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Anidod

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Dcontroversal I have a question. So I understand why you're saying the things you're saying and also what she's saying, but i guess my question is, if the English bible is translated from the hebrew etc., how do you correlate the original text she presented for Gen 3:21 and for the other verse. I confirmed in my physical Strongs concordance and for light and skin it's the same.
 
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Decon, tell me please what inspired means to you.
It does not matter what it MEANS to either you or I....HOLY MEN, PENNED the word as they were MOVED by the SPIRIT...........and how many of them were JEWISH RABBIS?

Was Moses..NOPE
Joshua.....NOPE
AMOS....NOPE
DAVID....NOPE
ELIJAH....NOPE
JONAH......NOPE
PETER....NOPE
LUKE....NOPE
ISAIAH.....NOPE
JEREMIAH.....NOPE
JOB....NOPE
PETER.....NOPE

As a matter of fact.....only a FEW of the writers were identified as a RABBI........and as a matter of fact I can only think of TWO that were called that or took that title at one time or another........NOW SOME may call them RABBI's in the sense of the word.....but they were ORDINARY MEN...warriors, fig gatherers, fishermen, doctors, prophets, NOBODIES......taken by GOD, INSPIRED to pen the word and like PAUL had to be re-educated or educated BY GOD before they were used of GOD
 
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Dcontroversal I have a question. So I understand why you're saying the things you're saying and also what she's saying, but i guess my question is, if the English bible is translated from the hebrew etc., how do you correlate the original text she presented for Gen 3:21 and for the other verse. I confirmed in my physical Strongs concordance and for light and skin it's the same.
There are numerous HEBREW words that have been adjusted or corrupted......for example....the HEBREW for woman and fire are exactly the same except for a vowel point added by men......and regardless....ADAM states clearly as does GOD that ADAM was FLESH and EVE was FLESH before the fall.........it cannot be both........SO......I will go with what GOD expressively states.......GOD closed up the FLESH thereof and ADAM said she is FLESH of MY FLESH and BONE of MY BONE.....if they had been anything else it would have been made abundantly clear by the text.....and that is where we get into trouble and where the plethora of false dogma comes from....going outside the TEXT and the OBVIOUS to ASSUME something or PUSH something not given in TEXT.....HER first comment was....JEWISH RABBIS taught this or believed this......SORRY...I could care less what they believed.....it contradicts WHAT GOD has already said.....ADAM had his FLESH closed up and EVE is called FLESH of my (Adam) FLESH and BONE of my BONE.......I cannot chunk that to embrace a teaching that had it's source from some Jewish rabbis......

Look...I like Stones...and we agree on some things......this I cannot embrace....the word flesh is clear
 
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There are numerous HEBREW words that have been adjusted or corrupted......for example....the HEBREW for woman and fire are exactly the same except for a vowel point added by men......and regardless....ADAM states clearly as does GOD that ADAM was FLESH and EVE was FLESH before the fall.........it cannot be both........SO......I will go with what GOD expressively states.......GOD closed up the FLESH thereof and ADAM said she is FLESH of MY FLESH and BONE of MY BONE.....if they had been anything else it would have been made abundantly clear by the text.....and that is where we get into trouble and where the plethora of false dogma comes from....going outside the TEXT and the OBVIOUS to ASSUME something or PUSH something not given in TEXT.....HER first comment was....JEWISH RABBIS taught this or believed this......SORRY...I could care less what they believed.....it contradicts WHAT GOD has already said.....ADAM had his FLESH closed up and EVE is called FLESH of my (Adam) FLESH and BONE of my BONE.......I cannot chunk that to embrace a teaching that had it's source from some Jewish rabbis......

Look...I like Stones...and we agree on some things......this I cannot embrace....the word flesh is clear
Could it be flesh covered in light?🤔
 

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Well decon, I just read that several church fathers taught the same thing. Would you like me to post this?

Inspired is breath. Inspiration. From the breath of God, or hearing His Voice.
 
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Well decon, I just read that several church fathers taught the same thing. Would you like me to post this?

Inspired is breath. Inspiration. From the breath of God, or hearing His Voice.
Could care less what Church Father's taught flesh is flesh...end of story.....
 

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The understanding that Adam and Eve were once clothed in light before their fall is not only confirmed by the ancient Jews but also hinted at by the ancient Christians in what they have to say concerning the celestial bodies that are awaiting the believer. Church Father Arnobius, in his work Against Heathens writes in the notes the following about what believers have to look forward to:

But let us not reason from things terrestrial as regards things celestial: our coarse material fabrics are “shadows of the true.” The robes of light are realities, and are conformed to spiritual bodies, as even here a mist may envelop a tree. [vi]

Methodius, another church father says the following concerning the light that we shall be clothed with. He derives his comments from Isaiah 60 which speaks of the future messianic kingdom in which Israel will be in the center. He envisions what a body completely free from sin and corruption will be like. He writes:

Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. […] It is the Church whose children shall come to her with all speed after the resurrection, running to her from all quarters. She rejoices receiving the light which never goes down, and clothed with the brightness of the Word as with a robe. For with what other more precious or honourable ornament was it becoming that the queen should be adorned, to be led as a Bride to the Lord, when she had received a garment of light, and therefore was called by the Father? Come, then, let us go forward in our discourse, and look upon this marvelous woman as upon virgins prepared for a marriage, pure and undefiled, perfect and radiating a permanent beauty, wanting nothing of the brightness of light; and instead of a dress, clothed with light itself; and instead of precious stones, her head adorned with shining stars. For instead of the clothing which we have, she had light; and for gold and brilliant stones, she had stars; but stars not such as those which are set in the invisible heaven, but better and more resplendent, so that those may rather be considered as their images and likenesses, (emphasis mine). [vii]

The second century Christian document, the Revelation of Peter, written after 135 AD affords us a wonderful commentary as to what undoubtedly many Christians believed had happened and would come to pass. Again, we do not look at such texts as inspired of God, but as early Christian commentary on the Scriptures. Concerning the resurrected believers, the text states:

There appeared two men standing before the Lord […] upon whom we were not able to look. For there issued from their countenance a ray as of the sun, and their raiment was shining so as the eye of man never saw the like: for no mouth is able to declare nor heart to conceive the glory wherewith they were clad and the beauty of their countenance. Whom when we saw we were astonished, for their bodies were whiter than any snow and redder than any rose. And the redness of them was mingled with the whiteness, and, in a word, I am not able to declare their beauty. […]These are your (our) righteous brethren whose appearance ye did desire to see. […] the dwellers in that place were clad with the raiment of shining angels, and their raiment was like unto their land, (emphasis mine). [viii]

Note that the writer of this document believed that the resurrected saints would literally emit light from their bodies just as we have seen from numerous Scriptures. The writer identifies the two saints as Moses and Elias (Elijah). He also sees the shining analogous to the colors of a rainbow just like the colors that surround God in Ezekiel 1:28.

‘The Son at his coming will raise the dead . . . and will make my righteous ones shine seven times more than the sun, and will make their crowns shine like crystal and like the rainbow in the time of rain (crowns) which are perfumed with nard and cannot be contemplated (adorned) with rubies, with the colour of emeralds shining brightly, with topazes, gems, and yellow pearls that shine like the stars of heaven, and like the rays of the sun, sparkling which cannot be gazed upon.’ Again, of the angels: ‘ Their faces shine more than the sun; their crowns are as the rainbow in the time of rain. […] Their eyes shine like the morning star. […] Their raiment is not woven, but white as that of the fuller, according as I saw on the mountain where Moses and Elias were. [ix]

There seems to be little doubt that the early Church interpreted the resurrected bodies of the believers to be such that they would emit light and shine like the sun. Given that Jesus came as the second Adam and that we are in the corrupted image of the first Adam, we can infer that when God made the first Adam (in an uncorrupted state), that Adam must have radiated light in a manner similar to our resurrection bodies.
 

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And our very own dna emits light.
 
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Could it be flesh covered in light?🤔
I have already conceded that IF ANYTHING......it could be POSSIBLE that they SHOWN with the SAME LIGHT that MOSES had by being in the presence of God.....MOSES was FLESH and when allowed to view the BACK SIDE OF GOD shown with the GLORY of GOD.......I have stated this is a possibility but only SUPPOSITION on our part and regardless....THIS does not change the fact that ADAM and EVE were FLESH before the FALL.......
 

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I have already conceded that IF ANYTHING......it could be POSSIBLE that they SHOWN with the SAME LIGHT that MOSES had by being in the presence of God.....MOSES was FLESH and when allowed to view the BACK SIDE OF GOD shown with the GLORY of GOD.......I have stated this is a possibility but only SUPPOSITION on our part and regardless....THIS does not change the fact that ADAM and EVE were FLESH before the FALL.......
That’s reflection. Is similar to the moon reflecting the light of the sun. Is not the same as within.
 
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The understanding that Adam and Eve were once clothed in light before their fall is not only confirmed by the ancient Jews but also hinted at by the ancient Christians in what they have to say concerning the celestial bodies that are awaiting the believer. Church Father Arnobius, in his work Against Heathens writes in the notes the following about what believers have to look forward to:

But let us not reason from things terrestrial as regards things celestial: our coarse material fabrics are “shadows of the true.” The robes of light are realities, and are conformed to spiritual bodies, as even here a mist may envelop a tree. [vi]

Methodius, another church father says the following concerning the light that we shall be clothed with. He derives his comments from Isaiah 60 which speaks of the future messianic kingdom in which Israel will be in the center. He envisions what a body completely free from sin and corruption will be like. He writes:

Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. […] It is the Church whose children shall come to her with all speed after the resurrection, running to her from all quarters. She rejoices receiving the light which never goes down, and clothed with the brightness of the Word as with a robe. For with what other more precious or honourable ornament was it becoming that the queen should be adorned, to be led as a Bride to the Lord, when she had received a garment of light, and therefore was called by the Father? Come, then, let us go forward in our discourse, and look upon this marvelous woman as upon virgins prepared for a marriage, pure and undefiled, perfect and radiating a permanent beauty, wanting nothing of the brightness of light; and instead of a dress, clothed with light itself; and instead of precious stones, her head adorned with shining stars. For instead of the clothing which we have, she had light; and for gold and brilliant stones, she had stars; but stars not such as those which are set in the invisible heaven, but better and more resplendent, so that those may rather be considered as their images and likenesses, (emphasis mine). [vii]

The second century Christian document, the Revelation of Peter, written after 135 AD affords us a wonderful commentary as to what undoubtedly many Christians believed had happened and would come to pass. Again, we do not look at such texts as inspired of God, but as early Christian commentary on the Scriptures. Concerning the resurrected believers, the text states:

There appeared two men standing before the Lord […] upon whom we were not able to look. For there issued from their countenance a ray as of the sun, and their raiment was shining so as the eye of man never saw the like: for no mouth is able to declare nor heart to conceive the glory wherewith they were clad and the beauty of their countenance. Whom when we saw we were astonished, for their bodies were whiter than any snow and redder than any rose. And the redness of them was mingled with the whiteness, and, in a word, I am not able to declare their beauty. […]These are your (our) righteous brethren whose appearance ye did desire to see. […] the dwellers in that place were clad with the raiment of shining angels, and their raiment was like unto their land, (emphasis mine). [viii]

Note that the writer of this document believed that the resurrected saints would literally emit light from their bodies just as we have seen from numerous Scriptures. The writer identifies the two saints as Moses and Elias (Elijah). He also sees the shining analogous to the colors of a rainbow just like the colors that surround God in Ezekiel 1:28.

‘The Son at his coming will raise the dead . . . and will make my righteous ones shine seven times more than the sun, and will make their crowns shine like crystal and like the rainbow in the time of rain (crowns) which are perfumed with nard and cannot be contemplated (adorned) with rubies, with the colour of emeralds shining brightly, with topazes, gems, and yellow pearls that shine like the stars of heaven, and like the rays of the sun, sparkling which cannot be gazed upon.’ Again, of the angels: ‘ Their faces shine more than the sun; their crowns are as the rainbow in the time of rain. […] Their eyes shine like the morning star. […] Their raiment is not woven, but white as that of the fuller, according as I saw on the mountain where Moses and Elias were. [ix]

There seems to be little doubt that the early Church interpreted the resurrected bodies of the believers to be such that they would emit light and shine like the sun. Given that Jesus came as the second Adam and that we are in the corrupted image of the first Adam, we can infer that when God made the first Adam (in an uncorrupted state), that Adam must have radiated light in a manner similar to our resurrection bodies.
The writer of this document believed
We can INFER
Confirmed by the Ancient JEWS <---NO JEWS till after Abraham so which ones
Hinted at by early Christians and what they have to say
Anther church father says, derives, envisions

NONE of that equals biblical truth

GOD closed up the FLESH thereof <------THIS is CLEAR
FLESH of MY FLESH <---THIS IS clear

2 witnesses that ADAM WAS FLESH
 

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Around 1923 Ukrainian Biologist Alexander Gurwitsh discovered that living things such as onions and yeast produced an ultra-weak photon emission according to the Fritz-Albert Popp Institute. [xvi] This discovery was then confirmed independently by Russian scientists around 1950 when they discovered an “ultraweak photon emission” from living organisms. Again, the discovery of photon emission was confirmed independently of the previous finding by Italian nuclear physicists L. Colli, U. Facchini, G. Guidotti and R. Dugnani-Lonati, M Orsenigo in 1955 who “by chance discovered a ‘bioluminescence’ of seedlings,”. They published their finding in an article. Further Measurements on the Bioluminescence of the Seedlings [xvii] even though they did not believe it to be of great consequence.

The fact that DNA emits light is now a well established fact, even if it is relatively unknown to the general public. The Fritz-Albert Popp
 
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That’s reflection. Is similar to the moon reflecting the light of the sun. Is not the same as within.
FALSE again...do you actually study Stones?

MOSES SHONE long AFTER he was NOT in GOD's presence....geesh..........arguing truth with you is akin to me arguing with a tree in the yard......
 
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Around 1923 Ukrainian Biologist Alexander Gurwitsh discovered that living things such as onions and yeast produced an ultra-weak photon emission according to the Fritz-Albert Popp Institute. [xvi] This discovery was then confirmed independently by Russian scientists around 1950 when they discovered an “ultraweak photon emission” from living organisms. Again, the discovery of photon emission was confirmed independently of the previous finding by Italian nuclear physicists L. Colli, U. Facchini, G. Guidotti and R. Dugnani-Lonati, M Orsenigo in 1955 who “by chance discovered a ‘bioluminescence’ of seedlings,”. They published their finding in an article. Further Measurements on the Bioluminescence of the Seedlings [xvii] even though they did not believe it to be of great consequence.

The fact that DNA emits light is now a well established fact, even if it is relatively unknown to the general public. The Fritz-Albert Popp
I can see why DC like yours discussions lol so informative 😊🤗
 

stonesoffire

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Decon....white in Greek translates to light. Robes of light. Look at it. If you haven’t already that is.
 
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I can see why DC like yours discussions lol so informative 😊🤗
Well correction i'm not sure if he likes all your discussions lol but you are smart. 😊