Counting The Cost

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Deadflesh

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For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it— Lk14:28


In Luke 14 the Lord explains Very Clearly in what manner MOST people will FAIL to enter the Kingdom of God. They simply Will Not Count the Cost! Jesus said time and again that entering through the Narrow Gate to eternal life would require Great Effort. To STRIVE and Dig Deep was the very essence of His Gospel Message. But there’s not a Preacher alive today anywhere who consider this the Message of Salvation. Rather they sell the Gospel as a FREE invitation into eternal life with Pre-forgiveness of sins and Nothing required but to Believe.


This Method has filled up the churches, but also has given us Masses of Professing Christians without a CLUE what it means to follow Jesus. Even more disturbing are the awakening remnant, who SEE the dilemma, at least in part, and still refuse to go all the way with Christ. They agree that the present day churches are reprobate and in gross error, but remain on the side lines, watching and waiting for some mysterious sign from heaven to prompt them to take action. Although it’s difficult to judge their motives as to why they lack the urgency clearly revealed in scripture, you can’t help but see the results of their neglect in disobeying the Commands of Jesus.


Obviously, even a casual reading of the Gospels will confirm that Christ Expects FAITHFUL Service from His Disciples. Repeatedly He warned them they would encounter the hatred of the world and especially the Religious establishment. They would face constant opposition from family members, friends and loved ones. In spite of it all they had to ENDURE to the end to be Saved! Stand fast in the Truth, bear their own Cross daily and NEVER regret that they embarked on the Narrow Way. ALL THIS is Cleary Written (recorded) for our admonition, to Heed, IF we are to inherit eternal life. God has entrusted His Disciples with talents and given them the responsibility to produce fruit for His Kingdom. Failure to DO these things will result in ultimate loss at the Judgment.


BUT NO ONE is telling you any of this in the Churches! Far as most of you are concerned you’re on the Fast Track to heaven no matter what. You are absolutely clueless when it comes to Contending for the faith, exposing the Wolves in Sheep’s clothing all around you. All because you REFUSE to Read your Bibles! And even if you do it’s with a clouded understanding based on your Doctrinal slant. Consequently Obedience to the Truth is OUT of the question in most circles. Unless it’s some kind of blind adherence to Pharisee like rules that have no advantage over the indulgence of the flesh. But with MOST Professing Christians, ANYTHING Goes! Self Denial for Truth is FAR from their Minds.


Jesus said specifically that Following Him was exclusive of everything else. If need be you must be prepared to disown your family members, spouse and friends. Without exception Christ’s Disciples are to have no permeate attachments with the things of the World. But today the Church is the WOLRD|! People would not attend unless the programs and activities were entertainment based. They Pose as wholesome family orientated amusements, but NONE of it is focused on Truth or bringing people out of their sins. How anyone whose eyes are open to the reality of the situation can remain inside the System is beyond reason! It’s like being n league with the Devil.


In the Bible we find Saints striving to maintain a Clear Conscience and Pure Heart. They were told that was the PURPOSE of the Commandment and the Doctrine that is according to godliness! Today the so-called Christians in the churches take great pride in having a defiled heart. They boast in being the Chief of Sinners and Wretched man. Everyone admittedly sins daily in thought, word and deed and believes it humbles them to be vile. Yet the Bible says that Sins HARDENS the heart not humbles it! No Wonder most professing Christians have a seared conscience. They have sinned with impunity for so long, the natural defense mechanism God has created in every person (to accuse or excuse them) is Gone!


Could anyone WALK in the Righteous Requirements of the law, or KEEP themselves Pure in the Love of God, Resist the Devil and Maintain a Clean heart when they are Sinning daily and disobeying the Commands of God? Certainly Not. BUT this is what they are taught! And they argue for it.


This is Why no one is Counting the Cost, or Repenting of their sin. They act as though Jesus went around telling people they were forgiven in advance, eternally secure and declared Righteous for receiving Him. You must always remember that the pastors inside the system are Convinced everyone attending their church is already saved. So if someone comes along and starts telling these people they have never counted the cost or truly repented of their sins is automatically a BAD person.


Counting the Cost means Opposing Traditional Doctrines. Pulling Down the Strongholds of Lies surrounding everything the people are hearing in the religious world. The Cost is the Loss of friends, family members, business associates, and colleagues. It’s exposing the hypocrisy and calling out the sins! It’s being unpopular, disliked and even despised by people who consider themselves pillars of the church. Finally it’s losing your life for His Sake and cutting all ties with the world. They will call you Beelzebub and do everything within their power to rid the churches of your presence. You are the Enemy.


The Professing Christian Systems of the World have NEVER been receptive of the Truth. The Cost to them is what they can Gain by Greed, conflict or theft. They will willingly go to War, but NEVER Contend for the Truth! They will grab for all the riches the world can provide, but NEVER store up the true riches in the Kingdom.


They will win the favor of multitudes with flattering speech and great swelling words of emptiness, but NEVER Demand that Repentance be Proven by Deeds. To them the Bible supports the fallacies and Myths they preach and teach. They really believe sins are forgiven in advance and Jesus Obeyed for them! It’s a foregone conclusion that everyone is born a sinner, hating God, and must be Saved in their sins. So everyone in the System is sitting around Waiting for God to Change their Desires and make them stop sinning, thinking they are saved!


The Reality is NO ONE is Preaching the Real Gospel. WORLD WIDE the so-called Christian System is Presenting a False Image of Jesus to the people and multitudes are buying into it. MOST people have Never even been exposed to the Truth and wouldn’t Know it if they heart it! As the Bible so rightly says: They have exchanged the truth of God for a Lie and gone under Strong Delusion. BUT they think they are of the Light! They Turn NO ONE from their iniquity and make the heart of the Righteous Sad. The Great Religious System built on shifting Sand will come crashing down with all its phony pundits. They Cry Peace today, but soon they will face the Judge. God help you awaken to truth before the Bell tolls

Standing the Gap: Counting The Cost!
 
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Another ridiculous cut and paste from a perfectionist website.

No need to respond to this brethren. Its heresy.
 
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Deadflesh

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Who is your bretheren Doc? BROTHERS are those who do the WILL of the FATHER. WHO is your father? and DO YOU DO HIS will? DO you even know what his will is?
 
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Yes to all questions.

Now can you preach Christ crucified?
 
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Have you counted the cost of being obsessed with relying on your own works, becoming sinless?

the wages of sin is DEATH!

Im not obsessed with becoming sinless. Im obsessed wiht knowing JESUS, and obeying HIM. ARe you? Why do you teach others that htey dotn have to obey JESUS?
 
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Im not obsessed with becoming sinless. Im obsessed wiht knowing JESUS, and obeying HIM. ARe you? Why do you teach others that htey dotn have to obey JESUS?
Because anyone who is saved by Grace will be doing it anyway.

And those who are not need to hear the GOOD news not the BAD news.
 
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Because anyone who is saved by Grace will be doing it anyway.

And those who are not need to hear the GOOD news not the BAD news.

The SPRIT of Grace leads one ot put to DEATH the deeds of the flesh. What are SOME of the deeds of the flesh DOC?

sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,

The SPIRIT of GRACE leads the SON of GOD to NOT have these anymore, AS the son of GOD submits.

Jesus said DENY SELF DAILY. that WAS a comand from the LORD. The SPIRIT is a gentleman. He will not FORCE us to do anythign we HAVE free will, and if we arent DENYING Self and our OWN desires, the SPIRIT can do nothign of the sort, and we CONTINUE to walk in the flesh, producing the frui of the flesh, adn not the fruit of the spirit.
 
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The SPRIT of Grace leads one ot put to DEATH the deeds of the flesh. What are SOME of the deeds of the flesh DOC?

sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,

The SPIRIT of GRACE leads the SON of GOD to NOT have these anymore, AS the son of GOD submits.

Jesus said DENY SELF DAILY. that WAS a comand from the LORD. The SPIRIT is a gentleman. He will not FORCE us to do anythign we HAVE free will, and if we arent DENYING Self and our OWN desires, the SPIRIT can do nothign of the sort, and we CONTINUE to walk in the flesh, producing the frui of the flesh, adn not the fruit of the spirit.
SO.....WHAT???

Why dont you take it to the streets?

Why do you accuse Christians of being lawless?

Where has anyone said that sinning all day long is a good thing?
 
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woodl

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For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it— Lk14:28


In Luke 14 the Lord explains Very Clearly in what manner MOST people will FAIL to enter the Kingdom of God. They simply Will Not Count the Cost! Jesus said time and again that entering through the Narrow Gate to eternal life would require Great Effort. To STRIVE and Dig Deep was the very essence of His Gospel Message. But there’s not a Preacher alive today anywhere who consider this the Message of Salvation. Rather they sell the Gospel as a FREE invitation into eternal life with Pre-forgiveness of sins and Nothing required but to Believe.


This Method has filled up the churches, but also has given us Masses of Professing Christians without a CLUE what it means to follow Jesus. Even more disturbing are the awakening remnant, who SEE the dilemma, at least in part, and still refuse to go all the way with Christ. They agree that the present day churches are reprobate and in gross error, but remain on the side lines, watching and waiting for some mysterious sign from heaven to prompt them to take action. Although it’s difficult to judge their motives as to why they lack the urgency clearly revealed in scripture, you can’t help but see the results of their neglect in disobeying the Commands of Jesus.


Obviously, even a casual reading of the Gospels will confirm that Christ Expects FAITHFUL Service from His Disciples. Repeatedly He warned them they would encounter the hatred of the world and especially the Religious establishment. They would face constant opposition from family members, friends and loved ones. In spite of it all they had to ENDURE to the end to be Saved! Stand fast in the Truth, bear their own Cross daily and NEVER regret that they embarked on the Narrow Way. ALL THIS is Cleary Written (recorded) for our admonition, to Heed, IF we are to inherit eternal life. God has entrusted His Disciples with talents and given them the responsibility to produce fruit for His Kingdom. Failure to DO these things will result in ultimate loss at the Judgment.


BUT NO ONE is telling you any of this in the Churches! Far as most of you are concerned you’re on the Fast Track to heaven no matter what. You are absolutely clueless when it comes to Contending for the faith, exposing the Wolves in Sheep’s clothing all around you. All because you REFUSE to Read your Bibles! And even if you do it’s with a clouded understanding based on your Doctrinal slant. Consequently Obedience to the Truth is OUT of the question in most circles. Unless it’s some kind of blind adherence to Pharisee like rules that have no advantage over the indulgence of the flesh. But with MOST Professing Christians, ANYTHING Goes! Self Denial for Truth is FAR from their Minds.


Jesus said specifically that Following Him was exclusive of everything else. If need be you must be prepared to disown your family members, spouse and friends. Without exception Christ’s Disciples are to have no permeate attachments with the things of the World. But today the Church is the WOLRD|! People would not attend unless the programs and activities were entertainment based. They Pose as wholesome family orientated amusements, but NONE of it is focused on Truth or bringing people out of their sins. How anyone whose eyes are open to the reality of the situation can remain inside the System is beyond reason! It’s like being n league with the Devil.


In the Bible we find Saints striving to maintain a Clear Conscience and Pure Heart. They were told that was the PURPOSE of the Commandment and the Doctrine that is according to godliness! Today the so-called Christians in the churches take great pride in having a defiled heart. They boast in being the Chief of Sinners and Wretched man. Everyone admittedly sins daily in thought, word and deed and believes it humbles them to be vile. Yet the Bible says that Sins HARDENS the heart not humbles it! No Wonder most professing Christians have a seared conscience. They have sinned with impunity for so long, the natural defense mechanism God has created in every person (to accuse or excuse them) is Gone!


Could anyone WALK in the Righteous Requirements of the law, or KEEP themselves Pure in the Love of God, Resist the Devil and Maintain a Clean heart when they are Sinning daily and disobeying the Commands of God? Certainly Not. BUT this is what they are taught! And they argue for it.


This is Why no one is Counting the Cost, or Repenting of their sin. They act as though Jesus went around telling people they were forgiven in advance, eternally secure and declared Righteous for receiving Him. You must always remember that the pastors inside the system are Convinced everyone attending their church is already saved. So if someone comes along and starts telling these people they have never counted the cost or truly repented of their sins is automatically a BAD person.


Counting the Cost means Opposing Traditional Doctrines. Pulling Down the Strongholds of Lies surrounding everything the people are hearing in the religious world. The Cost is the Loss of friends, family members, business associates, and colleagues. It’s exposing the hypocrisy and calling out the sins! It’s being unpopular, disliked and even despised by people who consider themselves pillars of the church. Finally it’s losing your life for His Sake and cutting all ties with the world. They will call you Beelzebub and do everything within their power to rid the churches of your presence. You are the Enemy.


The Professing Christian Systems of the World have NEVER been receptive of the Truth. The Cost to them is what they can Gain by Greed, conflict or theft. They will willingly go to War, but NEVER Contend for the Truth! They will grab for all the riches the world can provide, but NEVER store up the true riches in the Kingdom.


They will win the favor of multitudes with flattering speech and great swelling words of emptiness, but NEVER Demand that Repentance be Proven by Deeds. To them the Bible supports the fallacies and Myths they preach and teach. They really believe sins are forgiven in advance and Jesus Obeyed for them! It’s a foregone conclusion that everyone is born a sinner, hating God, and must be Saved in their sins. So everyone in the System is sitting around Waiting for God to Change their Desires and make them stop sinning, thinking they are saved!



The Reality is NO ONE is Preaching the Real Gospel. WORLD WIDE the so-called Christian System is Presenting a False Image of Jesus to the people and multitudes are buying into it. MOST people have Never even been exposed to the Truth and wouldn’t Know it if they heart it! As the Bible so rightly says: They have exchanged the truth of God for a Lie and gone under Strong Delusion. BUT they think they are of the Light! They Turn NO ONE from their iniquity and make the heart of the Righteous Sad. The Great Religious System built on shifting Sand will come crashing down with all its phony pundits. They Cry Peace today, but soon they will face the Judge. God help you awaken to truth before the Bell tolls
Standing the Gap: Counting The Cost!
I don't know if what you've posted was cut and pasted or it was from your heart but you just explaned the biggest part of today churches. It's really sad, but there is still some God fearing churches out there and praise God I've found one of them
 
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Deadflesh

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I don't know if what you've posted was cut and pasted or it was from your heart but you just explaned the biggest part of today churches. It's really sad, but there is still some God fearing churches out there and praise God I've found one of them

This is cut and pasted from a fellow brother who TRULY preaches the gospel. This IS my message as well normaly, however I felt to post this, as well as the other one by the same man.

Jesus bless You, Woodl, and im glad to hear you have found a good church, they really ARE few and far between. pray it stays that way. Be well my friend.
 
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This is cut and pasted from a fellow brother who TRULY preaches the gospel. This IS my message as well normaly, however I felt to post this, as well as the other one by the same man.

Jesus bless You, Woodl, and im glad to hear you have found a good church, they really ARE few and far between. pray it stays that way. Be well my friend.
So would you continue to spout this same works righteousness bull at Woody's church too?
 

zone

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Who is your bretheren Doc? BROTHERS are those who do the WILL of the FATHER. WHO is your father? and DO YOU DO HIS will? DO you even know what his will is?
1,050 New Testament Commands

1,050 New Testament Commands | Christian Assemblies International


this list is far too long to post.
let's go through this list of commands and see how we are doing.
i've been through the list many many times.

i thank God i KNOW the Will of the Father by READING ALL OF HIS COUNSEL. not just this OBSESSION with lusts of the flesh (drunk, porn, whatever the issue is).

i thank God i have an High Priest.

anybody up for the challenge?

CAN ANYONE GO THROUGH THAT LIST AND SAY THEY ARE OBEDIENT DAILY?

please, i would like to know. if your answer is NO, why do you continue to insist YOU ARE?
 
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zone

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For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it— Lk14:28


In Luke 14 the Lord explains Very Clearly in what manner MOST people will FAIL to enter the Kingdom of God. They simply Will Not Count the Cost! Jesus said time and again that entering through the Narrow Gate to eternal life would require Great Effort. To STRIVE and Dig Deep was the very essence of His Gospel Message

.But there’s not a Preacher alive today anywhere who consider this the Message of Salvation.


Standing the Gap: Counting The Cost!

wow.
that's quite an assertion.
i know of HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS who preach this message, and dozens on this board.

why would a preacher of sinlessness LIE?

ENTERING THE NARROW GATE IS NOT THE WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT.

FALSE GOSPEL.


John 10:9
I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.
 
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zone

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Arminianism is FALSE DOCTRINE.

Ephesians 2
By Grace Through Faith
1And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the bodya and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4Butb God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

what part of the Gospel is it they insist on DENYING?
THE HEART OF IT!
 

zone

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This is cut and pasted from a fellow brother who TRULY preaches the gospel. This IS my message as well normaly, however I felt to post this, as well as the other one by the same man.

Jesus bless You, Woodl, and im glad to hear you have found a good church, they really ARE few and far between. pray it stays that way. Be well my friend.
how do you know?
Rob, you are compelled to be honest, and i trust you will be.

how many churches have you personally attended long enough to know

1) what they preach
2) how transformed the congregation is?

i asked you elsewhere, and you may have answered:

you assert, and rightly so, that part of obedience is preaching the GOSPEL, baptising converts and making disciples:

how many have you baptised?
 
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Deadflesh

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Why would the Lord lead you to preach works righteousness in a church full of repentful Christians?

Exactly, so if the LORD led me to do it, then HE would have a reason. If they didnt need the message HE would not lead me to the church. IF he did then that measn SOMEONE THERE needed the message.