This says absolutely nothing about in whose image angels are created. You are doing nothing now but grasping at straws and misrepresenting random texts. You have completely abandoned the topic we were discussing regarding the light of Genesis. If you have nothing more than this then I am going to stop this here.
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Genesis 1:
[SUP]6[/SUP] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [SUP]7[/SUP] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. [SUP]8[/SUP] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
The 'firmament' is the atmosphere - also referred to as the 'first' heaven. The waters which were above the firmament separated the 'first' heaven from the 'second' heaven. The 'third' heaven is thought to be outside of the whole created universe; albeit, the angels can enter into it... ( thought-provoking )
[SUP]6[/SUP] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [SUP]7[/SUP] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. [SUP]8[/SUP] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
The 'firmament' is the atmosphere - also referred to as the 'first' heaven. The waters which were above the firmament separated the 'first' heaven from the 'second' heaven. The 'third' heaven is thought to be outside of the whole created universe; albeit, the angels can enter into it... ( thought-provoking )
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Phillipians 3:21-who, by the power*that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies*so that they will be like his glorious body.*
Rev 1:16-His face was like the sun*shining in all its brilliance.
Rev 10:1-I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven...his face was like the sun.
Rev 22: "I, Jesus,*have sent my angel*to give you*this testimony for the churches.*
Through him all things were made this is how. This image of the heavenly Christ from Rev. 1 giving John the testimony of the churches, is the very Angel Jesus said he sent.
The face shining like the sun of the Angel in Rev 10 is the exact thing described in Rev 1 as the image of the glorious christ. And as Phillipians says, will transform our lowly bodies to be like his. It has every thing to do with the beginning. He is the beginning and the end.
Rev 1:16-His face was like the sun*shining in all its brilliance.
Rev 10:1-I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven...his face was like the sun.
Rev 22: "I, Jesus,*have sent my angel*to give you*this testimony for the churches.*
Through him all things were made this is how. This image of the heavenly Christ from Rev. 1 giving John the testimony of the churches, is the very Angel Jesus said he sent.
The face shining like the sun of the Angel in Rev 10 is the exact thing described in Rev 1 as the image of the glorious christ. And as Phillipians says, will transform our lowly bodies to be like his. It has every thing to do with the beginning. He is the beginning and the end.
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Genesis 1:
[SUP]6[/SUP] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [SUP]7[/SUP] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. [SUP]8[/SUP] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
The 'firmament' is the atmosphere - also referred to as the 'first' heaven. The waters which were above the firmament separated the 'first' heaven from the 'second' heaven. The 'third' heaven is thought to be outside of the whole created universe; albeit, the angels can enter into it... ( thought-provoking )
[SUP]6[/SUP] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [SUP]7[/SUP] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. [SUP]8[/SUP] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
The 'firmament' is the atmosphere - also referred to as the 'first' heaven. The waters which were above the firmament separated the 'first' heaven from the 'second' heaven. The 'third' heaven is thought to be outside of the whole created universe; albeit, the angels can enter into it... ( thought-provoking )
Let there be an expanse between the waters*to separate water from water." "God called*the expanse "sky." God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth",* the waters above the sky, are the highest heavens, read it again, God calls the firmament sky, and on day four he creates the sun, moon, and stars and puts them in that firmament
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This is where you have to decide whether God placed the 'lights' literally IN the firmament - or, so that they "could be seen" in the firmament ( from below, on the earth ).
Thought-provoking, nonetheless...
Do you think the phrase "open firmament" in Genesis 1:20 is differentiated based on the word 'open'? Or, do birds fly anywhere in the entire spatial realm known as the 'firmament'?
Thought-provoking, nonetheless...
Do you think the phrase "open firmament" in Genesis 1:20 is differentiated based on the word 'open'? Or, do birds fly anywhere in the entire spatial realm known as the 'firmament'?
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Genesis 1:
[SUP]6[/SUP] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [SUP]7[/SUP] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. [SUP]8[/SUP] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
The 'firmament' is the atmosphere - also referred to as the 'first' heaven. The waters which were above the firmament separated the 'first' heaven from the 'second' heaven. The 'third' heaven is thought to be outside of the whole created universe; albeit, the angels can enter into it... ( thought-provoking )
[SUP]6[/SUP] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [SUP]7[/SUP] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. [SUP]8[/SUP] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
The 'firmament' is the atmosphere - also referred to as the 'first' heaven. The waters which were above the firmament separated the 'first' heaven from the 'second' heaven. The 'third' heaven is thought to be outside of the whole created universe; albeit, the angels can enter into it... ( thought-provoking )
And remember, Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is among us, so when you draw it put a #1 on the waters below, a #2 on the expanse, and #3 for the waters above that expanse and you have it
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Genesis 1:
[SUP]6[/SUP] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [SUP]7[/SUP] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. [SUP]8[/SUP] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
The 'firmament' is the atmosphere - also referred to as the 'first' heaven. The waters which were above the firmament separated the 'first' heaven from the 'second' heaven. The 'third' heaven is thought to be outside of the whole created universe; albeit, the angels can enter into it... ( thought-provoking )
[SUP]6[/SUP] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [SUP]7[/SUP] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. [SUP]8[/SUP] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
The 'firmament' is the atmosphere - also referred to as the 'first' heaven. The waters which were above the firmament separated the 'first' heaven from the 'second' heaven. The 'third' heaven is thought to be outside of the whole created universe; albeit, the angels can enter into it... ( thought-provoking )
This is where you have to decide whether God placed the 'lights' literally IN the firmament - or, so that they "could be seen" in the firmament ( from below, on the earth ).
Thought-provoking, nonetheless...
Do you think the phrase "open firmament" in Genesis 1:20 is differentiated based on the word 'open'? Or, do birds fly anywhere in the entire spatial realm known as the 'firmament'?
Thought-provoking, nonetheless...
Do you think the phrase "open firmament" in Genesis 1:20 is differentiated based on the word 'open'? Or, do birds fly anywhere in the entire spatial realm known as the 'firmament'?
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What is your perspective, oldhermit?
When I drew it out, it literally took me a out 30 minutes to wrap my head around it. Read psalm 148, it tells you what the waters above the sky, or heaven or firmament in your translation is.
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What is your perspective, oldhermit?
Ecclesiastes 10:20*"Do not revile the king even in your thoughts, or curse the rich in your bedroom, because a bird of the air*may carry your words, and a bird on the wing may report what you say."
Six days is six days. The Bible confirms this elsewhere.
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exodus 20:11).
I mean, you don't assume that Jesus was in the grave for 3000 years.... do you? The Bible says he was in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights. But wait.... it could be a thousand years..... no. The Bible means what it says. Folks want to change it because they want to cram Evolution into the Bible. But that is not possible, though.
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exodus 20:11).
I mean, you don't assume that Jesus was in the grave for 3000 years.... do you? The Bible says he was in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights. But wait.... it could be a thousand years..... no. The Bible means what it says. Folks want to change it because they want to cram Evolution into the Bible. But that is not possible, though.
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Why do people think I don't know what plasma is, or the laws physics, and what constitutes day?? Thats not what the question I asked is.
The very reason I'm saying it has to be something else is because I know what it takes for that.
It takes a sun. It takes a completely formed Earth, completed in the form as we know it.
It takes a universe.
That's why I'm saying it had to be something else.
Day 1, there is no sun.
Day 1, the earth is without form.
Day 1, there is no 'year' either, which is also constituted from a universal constant we have today, just as the length of the day is.
So again I will if the universe is not even formed yet, what and where is this matter.
Day 1 the earth is without form and there is darkness. The only two descriptions we have of the Earth before God started working, are those two states of existense. The only one of those states of existense addresssed on day one was the darkness. Therefore, at the end of day one, there is light, but the earth is still without form.
We look at the phrase waters under the sky and assume, that they are already in this nice little formed ball, and the earth was a ball of water and the land hadn't sprang up from the deep yet. And thats wrong. He said let the waters under the sky be gathered together, and let dry land appear. It doesnt say, gather the waters into the oceans so land could pop up. Take all this water under the sky, that is without form, and concentrate that into one place, and let dry ground appear....viola', you know have an earth in the form as we know it.
So, The reason I ask is because I know what matter and plasma are, they are comprised in the physical universe as we know it. Without a physical universe, there is no matter as we know it, there are no laws describing their actions as we know it.
There is dark matter, but it's still in the visible universe, which means it want even around as we know it until day two.
The very reason I'm saying it has to be something else is because I know what it takes for that.
It takes a sun. It takes a completely formed Earth, completed in the form as we know it.
It takes a universe.
That's why I'm saying it had to be something else.
Day 1, there is no sun.
Day 1, the earth is without form.
Day 1, there is no 'year' either, which is also constituted from a universal constant we have today, just as the length of the day is.
So again I will if the universe is not even formed yet, what and where is this matter.
Day 1 the earth is without form and there is darkness. The only two descriptions we have of the Earth before God started working, are those two states of existense. The only one of those states of existense addresssed on day one was the darkness. Therefore, at the end of day one, there is light, but the earth is still without form.
We look at the phrase waters under the sky and assume, that they are already in this nice little formed ball, and the earth was a ball of water and the land hadn't sprang up from the deep yet. And thats wrong. He said let the waters under the sky be gathered together, and let dry land appear. It doesnt say, gather the waters into the oceans so land could pop up. Take all this water under the sky, that is without form, and concentrate that into one place, and let dry ground appear....viola', you know have an earth in the form as we know it.
So, The reason I ask is because I know what matter and plasma are, they are comprised in the physical universe as we know it. Without a physical universe, there is no matter as we know it, there are no laws describing their actions as we know it.
There is dark matter, but it's still in the visible universe, which means it want even around as we know it until day two.
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Job 38 describes the formation of the Earth when it was without form. At that time everything that comprised the Earth just was. Apparently the waters were just 'there' and spread out all over the place.
Two statements from God in Job prove that.
#1. God marked off its dimensions.
#2. God used a measuring line.
When God formed the earth, he didn't just make land appear out of water. He concentrated everything that was to be the earth into one place, and gave it a certain size and dimension.
Two statements from God in Job prove that.
#1. God marked off its dimensions.
#2. God used a measuring line.
When God formed the earth, he didn't just make land appear out of water. He concentrated everything that was to be the earth into one place, and gave it a certain size and dimension.
Water is made up of atoms. It has physical substance. it is matter. Water was the one thing that was not created in the six day creation. So God created it before-hand at some point. So water was already in the universe before God hovered over the face of the waters of the deep. I believe this is an important message spiritually to understand because "water" in the Bible sometimes refers to the Word of God. Meaning, the Word of God lives and abides forever. God built the universe on the pre-existence of the Word of God. For the Living Word spoke the universe into existence. Not in some evolutionary way that needed to take a long time. For when does God need to do things naturally? God is a miracle worker. He created the laws of physics. Even and morning is not a one thousand year period. If I told you in normal conversation about how I spent an evening and a morning on one day... you are not going to assume I am speaking of one thousand years. It's not possible. One evening and one morning = one day. You would need many evenings and many mornings to = a 1000 year period.
The only reason people twist Genesis is that they want to force the unproven theory of Evolution into the Bible. There is no other reason to twist Genesis. One is motivated by Science so falsely called. We see this happen in other areas of false theology, too.
The only reason people twist Genesis is that they want to force the unproven theory of Evolution into the Bible. There is no other reason to twist Genesis. One is motivated by Science so falsely called. We see this happen in other areas of false theology, too.
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Omgosh, the more I think about this whole topic the more confused I get!
The waters from water, and the firmament or expanse. How long was the first day, was the earth in a ball rotating, making it a day?
The waters are separated, which means the firmament has a bottom, and it has a top. In that space between the two he puts the sun, and moon and all the rest of the stars.
There had to be two different kinds of waters, one is spiritual and one is physical. Why else would they be separated?
But how did they exist before there was a separation? Were they all mingled up together, or what? Ugh, it's so confusing.
God is light, and Gods glory is a different kind of light. God is invisible. Did God just make his light visible to the deep? And if so, why can't I see the invisible now? I can still see light, but I can't see the light of the invisible one who IS full of light?
Oh its so confusing. Old hermit, I thought I was on the right track, but you had me thinking all night man. Sorry I got off topic by the way!!
I know God's shakina Glory. And I also know he is invisible. It is too much for me to know what matter is existing in the spiritual realm, what light was created without the sun. It can't just be plasma and gas, giving off a light, if that was the case, we would see two types of light shining on the earth right? Both plasma and gas give off light, indeed that is what the sun is, but wouldn't that mean there would be two suns?
Then I get back to the wisdom thing.
There are two suns.
One a son,
The other a sun.
Both are a light, why was it darkness was just on the face of the deep? Didn't the waters above and the waters below, exist together, without a separation? How was it he singled out the deep when speaking about the darkness? Old hermit help man. I'm gonna do a thread on the other topic by the way, I know it sounded out there....but at least take a look.
The waters from water, and the firmament or expanse. How long was the first day, was the earth in a ball rotating, making it a day?
The waters are separated, which means the firmament has a bottom, and it has a top. In that space between the two he puts the sun, and moon and all the rest of the stars.
There had to be two different kinds of waters, one is spiritual and one is physical. Why else would they be separated?
But how did they exist before there was a separation? Were they all mingled up together, or what? Ugh, it's so confusing.
God is light, and Gods glory is a different kind of light. God is invisible. Did God just make his light visible to the deep? And if so, why can't I see the invisible now? I can still see light, but I can't see the light of the invisible one who IS full of light?
Oh its so confusing. Old hermit, I thought I was on the right track, but you had me thinking all night man. Sorry I got off topic by the way!!
I know God's shakina Glory. And I also know he is invisible. It is too much for me to know what matter is existing in the spiritual realm, what light was created without the sun. It can't just be plasma and gas, giving off a light, if that was the case, we would see two types of light shining on the earth right? Both plasma and gas give off light, indeed that is what the sun is, but wouldn't that mean there would be two suns?
Then I get back to the wisdom thing.
There are two suns.
One a son,
The other a sun.
Both are a light, why was it darkness was just on the face of the deep? Didn't the waters above and the waters below, exist together, without a separation? How was it he singled out the deep when speaking about the darkness? Old hermit help man. I'm gonna do a thread on the other topic by the way, I know it sounded out there....but at least take a look.
And you have a considerable sum of money you would be willing to bet on that, right?
Here is something that is really interesting. A young earth creationist who is fond of Answers in Genesis who disagrees with their position on yom:
One Reason I Am Skeptical of Young-Earth Materials | Proslogion
Here is something that is really interesting. A young earth creationist who is fond of Answers in Genesis who disagrees with their position on yom:
One Reason I Am Skeptical of Young-Earth Materials | Proslogion