One in a Sense, not actual God.
Jesus Christ not only said that He and the Father are one, but He also said that if you saw Him than you saw the Father.
5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
For example, Mark 10:18, why do you call me good, no one is good except god alone.
Many times he denied blasphemy, and on top of that he said no one has seen god.
Many times he denied blasphemy, and on top of that he said no one has seen god.
He was a lot of time accused on blasphemy and on top of that he was crucified for blasphemy. Are you familiar with the New Testament? I know you said you are because your catholic father made you read it. But really, how come you ignore important parts of it?
Ok, so he says "if you have seen me you have seen god" right?
Now, if he really said that in the sense he was god, he would not have said earlier " No one has seen god"/QUOTE]
He said no one has seen God except Him (who is sent by God).
. We did not misunderstood the Scripture. Don't worry. It is rather the muslims and the jews who misunderstand us and have a lot of misconceptions about us. But that's ok. We are here to discuss and help and try to explain and clarify (in the measure of our possibilities) the hard points of the christian teachings and beliefs.
People who don't understand kenosis can not understand how can we christians confess that Jesus Christ is God and then they give us clear examples when Jesus prays to God, when Jesus says that the Father is greater than He is and so on.
Now, if he really said that in the sense he was god, he would not have said earlier " No one has seen god"/QUOTE]
He said no one has seen God except Him (who is sent by God).
So maybe we understood the scripture wrong. maybe by saying "if you have seen me you have seen god" it means that he represents god, because when people were telling him show us this god of yours, he said, If you believe in me and the works i do then you believe in god. Because God GAve jesus all these powers, jesus couldnt have done it on his own.
God doesnt gain powers later on in life, he has them from the beginning. and god doesnt need two tries to make a blind girl see.
Plus Jesus prayed to God, so its all these facts that i add up
God doesnt gain powers later on in life, he has them from the beginning. and god doesnt need two tries to make a blind girl see.
Plus Jesus prayed to God, so its all these facts that i add up
People who don't understand kenosis can not understand how can we christians confess that Jesus Christ is God and then they give us clear examples when Jesus prays to God, when Jesus says that the Father is greater than He is and so on.