Critique On Why Catholics Are Hated

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"Kemorean, posted

Amen. The Bible nowhere explicitly says that infants can be baptized. And the Bible also nowhere explicitly says that only adults can be baptized. The Bible does mention that., "..he was baptized at once with all his family." (Acts 16:33) Sounds like the biblical weight weight comes down on the side of infant baptism.

That is my thinking too.

 

[dcontroversal]

There are thousands of denominations in the world. I am not for any one of them. Every single one
is living life in the flesh. None are living in the Spirit, if they were living in the Spirit, they would knowt
the bible is not God, the bible is the arrows that point to God. It leads us to the unequivocal inner love
of God. If anyone does not experience the glowing inner love of God, the will continue arguing words.
Since every word in the English language us can be debatable it cannot lead to God. The road that leads
to God is the one that Paul describes

Galatians 1:11
I want you to know brothers and sisters, that the gospel is not of human origin. I did not receive it from
any man, taught it, rather I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. (End Quote).

It is only when we can translate words into Spirit that we will be one with God and God within us.
I am not judging anyone, churches were built to confuse and not for us to grow. Right now it has
a long, long time to go. That is why I don't judge anyone, their own words betray them.

I trust all to Jesus, not a preacher or teacher or Bishop or Pope. All of those have an agenda . that means
following anyone of those has a multitude of attachments to the words of Christ. So as Paul states, listen
to the revelation of Christ.


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Yawn.....you just denied the perpetuity of the LORD'S churches that he promised would prevail aginst the gates of hell, lumped all under one banner erroneously and pretty much assumed that you can read all hearts and minds of every human on this planet.

Even when the whole of Israel was in sin and the prophet begged God to kill him and get it over with since he was the "last one"......God said....Shut up, get up, dust off and be about my business because I have yet reserved unto me 7000 that have not bowed the knee to Baal!

There is and always will be a faithful remnant on this planet and there will always be at least ONE N.T. church in right standing with God.

Now...as far as Catholics....no one hates Catholics.....most despise their false doctrine!

 

[Kemorean]

Christians do not build their faith on mankind seen .That's a Catholic tradition as a law of their fathers . . . commandments of men,

The idea that we walk after a "law of the fathers" or "apostolic succession" is a oral tradition . . .lies of mankind .

Because no man can serve two Devine teaching infallible masters. Laws of men calls fathers plural and the law of our one unseen father in heaven. . . who works in the hearts of His children of faith . the two different laws become adversaries that work to wrestles against flesh and blood .the pagan foundation. Spirits and principalities high place like against the Pope for those with faith .Power to wrestle the unseen inward ward battle.


Christians the name the father named his bride the church they are under the name of the first sect on this side of the 1st century century reformation the Nazarene sect or the Way .They were persecuted by two other denominations that put their differences aside. The Pharisees together with, Sadaucesss, both faithless under the faithless tradition of . . out of sight out of mind.(law of the fathers)

Today the Roman Catholic sects put aside their differences to resist being born again and team up with the Greek orthodoxia sect. .Glorying the flesh of those who have died called . Pope elected patron saints (3,500 and rising). or what the scriptures calls "workers with familiar spirits" . They are in need of a idol image (teraphim) a legion comes up, a face must be attached in order to venerate/ worship the unseen delusion.

They the fathers lord it over the pew sitters who call the priesthood of men "fathers" (Legion) no woman allowed as venerable ones . They preserve that for their make believe queen by following corruptible men as succession of men from one generation to another.

Saul before his born again conversion from above as Paul had all the right credentials, had what he thought was a zeal for god and received letter of approval form the High Priest or what you call Pope .

The government of Kill them all, out of sight out of mind .Who needs to believe in a God not seen . With their new information making Paul #1 wanted wanted list to bring him in dead.

They tried to prove all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) was the heresy as mere opinions of men and the law of their corrupted fathers the Devine order on earth

The fifteenth century reformation . .a carbon copy of the first century . Just different names for different fathers, (the same legion)

Acts 22:1-4 King James Version (KJV) Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you.
(And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)
I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day. And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.

Acts 24: 13-14 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:.. . . . (sola scriptura)

Rather that worship the God of the fathers .they worshipped the father as gods in the likeness of men They knew not the God wrote the Bible with the flick of his will or hand .

The APOSTLE Paul said.."Hold fast to the TRADITIONS that you have received from us either by letter OR by word of ours." (2 Thess.2:15) So it is APOSTOLIC Tradition that Catholics hold fast to. Not the traditions of men like Luther.. Calvin.. Wesley.. Smith.. Darby..

 

[Kemorean]

Yawn.....you just denied the perpetuity of the LORD'S churches that he promised would prevail aginst the gates of hell, lumped all under one banner erroneously and pretty much assumed that you can read all hearts and minds of every human on this planet.

Even when the whole of Israel was in sin and the prophet begged God to kill him and get it over with since he was the "last one"......God said....Shut up, get up, dust off and be about my business because I have yet reserved unto me 7000 that have not bowed the knee to Baal!

There is and always will be a faithful remnant on this planet and there will always be at least ONE N.T. church in right standing with God.

Now...as far as Catholics....no one hates Catholics.....most despise their false doctrine!

I agree with and enjoyed most of your post except for.. the part where you assume that the oldest Church, which Jesus promised the gates of Hell would not prevail against, has "false doctrine." It has been my experience that those who assume that have only been instructed in Catholicism by..non Catholics or even anti Catholics! How fair is that? Come. Let us reason together. Exactly which doctrines of the oldest Church do you think are false?

 

[EleventhHour]

The APOSTLE Paul said.."Hold fast to the TRADITIONS that you have received from us either by letter OR by word of ours." (2 Thess.2:15) So it is APOSTOLIC Tradition that Catholics hold fast to. Not the traditions of men like Luther.. Calvin.. Wesley.. Smith.. Darby..

The Roman Catholic church teaches that church "tradition" (the interpretation of scripture by men) has equal authority to scripture, and it likes to use this verse as a basis for it, however...
...the tradition that Paul is referring to is the teachings that were delivers to the Thessalonians at the time.

It is not a reference to any future created traditions/interpretations, there are no successors to the apostles as gatekeepers of truth.

 

[garee]

The APOSTLE Paul said.."Hold fast to the TRADITIONS that you have received from us either by letter OR by word of ours." (2 Thess.2:15) So it is APOSTOLIC Tradition that Catholics hold fast to. Not the traditions of men like Luther.. Calvin.. Wesley.. Smith.. Darby..

The Bible is the one and only sacred tradition of God, "all things written in the law and prophets". In its entirety it declares the law of God (sola scriptura) .And not the oral traditions of men. The Bible alone is the Devine reforming, restoring authroity in any generation of mankind. Not the Sacred tradition of God not seen mixed with the oral traditions of sinful ma , seen.

Christian walk by faith the unseen power of God that work in them that are born again And not after a legion of fathers as patron saints (3,000.

Christians do not venerate men who Lord it over the flock . The idea of apostolic tradition is a tradition of men that usurps the tradition of God . . .all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura .

No man can serve two Devine teaching masters and call it one. The written traditions of the fathers, corrupted mankind makes the epistles spoken of in the verse you offered to no effect. It does not support your idea Just add or subtract any way a person dreams up.

No man can serve two teaching masters as Devine.(1) the word of God sola scriptura) and (2)the oral traditions of some fathers that Lord it over the pew sitters

2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle

Hold the traditions of the written epistle not to the oral traditions of men that must be called Devine or the foundation drops.

The cathodic law book of men places their own what they call Sacred Tradition first in order show the Divine desperation for fallen mankind, making false claims .In order to establish their own teaching master "necromancy " seeking after patron saints as legion (3500 and rising). Picking up speed.

The law of the catholic fathers One common source. . .

80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal."40 Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".

Same thing as in the garden with that oral tradition . . .Did God really say you shall surely die ? There is always purgatory.
One source of Christian faith as it is written in the epistles of God not of men. the things of men offend the things of God .
Our brother in the Lord Peter the denier found out the hard way.

 

[garee]

I agree with and enjoyed most of your post except for.. the part where you assume that the oldest Church, which Jesus promised the gates of Hell would not prevail against, has "false doctrine." It has been my experience that those who assume that have only been instructed in Catholicism by..non Catholics or even anti Catholics! How fair is that? Come. Let us reason together. Exactly which doctrines of the oldest Church do you think are false?

You would have to study the whole chapter Mathew 16. That is if you were not forced to seek the approval of Devine men called fathers as oral traditions . Born again Christians seek the approval of God who commands us to study .2 Tim 2:15

Scripture proves that kind of counterfeit logic you offered coming from the father of lies . God will not share his glorious teaching ministry with men putting them in charge of the "gates of hell" .(Blasphemy)

The occasion simply provided a opportunity for the spirit of error to deceive mankind

What Catholics attribute to our brother in the lord, Peter is what Peter thought when he fell from false pride in his heart The idea that he was the key . It proved the other way around that he is a liar. .Deceived by the spirit of the anti christ Satan , it revealed the true key "the gospel of Christ" .Not the traditions of the fathers. The Lord gave words to the Son of man Jesus to rebuke Satan. Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man

The gates of hell did prevail against the liar.

Mathew 16 :21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

 

[Kemorean]

The Roman Catholic church teaches that church "tradition" (the interpretation of scripture by men) has equal authority to scripture, and it likes to use this verse as a basis for it, however...
...the tradition that Paul is referring to is the teachings that were delivers to the Thessalonians at the time.

It is not a reference to any future created traditions/interpretations, there are no successors to the apostles as gatekeepers of truth.

Sure there were and are Apostolic successors to the Apostles. The Bible says that Judas died. The Apostles got together to decide what to do about that. Their Christ appointed leader, Peter, rose and said, "His office let another take." So the Apostles.."put forward two, Bar-Sa'bas and Mat-thias . And they prayed..and they cast lots..and the lot fell on Mat-thias and he was numbered with the eleven Apostles." (Acts 1:15-26) Mat-thias clearly succeeded the Apostle Judas

 

[dcontroversal]

I agree with and enjoyed most of your post except for.. the part where you assume that the oldest Church, which Jesus promised the gates of Hell would not prevail against, has "false doctrine." It has been my experience that those who assume that have only been instructed in Catholicism by..non Catholics or even anti Catholics! How fair is that? Come. Let us reason together. Exactly which doctrines of the oldest Church do you think are false?

The Catholic Church, if that is what you are referencing, is not the oldest church, and by doctrine is no more than a religion claiming to be a church.

All of the following are false...

a. Worship of Pope/Mary/Saints/Bone fragments, hair, supposed blood of Apostles, statues etc.

b. Pope as the spokesman for God and the Vicar of God on the earth.

c. Intercessory ability of Mary

d. Church/Sacramental salvation

e. The elements of the Lord's supper actually turning into the blood and flesh of Christ

f. Images of Christ, saints, apostles

etc......

Even the name Catholic Church is a contradiction....

The very nature of the Ekklesia is a LOCAL, VISIBLE BODY Assembled together.....NOT some Universal Mother church spread out....

Just saying.....!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Problem! How is the Catholic religion false when it is the ONLY Church that can trace itself back, Bishop by Bishop, for 2,000 years, to Jesus Christ as it's personal founder? History shows that No Protestant Church would even exist for the next 15..CENTURIES! Maybe thousands of differing Protestant Churches who can not all agree on ONE Christian doctrine..is the false religion.

It can’t trace itself back, that’s what you have been taught but it’s not true

the Roman Catholic Church does not even hold to the original churches doctrines, Their doctrines did not take old until about the 3rd century when Constantine mixed pagan and Christian beliefs and used the power of the Roman army to enforce those beliefs on all people.

one does not need to learn what catholics believe from non Catholics, all they need to do is study the word, then listen to catholic teachings to KNOW there is something majorly wrong in what they believe

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am not trying to be mean. But maybe you should see the RCC, the original Church built by Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago (Matt.16:17-19) as the Bible sees it. Jesus is the Head and we are the body of the Church. (Col.1:18) It is not either/or..either Jesus or His Church! Jesus loved and died for the Church that He said He built.. "Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church, laying down His life for her.." (Eph.5:25)

We can’t, because the modern Catholic Church looks nothing like the church Jesus started and the spread throughout the known world by the apostles,

if it did, we would see it

you see, the jews used the same arguments you use. They could trace their heritage back to abrahamic and moses and the priesthood, yet you see, men destroyed the Jewish faith given by god to the fathers, and the Jewish faith in Jesus day looked nothing like what God instituted,

yet people used the same arguments you use to reject Christ,

open your heart and your mind, read acts and see how the NT church etc and you will see most if not all churches do not resemble the first church no matter what denomination you are,

that should be your first clue something is wrong

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus is God. So since JESUS built the first edition, the first Church, 2,000 years ago as Matt.16:17-9 says He did then..the FIRST edition is the best edition! The later editions were built by men like Luther.. Calvin.. Wesley.. Smith.. Darby... So these are.. the traditions of men.

The church you belong to is not the first edition,

please wake up my friend, you have been misled

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree with and enjoyed most of your post except for.. the part where you assume that the oldest Church, which Jesus promised the gates of Hell would not prevail against, has "false doctrine." It has been my experience that those who assume that have only been instructed in Catholicism by..non Catholics or even anti Catholics! How fair is that? Come. Let us reason together. Exactly which doctrines of the oldest Church do you think are false?

The gates of hell is a defensive weapon not an offensive weapon

it is used to show that those sent out by God to spread the gospel to the world would go, and the gates of hell will not stop them

another doctrine which is destroyed by the Roman church

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Problem! How is the Catholic religion false when it is the ONLY Church that can trace itself back, Bishop by Bishop, for 2,000 years, to Jesus Christ as it's personal founder? History shows that No Protestant Church would even exist for the next 15..CENTURIES! Maybe thousands of differing Protestant Churches who can not all agree on ONE Christian doctrine..is the false religion.

Except all the idolatry, and the heresy of papal primacy, and then the murder of those who tried to reform them from error, and then kicking out the other true believers who tried to prevent complete appostacy, because they forgot the church is those who are in Christ not those who set on the presbytery or even the basilisk.

 

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"Adstar, posted

The catholic doctrine of pergatory shows that it is in denial of the sufficency of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ to pay for the sins of men..

See i only have to highlight one doctrine of the catholic religion to show it is not Christian..

Christians believe that Jesus paid the price for the sins of mankind when he provided atonement for their sins when he gave his life on the cross..

But in the catholic religion when Catholics die they must go to a place called purgatory to have their sins purged, thus their religion denies that the blood of Jesus covers all their sins.. They even encourage friends and relatives and layety to say prayers for the dead in purgatory teaching them that their prayers shorten the time the dead person will have to spend in purgatory..

So it is clear to anyone who has read the Bible that the catholic religion is anti-christ and teaches against the true Gospel of the LORD.. I saw it as clear as day when i read the Bible for the first time when i was in my early 20's and left that blasphemous religion..

I hope others seek the Word of the LORD and hold it above all the doctrines that men have come up with or they have been inspired by evil spirits to come up with.. Claiming to be from the LORD but actually coming from the serpent of old.



I am not joining issues with you either for or against, but you may need to consider that there are sins even our Lord Jesus says are unforgivable---- the sin against the Holy Spirit which some people term mortal sin.

Jesus only declared that One sin was unforgivable.. Only 1.. Blapshemy of the Holy Spirit.. If you think there are Sins as in more then one sin that the Atonement of Jesus does not secure forgiveness for then you do not believe Jesus. You are Not holding His Word above all else..

(Mark 3:28-30) "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: {29} But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: {30} Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit."

 

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"Kemorean, posted

Amen. The Bible nowhere explicitly says that infants can be baptized. And the Bible also nowhere explicitly says that only adults can be baptized. The Bible does mention that., "..he was baptized at once with all his family." (Acts 16:33) Sounds like the biblical weight weight comes down on the side of infant baptism.

That is my thinking too.

If you want to ensure that the person you are responding to knows you have responded you need to click on the REPLY that is in the box they post in.. That way they will recieve a message telling them that you have replied to their post..

 

[Duskey]

Jesus is God. So since JESUS built the first edition, the first Church, 2,000 years ago as Matt.16:17-9 says He did then..the FIRST edition is the best edition! The later editions were built by men like Luther.. Calvin.. Wesley.. Smith.. Darby... So these are.. the traditions of men.

Your analysis is incorrect. The Reformation took place by the hand of God after many years of man’s trials and tribulations, along with heartfelt prayer and commitment to serving the Lord the way God intended.

The RCC was so far removed from the Church as seen in the Book of Acts that a drastic overhaul needed to take place in order to restore godliness. Thank God for His Divine Providence.

 

[Renewal]

There are thousands of denominations in the world. I am not for any one of them. Every single one
is living life in the flesh. None are living in the Spirit, if they were living in the Spirit, they would knowt
the bible is not God, the bible is the arrows that point to God. It leads us to the unequivocal inner love
of God. If anyone does not experience the glowing inner love of God, the will continue arguing words.
Since every word in the English language us can be debatable it cannot lead to God. The road that leads
to God is the one that Paul describes

Galatians 1:11
I want you to know brothers and sisters, that the gospel is not of human origin. I did not receive it from
any man, taught it, rather I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. (End Quote).

It is only when we can translate words into Spirit that we will be one with God and God within us.
I am not judging anyone, churches were built to confuse and not for us to grow. Right now it has
a long, long time to go. That is why I don't judge anyone, their own words betray them.

I trust all to Jesus, not a preacher or teacher or Bishop or Pope. All of those have an agenda . that means
following anyone of those has a multitude of attachments to the words of Christ. So as Paul states, listen
to the revelation of Christ.


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There is only one Church and it is not made with the hands of man. The church is the assembly of the called, chosen and faithful Body Of Christ.

 

[Kemorean]

The Catholic Church, if that is what you are referencing, is not the oldest church, and by doctrine is no more than a religion claiming to be a church.

All of the following are false...

a. Worship of Pope/Mary/Saints/Bone fragments, hair, supposed blood of Apostles, statues etc.

b. Pope as the spokesman for God and the Vicar of God on the earth.

c. Intercessory ability of Mary

d. Church/Sacramental salvation

e. The elements of the Lord's supper actually turning into the blood and flesh of Christ

f. Images of Christ, saints, apostles

etc......

Even the name Catholic Church is a contradiction....

The very nature of the Ekklesia is a LOCAL, VISIBLE BODY Assembled together.....NOT some Universal Mother church spread out....

Just saying.....!!

I don't have to go any further than your first accusation against the first Christian Church to prove that your knowledge of Catholicism comes only from non Catholics..and not the Catholic Church! Catholics DO NOT worship Mary. If we do I challenge to show us any official doctrine of the Catholic Church that says Catholics are to worship Mary. I will leave the Catholic Church and become a Protestant tomorrow if you can show to us so much as ONE. We are waiting...

 

[EleventhHour]

Sure there were and are Apostolic successors to the Apostles. The Bible says that Judas died. The Apostles got together to decide what to do about that. Their Christ appointed leader, Peter, rose and said, "His office let another take." So the Apostles.."put forward two, Bar-Sa'bas and Mat-thias . And they prayed..and they cast lots..and the lot fell on Mat-thias and he was numbered with the eleven Apostles." (Acts 1:15-26) Mat-thias clearly succeeded the Apostle Judas

That is one situation.

There is no apostolic succession as taught by the Roman Catholic church.

The Magisterium is not divinely appointed neither is it the gatekeeper of truth.