in babes i n christ, they are GROWING to maturity, but even YOU Zone must admit the majority of Chruches DO NOT PREACH OBEDEINCE niether do they preach repentance. NOR TRUE FAITH

Its heresy to teach that YOU SHOULD NOT OBEY JESUS.

The Gospel is

REPENT = Turn From SIN

Beleive in JESUS who is LORD

OBEY JESUS Who is lord. (DENY SELF. EMBRACE HIM DAILY)

Teach others to do the same.

WE MUST BE TAUGHT BY JESUS. YES the LORdD uses men somtimes but if we AUTOMATICLY go to MEN, then we are BYPASSING JESUS and relyign on the arm of FLESH. we are trusting MAN in whom has breath, and NOT being still and waitng for JESUS to speak and teach us, SPENDIGN time at HIS THRONE, HE made that possible.

But hardly anyone preaches it. REPENT and OBEY. Thats it. TURN FORM YOU and LOVE GOD. THAT IS THE GOSEPEL, as WE LOVE HIM, TRULY and seek to love him MORE, HE makes it possible that we obey BETTER.

The MORE YOU GIVE TO HIM, the MORE HE CAN SHOW YOU HISMELF. if YOU hold onto idols then you remain blind. IDOLS can be a teaching, a GOAL, an activity, a person. We must depelte our selves of ourselves DAILY and be fileld with HIM DAILY. Repent DAILY and obey DAILY.

who ever said i am against obedience Rob?

but you see, Jesus called 12 Apostles. He sent them,and they had supernatural power and authority.

they were to make disciples who learned to honour God and give Him thanks and Glory IN ALL THEY DO. they lived their lives, had families, loved them, their neighbours.
of course they were joyful: scripture says they WERE APPOINTED TO ETERNAL LIFE.

they worked, and carried on IN THE WORLD, yet new creatures, no longer bound to the kingdom of darkness.

women and men get married, have sex and have children. this is God's Will.

families and work and serving our neighbours by living peaceably and remaining available to give always give any account for the hope and the transformation in our lives.

i WAS DEAD. then He gave me LIFE, and in abundance. i have fewer possessions and things holding me down than before. but i have peace and joy and i do not worry (which is sin and unbelief), but look forward with great joy to seeing My King.

why do you insist that Christ requires SUFFERING until we are actully called to be persecuted Rob?

this blanket assumption that MOST christians are fake or nominal is bogus.

the ones who are apostates and wolves are obvious.

please try to relax and enjoy your great inheritence Rob.
love kath.

notIbutChrist · Oct 3, 2011

Deadflesh said:

For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it— Lk14:28

In Luke 14 the Lord explains Very Clearly in what manner MOST people will FAIL to enter the Kingdom of God. They simply Will Not Count the Cost! Jesus said time and again that entering through the Narrow Gate to eternal life would require Great Effort. To STRIVE and Dig Deep was the very essence of His Gospel Message. But there’s not a Preacher alive today anywhere who consider this the Message of Salvation. Rather they sell the Gospel as a FREE invitation into eternal life with Pre-forgiveness of sins and Nothing required but to Believe.

This Method has filled up the churches, but also has given us Masses of Professing Christians without a CLUE what it means to follow Jesus. Even more disturbing are the awakening remnant, who SEE the dilemma, at least in part, and still refuse to go all the way with Christ. They agree that the present day churches are reprobate and in gross error, but remain on the side lines, watching and waiting for some mysterious sign from heaven to prompt them to take action. Although it’s difficult to judge their motives as to why they lack the urgency clearly revealed in scripture, you can’t help but see the results of their neglect in disobeying the Commands of Jesus.

Obviously, even a casual reading of the Gospels will confirm that Christ Expects FAITHFUL Service from His Disciples. Repeatedly He warned them they would encounter the hatred of the world and especially the Religious establishment. They would face constant opposition from family members, friends and loved ones. In spite of it all they had to ENDURE to the end to be Saved! Stand fast in the Truth, bear their own Cross daily and NEVER regret that they embarked on the Narrow Way. ALL THIS is Cleary Written (recorded) for our admonition, to Heed, IF we are to inherit eternal life. God has entrusted His Disciples with talents and given them the responsibility to produce fruit for His Kingdom. Failure to DO these things will result in ultimate loss at the Judgment.

BUT NO ONE is telling you any of this in the Churches! Far as most of you are concerned you’re on the Fast Track to heaven no matter what. You are absolutely clueless when it comes to Contending for the faith, exposing the Wolves in Sheep’s clothing all around you. All because you REFUSE to Read your Bibles! And even if you do it’s with a clouded understanding based on your Doctrinal slant. Consequently Obedience to the Truth is OUT of the question in most circles. Unless it’s some kind of blind adherence to Pharisee like rules that have no advantage over the indulgence of the flesh. But with MOST Professing Christians, ANYTHING Goes! Self Denial for Truth is FAR from their Minds.

Jesus said specifically that Following Him was exclusive of everything else. If need be you must be prepared to disown your family members, spouse and friends. Without exception Christ’s Disciples are to have no permeate attachments with the things of the World. But today the Church is the WOLRD|! People would not attend unless the programs and activities were entertainment based. They Pose as wholesome family orientated amusements, but NONE of it is focused on Truth or bringing people out of their sins. How anyone whose eyes are open to the reality of the situation can remain inside the System is beyond reason! It’s like being n league with the Devil.

In the Bible we find Saints striving to maintain a Clear Conscience and Pure Heart. They were told that was the PURPOSE of the Commandment and the Doctrine that is according to godliness! Today the so-called Christians in the churches take great pride in having a defiled heart. They boast in being the Chief of Sinners and Wretched man. Everyone admittedly sins daily in thought, word and deed and believes it humbles them to be vile. Yet the Bible says that Sins HARDENS the heart not humbles it! No Wonder most professing Christians have a seared conscience. They have sinned with impunity for so long, the natural defense mechanism God has created in every person (to accuse or excuse them) is Gone!

Could anyone WALK in the Righteous Requirements of the law, or KEEP themselves Pure in the Love of God, Resist the Devil and Maintain a Clean heart when they are Sinning daily and disobeying the Commands of God? Certainly Not. BUT this is what they are taught! And they argue for it.

This is Why no one is Counting the Cost, or Repenting of their sin. They act as though Jesus went around telling people they were forgiven in advance, eternally secure and declared Righteous for receiving Him. You must always remember that the pastors inside the system are Convinced everyone attending their church is already saved. So if someone comes along and starts telling these people they have never counted the cost or truly repented of their sins is automatically a BAD person.

Counting the Cost means Opposing Traditional Doctrines. Pulling Down the Strongholds of Lies surrounding everything the people are hearing in the religious world. The Cost is the Loss of friends, family members, business associates, and colleagues. It’s exposing the hypocrisy and calling out the sins! It’s being unpopular, disliked and even despised by people who consider themselves pillars of the church. Finally it’s losing your life for His Sake and cutting all ties with the world. They will call you Beelzebub and do everything within their power to rid the churches of your presence. You are the Enemy.

The Professing Christian Systems of the World have NEVER been receptive of the Truth. The Cost to them is what they can Gain by Greed, conflict or theft. They will willingly go to War, but NEVER Contend for the Truth! They will grab for all the riches the world can provide, but NEVER store up the true riches in the Kingdom.

They will win the favor of multitudes with flattering speech and great swelling words of emptiness, but NEVER Demand that Repentance be Proven by Deeds. To them the Bible supports the fallacies and Myths they preach and teach. They really believe sins are forgiven in advance and Jesus Obeyed for them! It’s a foregone conclusion that everyone is born a sinner, hating God, and must be Saved in their sins. So everyone in the System is sitting around Waiting for God to Change their Desires and make them stop sinning, thinking they are saved!

The Reality is NO ONE is Preaching the Real Gospel. WORLD WIDE the so-called Christian System is Presenting a False Image of Jesus to the people and multitudes are buying into it. MOST people have Never even been exposed to the Truth and wouldn’t Know it if they heart it! As the Bible so rightly says: They have exchanged the truth of God for a Lie and gone under Strong Delusion. BUT they think they are of the Light! They Turn NO ONE from their iniquity and make the heart of the Righteous Sad. The Great Religious System built on shifting Sand will come crashing down with all its phony pundits. They Cry Peace today, but soon they will face the Judge. God help you awaken to truth before the Bell tolls

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Thank you deadflesh, great essay. We all do need to count the cost.

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