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Or perhaps, more error in understanding me.
Yeah... so?
We haven't been talking about this, and even if we had been, I would not have disagreed with anything you say or cite here.
If that were the case, you would be right. However, I have not claimed that God "told me" anything about the creation of the universe that He hasn't told everyone else in scripture. I have not claimed that the universe came into being by evolution and other natural processes directly against His word; I have only claimed that the universe came into being by evolution and other natural processes in accordance with His word.
If God created the universe, then He created nature. If He created Nature, He created natural processes, including evolution. The first chapter of Genesis describes the natural process of evolution remarkably accurately, for such a short summary--first there were swimmy things, then crawly and flying things, then animals, and then man--PRESTO!--Evolution!
So what does explaining to you how the universe came into being by evolution and other natural processes created by God, in accordance with His word, make me?
Even if that were so, repenting of a lying spirit in my mouth wouldn't help much with my typing, now, would it?
Yeah... so?
We haven't been talking about this, and even if we had been, I would not have disagreed with anything you say or cite here.
If that were the case, you would be right. However, I have not claimed that God "told me" anything about the creation of the universe that He hasn't told everyone else in scripture. I have not claimed that the universe came into being by evolution and other natural processes directly against His word; I have only claimed that the universe came into being by evolution and other natural processes in accordance with His word.
If God created the universe, then He created nature. If He created Nature, He created natural processes, including evolution. The first chapter of Genesis describes the natural process of evolution remarkably accurately, for such a short summary--first there were swimmy things, then crawly and flying things, then animals, and then man--PRESTO!--Evolution!
So what does explaining to you how the universe came into being by evolution and other natural processes created by God, in accordance with His word, make me?
Even if that were so, repenting of a lying spirit in my mouth wouldn't help much with my typing, now, would it?
It may not mean much, but I like you. You have said that you believe the One True Gospel unto Salvation. I can live with that, and hope the Holy Spirit works in your heart to weed out the vast amount of error you hold. I don't mean that as an insult.
Be Blessed.
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I don't call God a liar. I call men liars when they claim that the Bible was intended to be used as a science book or as a history book (or as a cook book, for that matter, but I don't hear a lot of people claiming that).
Maybe God changed His mind. The scriptures tell us that He already changed His mind twice with regards to the flood--first He said that creating man was a good idea, then He decided maybe it wasn't, so He killed them all, and then He thought maybe He overreacted and promised never to do that again.
We don't know the mind of God. We do know that there was no global flood. We have a pretty good idea that the story of the flood is intended to teach us some important spiritual truths, since it is included in the Bible, but we know that it's not intended to be a historical or scientific account--because the Bible is not intended to be used as a history book or as a science book.
A local event is one possibility. There is also the possibility that it is another parable, like the parable of the Garden of Eden. There are other possibiities too--but none of them are really that important. The important thing is to learn the important spiritual truths that God is trying to teach you through the story of Noah--e.g., that God will sustain you when you remain rooted in Him, even when everyone around you ridicules you for it.
Maybe God changed His mind. The scriptures tell us that He already changed His mind twice with regards to the flood--first He said that creating man was a good idea, then He decided maybe it wasn't, so He killed them all, and then He thought maybe He overreacted and promised never to do that again.
We don't know the mind of God. We do know that there was no global flood. We have a pretty good idea that the story of the flood is intended to teach us some important spiritual truths, since it is included in the Bible, but we know that it's not intended to be a historical or scientific account--because the Bible is not intended to be used as a history book or as a science book.
A local event is one possibility. There is also the possibility that it is another parable, like the parable of the Garden of Eden. There are other possibiities too--but none of them are really that important. The important thing is to learn the important spiritual truths that God is trying to teach you through the story of Noah--e.g., that God will sustain you when you remain rooted in Him, even when everyone around you ridicules you for it.
Your old earth notions and confusion regarding genealogies are both in serious error.....due to a failure to compile sufficient research data. Trust me on that.....
The Standard Models….practically all of them....are wrong. Dead wrong. This I know to be true.
Exodus: 1605 BC
Birth of Abraham: 2322 BC
Those dates are probably +/- 2 years. The scripture is exceedingly clear in dating back to the birth of Abraham.
Prior to Abraham however, you are dealing with this......
http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/genesis_genealogies.html
http://www.genevaninstitute.org/syl...rimeval-chronology-by-dr-william-henry-green/
I have posted these links many times during my stay here. They scarcely received a golf clap.....
Nevertheless, the creation event could easily be 50,000 BC. Nobody knows for sure. But billions of years? You had better study up on the Electric/Plasma universe theory to understand how quickly things actually happen and how things actually work. Maybe you need to understand that GRAVITY is NOT a constant and varies due to at least 3 factors. Maybe you need to understand the fact that megafauna could not possibly live in todays "gravity". Maybe you need to understand that gravity is nothing less than a manifestation of the electromagnetic force. Maybe you need to understand what the dielectric counterspace is and what is the result of the loss of intertia.
The Standard Models….practically all of them....are wrong. Dead wrong. This I know to be true.
Exodus: 1605 BC
Birth of Abraham: 2322 BC
Those dates are probably +/- 2 years. The scripture is exceedingly clear in dating back to the birth of Abraham.
Prior to Abraham however, you are dealing with this......
http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/genesis_genealogies.html
http://www.genevaninstitute.org/syl...rimeval-chronology-by-dr-william-henry-green/
I have posted these links many times during my stay here. They scarcely received a golf clap.....
Nevertheless, the creation event could easily be 50,000 BC. Nobody knows for sure. But billions of years? You had better study up on the Electric/Plasma universe theory to understand how quickly things actually happen and how things actually work. Maybe you need to understand that GRAVITY is NOT a constant and varies due to at least 3 factors. Maybe you need to understand the fact that megafauna could not possibly live in todays "gravity". Maybe you need to understand that gravity is nothing less than a manifestation of the electromagnetic force. Maybe you need to understand what the dielectric counterspace is and what is the result of the loss of intertia.
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
inerrant: incapable of being wrong
Joseph cannot possibly be the biological son of more than one man (and only the biological lineage counts in a genealogy). When one Gospel says that Joseph is the son of Heli, and another Gospel says that Joseph is the son of Jacob, one of them is wrong. If one of them is wrong, then the genealogies cannot, by definition, be inerrant.
QED
For... what? C'mon, man; don't leave me hanging like that!
You know better than all the earth scientists on the planet? My goodness, why are you keeping all this a secret? Surely you should publish your findings to enlighten the world--it would mean a Nobel Prize for you, and centuries of advancement for the rest of us!
Or, it could be that the earth scientists have it right, and YOU are wrong--but I guess we will never know which...
inerrant: incapable of being wrong
Joseph cannot possibly be the biological son of more than one man (and only the biological lineage counts in a genealogy). When one Gospel says that Joseph is the son of Heli, and another Gospel says that Joseph is the son of Jacob, one of them is wrong. If one of them is wrong, then the genealogies cannot, by definition, be inerrant.
QED
For... what? C'mon, man; don't leave me hanging like that!
You know better than all the earth scientists on the planet? My goodness, why are you keeping all this a secret? Surely you should publish your findings to enlighten the world--it would mean a Nobel Prize for you, and centuries of advancement for the rest of us!
Or, it could be that the earth scientists have it right, and YOU are wrong--but I guess we will never know which...
Regarding others with agape love always means something.
Me too!
I don't like to talk about the things I'm not sure about yet, or things that I know I'm probably wrong about, though. Just imagine how much more value I would have to the world if all of THOSE things could be as certain as the things I have shared with you here!
Me too!
I don't like to talk about the things I'm not sure about yet, or things that I know I'm probably wrong about, though. Just imagine how much more value I would have to the world if all of THOSE things could be as certain as the things I have shared with you here!
Like I said before--you could be right, and every shred of rational evidence, observation, and interpretation could be wrong...
Or... you could be wrong.
We have no way of knowing if God is trying to trick us into believing that His creation is something that it does not appear to be--but if God is a liar, then you could very well be right, and His creation could be something that it does not appear to be after all.
You'll excuse me if I choose the other alternative, and believe that God reveals Himself through His creation--and that you're simply wrong.
Or... you could be wrong.
We have no way of knowing if God is trying to trick us into believing that His creation is something that it does not appear to be--but if God is a liar, then you could very well be right, and His creation could be something that it does not appear to be after all.
You'll excuse me if I choose the other alternative, and believe that God reveals Himself through His creation--and that you're simply wrong.
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Have to admit, I have been watching the new version of TBN's telethon, and for 6 hours they featured Ken Ham, his museum, and a walk through with him and Bill Nye.
And then I watched Ken explain the purpose of what he was asking Bill while answering questions in how to address the atheist or the ones whose faith is alone in science.
Ken knows and understands, that it is impossible for Bill and science to make any definitive answer towards matter. Since matter represents some very telling unknowns that science wished they had answers for and are far from it. Bill knows you cannot prove nor disprove God based upon worldly knowledge.
But ultimately, Ken nor Bill made any real dents in one another's argument.
What I did discover though, is many answers Ken suggested a Christian to use towards science, even I have enough knowledge to see Ken is stretching and pulling straws.
Bottom line, I would not use the majority of answers Ken provided to use. I know he is wrong, and I would be lying if I repeated his wrongs.
I like Ken, like his motives, like his intention, like his battle. But where we know we have science by the short hairs, there's no need to make things up concerning the rest of science. This is where I stop liking Ken's effort..
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee.
I believe that it is a bunch of baloney, and they want to believe it, and part of the deception at the end time.
Saying the universe is this old, and the earth is that old, and the dinosaurs existed that many years ago, and people existed that many years ago, and the stars are that far away, and the Hubble telescope can see that far, and such nonsense.
For the purpose of discrediting the Bible, and the truth, and favoring their agenda that they have planned out for the future to establish a kingdom that fits their reality based on their lust for power, and self exaltation, which their mind blinded them to believe in falsehood according to their flesh, which Paul said there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh, and the flesh is contrary to the Spirit of God.
The world is based on self exaltation, which selfishness, and arrogance stem from that, which they get worse as time goes on in their self exaltation for that is the direction they are going like a person in Christ grows in Christ.
Which Paul said evil men shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived themselves, and Jesus said since iniquity shall abound the love of many will wax cold, and at the end time many hypocrites claiming Christ.
Which one day the transgressors will come to the full when they follow a man claiming to be God by harnessing the power of nature, and obtaining power, evolving, and will share this power with all who follow him.
And when they take the mark of the beast, which has to do with technology to cut down on crime, a GPS by satellite for people, saying it is all about people with no higher authority above them, and the mark of the beast their technology, then it seals them to where repentance, and salvation, are no longer available to the world, and God will end this sin business on earth.
For God has to end this sin business on earth one day so He is going to cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom in Revelation 13 so He can put them down.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
The new age movement, and their false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, nature worship, witchcraft, and evolution, and people can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment, evolution, and love, but not the final teacher, but the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, and does not acknowledge the God of his fathers, and does not regard any god, but in his estate he shall honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as his higher power.
One day it will be international law that a man and a woman cannot marry for population reduction, and to be a vegetarian as they reference nature.
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
The nations governments will come together and try to establish peace on earth in the future, and the new age movement will be a unified religious system with all religions interpreted by them, evolution, and anything taught contrary will not be tolerated.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and will pave the way to the beast kingdom, and the time that the world will not want to hear the truth of the Bible, but want to hear it according to their interpretation that it is about evolution, and they can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual, for that is their prosperity, and salvation, and peace for the world.
The new age movement is the beginning of the end for the wicked, and the Bible says none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand and not follow the world as they progress towards the beast kingdom based on evolution, the God of forces.
When the nations come together it will be international law that a man and a woman cannot marry for population reduction.
So they have feminism, and women's liberation, and portraying men in the media as dogs, not caring for the feelings of women, and women as controlling, and only caring about money, to drive a wedge between men and women.
And making them think they are born homosexual, and choose any sex you want to be, and transgender, and gender neutral.
And promoting being a vegetarian for it will be international law that they cannot eat animal meat.
And want to teach evolution, and in America took prayer out of school, and taught them evolution, for their future world is evolution.
For the powers that be want to establish the new age movement in the world as standard religion, according to the lust of their flesh, and produce the New Age Christ, so they can evolve to be greater, and spiritual, and want to push evolution big time, and on a big scale of evolution, so they can convince the people without a doubt that evolution is true, and the Bible account of creativity is not, and the earth not a young earth.
So they will say the universe is this old, and the earth is that old, and the dinosaurs existed that many years ago, and people existed that many years ago, and the stars are that far away, and the Hubble telescope can see that far, and such nonsense, to such a high degree of years, and distance, so that they can convince people that evolution is true, because of the time it took to happen, and even if off a little it still goes against the account of the Bible.
Because they believe in evolution, and people can still evolve, and will let nothing stand in their way of evolving in the future to be greater, and spiritual, and will lie, and falsify, and make things up, and anything dishonest, and exaggerate, to convince the people that evolution is true.
For the devil will do those things to deceive people, and since God is allowing the world to have their way in the end time, and have their way more for the last 7 years of the nations ruling, then the devil will be able to deceive more, and affect the wicked more to put out lies, and falsehood, as he tries to bring the world together by a false peace plan, which the New Age Christ, man of sin by peace shall destroy many.
For the devil is on a leash right now, but when he claims to be God then he is off his leash, and will deceive the world that does not love God to follow him, and the wicked shall be given strong delusion to follow him, and then God can end this sin business on earth.
So all that so called science, and what they say, is a bunch of baloney to me, and the deception of the end time for evolution is the reason the world rebels against God, and technology caused them to come together for they know about each other, and can communicate.
Which is why the book of Daniel was sealed until the end time, for they could not understand it until the end time, for many shall run to and fro, advanced travel, and knowledge shall be increased, advanced technology, which then the saints can see, hear, and know what is going on in the earth, and how it is possible for the world to come together, for they know of each other, can travel to each other, can communicate with each other.
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee.
The people in the truth hear you Paul, we hear you, but none of the wicked shall understand but will follow the world as they go to the beast kingdom based on evolution.
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee.
I believe that it is a bunch of baloney, and they want to believe it, and part of the deception at the end time.
Saying the universe is this old, and the earth is that old, and the dinosaurs existed that many years ago, and people existed that many years ago, and the stars are that far away, and the Hubble telescope can see that far, and such nonsense.
For the purpose of discrediting the Bible, and the truth, and favoring their agenda that they have planned out for the future to establish a kingdom that fits their reality based on their lust for power, and self exaltation, which their mind blinded them to believe in falsehood according to their flesh, which Paul said there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh, and the flesh is contrary to the Spirit of God.
The world is based on self exaltation, which selfishness, and arrogance stem from that, which they get worse as time goes on in their self exaltation for that is the direction they are going like a person in Christ grows in Christ.
Which Paul said evil men shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived themselves, and Jesus said since iniquity shall abound the love of many will wax cold, and at the end time many hypocrites claiming Christ.
Which one day the transgressors will come to the full when they follow a man claiming to be God by harnessing the power of nature, and obtaining power, evolving, and will share this power with all who follow him.
And when they take the mark of the beast, which has to do with technology to cut down on crime, a GPS by satellite for people, saying it is all about people with no higher authority above them, and the mark of the beast their technology, then it seals them to where repentance, and salvation, are no longer available to the world, and God will end this sin business on earth.
For God has to end this sin business on earth one day so He is going to cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom in Revelation 13 so He can put them down.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
The new age movement, and their false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, nature worship, witchcraft, and evolution, and people can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment, evolution, and love, but not the final teacher, but the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, and does not acknowledge the God of his fathers, and does not regard any god, but in his estate he shall honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as his higher power.
One day it will be international law that a man and a woman cannot marry for population reduction, and to be a vegetarian as they reference nature.
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
The nations governments will come together and try to establish peace on earth in the future, and the new age movement will be a unified religious system with all religions interpreted by them, evolution, and anything taught contrary will not be tolerated.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and will pave the way to the beast kingdom, and the time that the world will not want to hear the truth of the Bible, but want to hear it according to their interpretation that it is about evolution, and they can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual, for that is their prosperity, and salvation, and peace for the world.
The new age movement is the beginning of the end for the wicked, and the Bible says none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand and not follow the world as they progress towards the beast kingdom based on evolution, the God of forces.
When the nations come together it will be international law that a man and a woman cannot marry for population reduction.
So they have feminism, and women's liberation, and portraying men in the media as dogs, not caring for the feelings of women, and women as controlling, and only caring about money, to drive a wedge between men and women.
And making them think they are born homosexual, and choose any sex you want to be, and transgender, and gender neutral.
And promoting being a vegetarian for it will be international law that they cannot eat animal meat.
And want to teach evolution, and in America took prayer out of school, and taught them evolution, for their future world is evolution.
For the powers that be want to establish the new age movement in the world as standard religion, according to the lust of their flesh, and produce the New Age Christ, so they can evolve to be greater, and spiritual, and want to push evolution big time, and on a big scale of evolution, so they can convince the people without a doubt that evolution is true, and the Bible account of creativity is not, and the earth not a young earth.
So they will say the universe is this old, and the earth is that old, and the dinosaurs existed that many years ago, and people existed that many years ago, and the stars are that far away, and the Hubble telescope can see that far, and such nonsense, to such a high degree of years, and distance, so that they can convince people that evolution is true, because of the time it took to happen, and even if off a little it still goes against the account of the Bible.
Because they believe in evolution, and people can still evolve, and will let nothing stand in their way of evolving in the future to be greater, and spiritual, and will lie, and falsify, and make things up, and anything dishonest, and exaggerate, to convince the people that evolution is true.
For the devil will do those things to deceive people, and since God is allowing the world to have their way in the end time, and have their way more for the last 7 years of the nations ruling, then the devil will be able to deceive more, and affect the wicked more to put out lies, and falsehood, as he tries to bring the world together by a false peace plan, which the New Age Christ, man of sin by peace shall destroy many.
For the devil is on a leash right now, but when he claims to be God then he is off his leash, and will deceive the world that does not love God to follow him, and the wicked shall be given strong delusion to follow him, and then God can end this sin business on earth.
So all that so called science, and what they say, is a bunch of baloney to me, and the deception of the end time for evolution is the reason the world rebels against God, and technology caused them to come together for they know about each other, and can communicate.
Which is why the book of Daniel was sealed until the end time, for they could not understand it until the end time, for many shall run to and fro, advanced travel, and knowledge shall be increased, advanced technology, which then the saints can see, hear, and know what is going on in the earth, and how it is possible for the world to come together, for they know of each other, can travel to each other, can communicate with each other.
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee.
The people in the truth hear you Paul, we hear you, but none of the wicked shall understand but will follow the world as they go to the beast kingdom based on evolution.
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I'm sorry that you feel that way--but here's the thing: It's not up to you. It's not up to me, either. It was up to God, when He created the universe...
"Even as [in His love] He chose us [actually picked us out for Himself as His own] in Christ before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy (consecrated and set apart for Him) and blameless in His sight, even above reproach, before Him in love. For He foreordained us (destined us, planned in love for us) to be adopted (revealed) as His own children through Jesus Christ, in accordance with the purpose of His will [because it pleased Him and was His kind intent]" --Ephesians 1:4-5 (Amplified Bible)
Adopted children don't get to pick who their siblings will be; the Father gets to make that choice.
We don't know who is saved and who is not, but if Ken Ham is saved, I don't disrespect him for being saved--I disrespect him for making Christians look like idiots.
Is St. Augustine your brother? I've quoted him before in this thread, but you might think that he also disrespected saved men like Ken Ham in his 400 A.D. treatise, "The Literal Meaning of Genesis":
“Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience.
"Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men.
If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion."
Bill Nye may be an atheist (although we don't know for sure, and if he is, we don't know if he will always be one), but I'm pretty sure that he's not the antichrist. What we do know is that he is awfully knowledgeable about science, and in that respect, I take the comparison as a compliment.
If the God I believe in is real (and Ephesians 1:4-5 is not a lie), then that is something I will never need to question--as He made that determination long before I ever existed in this flesh.
"Even as [in His love] He chose us [actually picked us out for Himself as His own] in Christ before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy (consecrated and set apart for Him) and blameless in His sight, even above reproach, before Him in love. For He foreordained us (destined us, planned in love for us) to be adopted (revealed) as His own children through Jesus Christ, in accordance with the purpose of His will [because it pleased Him and was His kind intent]" --Ephesians 1:4-5 (Amplified Bible)
Adopted children don't get to pick who their siblings will be; the Father gets to make that choice.
We don't know who is saved and who is not, but if Ken Ham is saved, I don't disrespect him for being saved--I disrespect him for making Christians look like idiots.
Is St. Augustine your brother? I've quoted him before in this thread, but you might think that he also disrespected saved men like Ken Ham in his 400 A.D. treatise, "The Literal Meaning of Genesis":
“Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience.
"Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men.
If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion."
Bill Nye may be an atheist (although we don't know for sure, and if he is, we don't know if he will always be one), but I'm pretty sure that he's not the antichrist. What we do know is that he is awfully knowledgeable about science, and in that respect, I take the comparison as a compliment.
If the God I believe in is real (and Ephesians 1:4-5 is not a lie), then that is something I will never need to question--as He made that determination long before I ever existed in this flesh.
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I love the info!!
But, what actually wrecks science is the principles by which today's science stands on. First of all, due to the KOBE Telescope experience, science now understands the Laws of Physics and Singularity did not cause the BANG, but are results of the BANG...well...the Laws of Physics at least, Singularity is still up for debate.
Singularity:
The very essence to Science in its explanation of life. It's the reason for Randomness and Evolution. Only ONE PROBLEM!! In over 150 years of observation using the microscope, Single Cell HAS NEVER, on its own natural process, split or divided to become a new species. Single Cell is how plants became fish, fish became, crawling animals, crawling animals into reptiles, amphibians, and primates, eventually leading us to humanity. And still, in 150+ years observing Singe Cell, in over a BILLION species of Single Cell observed, not a single one EVOLVED into a new species.
So, if we wish to tick off Science, it's not about God being Real, it's about their failure to produce evidence that the theory of Singularity actually is true with conclusive evidence to back it up.
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