Creation, The Flood, And Millions Of Years
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If I answered that it would just be my own opinion based on interpretation of the Holy Scripture, all I am saying is that it is possible according to religious scholars and academics. To be honest I think it is an unimportant part of the Bible's actual message, what do I really know? who am I? who is anyone to say what is what?, because they all have Holy Spirit?
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No, death and disease for all Creation. Seasons were there from the beginning, but more extreme following the Flood. Invertebrates and plants weren't considered nephesh chayyah (living creatures) by the ancient Hebrews. Therefore death didn't apply to them. That there is the cultural and linguistic context.
LOL you've all got an obsession about millions and billions of years. Do you dream about it in your sleep? Perhaps you should see a psychiatrist? You have never heard me mention millions and billions of years, except when talking about what some others say. But then I view the matter calmly. It doesn't upset me. I realise how unimportant it is. I don't have to believe Tin Tin's word. I believe GOD's word, the God to whom a billion years is simply a moment of time.
By the way I question the meaning of yom all through the Bible.
By the way I question the meaning of yom all through the Bible.
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Romans chapter 5 verses 12 thru 14
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Actually we don't know originally. Did they mean the period of light in which it was observed? It began at dawn and finished at sunset. Or did it mean something else? Jesus said that there were 12 hours in the equivalent of the yom. The meaning of yom is flexible
So your question is irrelevant. How long was the yom in the yom of the Lord? how long was the initial yom in Gen 1.3?. How long was the yom in Gen 2.4?. One swallow doesn't make a summer.
So your question is irrelevant. How long was the yom in the yom of the Lord? how long was the initial yom in Gen 1.3?. How long was the yom in Gen 2.4?. One swallow doesn't make a summer.
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Not so. This same Paul said a little later on in this same epistle:
Romans chapter 8 verses 18 thru 22
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
According to Paul, all of creation became subject to vanity, not willing, but by reason of him, ADAM, who subjected the same when he sinned.
There goes your argument right down the drain.
Romans chapter 8 verses 18 thru 22
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
According to Paul, all of creation became subject to vanity, not willing, but by reason of him, ADAM, who subjected the same when he sinned.
There goes your argument right down the drain.
Yes the creature was made subject to 'vanity'. But we are not told at what point. There is no mention of it being due to the Fall. The One Who has subjected the same in hope is God, not Adam. There are no grounds at all apart from speculation for assuming that living creatures would not die.
Adam would only continue to live because he ate of the tree of life. That suggests that without it he too would die. The living creatures did not have the right to eat of the tree of life.
Now whose argument goes down the drain?
Adam would only continue to live because he ate of the tree of life. That suggests that without it he too would die. The living creatures did not have the right to eat of the tree of life.
Now whose argument goes down the drain?
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Look at the text again:
Romans chapter 8 verses 18 thru 22
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
The creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption.
When did the creature become subject to the bondage of corruption and why is the creature's liberty from the same directly linked to the time when the sons of God receive their glorified bodies?
Did the creature become subject to bondage prior to the time when man became subject to the same?
If so, then when was this?
Everything was very good initially, right?
When did the bondage of corruption enter the picture?
Did God just arbitrarily subject the creature/creation to the bondage of corruption for no reason after He had seen everything that He had made and called it very good?
What was the cause of the creature/creation being made subject to the bondage of corruption and if said bondage of corruption has nothing to do with Adam's sin and the fall of man, then why do both get liberated at the same time?
Romans chapter 8 verses 18 thru 22
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
The creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption.
When did the creature become subject to the bondage of corruption and why is the creature's liberty from the same directly linked to the time when the sons of God receive their glorified bodies?
Did the creature become subject to bondage prior to the time when man became subject to the same?
If so, then when was this?
Everything was very good initially, right?
When did the bondage of corruption enter the picture?
Did God just arbitrarily subject the creature/creation to the bondage of corruption for no reason after He had seen everything that He had made and called it very good?
What was the cause of the creature/creation being made subject to the bondage of corruption and if said bondage of corruption has nothing to do with Adam's sin and the fall of man, then why do both get liberated at the same time?
the creature became subject to the bondage of corruption when it was created. Adam would escape that bondage by eating of the tree of life (otherwise why the need for the tree of life?)
what you overlook is that the Fall was not unanticipated. It was all part of God's plan. Through the Fall man also became subject to corruption. The emphasis in Romans 8 is that all corruption will cease. Do you really believe that all living creatures will be resurrected?
what you overlook is that the Fall was not unanticipated. It was all part of God's plan. Through the Fall man also became subject to corruption. The emphasis in Romans 8 is that all corruption will cease. Do you really believe that all living creatures will be resurrected?