Daniel 11:37, The Future Antichrist Will Be A Jew/Hebrew In Decent

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There is a reason Jesus chose all 7 Churches in close proximity. He didn't want to choose 7 different nations, then scold some more than others, God knowing all things, understood that Satan would use that to divide the Church. However, by praising some and scolding others in the SAME REGION, Satan was not able to divide the Church by whispering lies.

I personally can't swear to this being a fact, but it's pretty obvious to me why he chose all the churches from one small region. That way he let similar types of peoples have it in both praise and rebuke.

Russia, Iran, and Turkey are in the mix. Just like the Asteroid in Rev. 8 destroys 1/3 of the world (in essence) and makes this man's paths straight. I think Russia, Turkey, and Iran going forth is meant by God to make his path straight once again. With Russia, Iran, and Turkey's Armies all destroyed, the E.U. becomes dominant in the region all of the sudden.
I have to say, I had always thought these prophecies were all fulfilled long ago...but this one clearly has no fulfillment as yet.
It centres on Turkey, plus these nations: Persia, Cush and Put - Cush and Put i am not sure you can identify exactly but I think they point towards Libya and Sudan. In short, an Islamic Confederacy.
 
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The Scripture Is Self Explanatory, Why Do You Disregard The Truth Before Your Eyes?

The (Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel 11:37 Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.


Examples, (God Of His Fathers)

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.


2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
Again, go to Daniel 9, he is the final king of the final gentile kingdom, we also have Dan 7 who tells us who this king is

Daniel 7:24–25 (NKJV): The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,

And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

this taken with revelation proves he is a Roman king not jewish

sorry bud but your wrong here
 

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The Antichrist will be a Jew/Hebrew in the lineage of King David

The 7 hilled city is Jerusalem, who is the whore of Revelation, Mystery Babylon the great

The 10 horns represent kings of the 10 lost tribes of Israel, that will be recognized quickly and receive power with the Beast in one hour, they will give their power and consent to come against the whore Jerusalem for her liberal ungodliness
You are batting 100 percent so for today.

The Anti-Christ is a Gentile King just like the other 6 were.

Thee never was a 7 Hill City, its reverse engineering THE FALL of 7 Kings in order to let us know ALL SEVEN had a king at the helm as they fell (of course) and thus the last King that falls is the Anti-Christ, thus he is the ONLY ONE that both Arises AND Falls, this is why the last Beast is a MAN, not a Kingdom/Nation like the others. But that flies right over your head, you see it as ONE CITY.

And, is never, ever, EVER called Mystery Babylon, that comes from people just NOT THINKING CLEARLY. The Angel in Rev. 17:7 says "Come, I will show you the Mystery of the Woman and the Beast she rides" thus it was never a Mystery, that was the Angel in the previous verses describing THE MYSTERY, not A MYSTERY TO COME. Like this:

MYSTERY
1.) Babylon the Great
2.) Mother of Harlots
3.) Abominations of the Earth

He DESCRIBES THE MYSTERY, then says COME and I will REVEAL it unto you, and thus he does, and you and others are still guessing.

THE MYSTERY of the Harlot is made clear in the above DESCRIPTION of the Harlot, then the Angel reveals her plight unto us.

This is THE MYSTERY, Babylon the Great is noted for what? FALSE RELIGION. The Mother of all Harlotry is what? FALSE RELIGION. The one thing God hates more than all other things is what? Worshiping FALSE GODS, he a jealous God.

MYSTERY is a header, not a part of the clues !! Thus THAT GREAT CITY John is referred back unto in verse 18, via what he saw, is the False Religious Worship of Babylon the Great in the spiritual realm. Satan rules Babylon the Great because it simply is Satan's Dark Kingdom on this earth, he is the god of this whole world, thus he lies and confuses the masses into fighting their own God at Armageddon, and in Rev. 16:19, we see God calls those He defeats at Armageddon, Babylon the Great. So, who did He defeat? The 6th Vial says ALL THE KINGS of the WHOLE EARTH.

Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts(Earthquake/Jesus Returns), and the cities of the nations fell (Jesus defeats ALL THE Kings of the earth): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Who does God call Babylon the Great? The WHOLE WORLD. The masses that fight their own God are CONFUSED, Babel means confusion!! It's just that simple. God judges the WHOLE WORLD, not ONE CITY !! The bible would tell you that if you DUG IN DEEP.

LASTLY, there were never any LOST TRIBES of Israel, God has already had a Remnant of each tribe, He just made them ONE STICK, like the Prophecy said He would do.

ONE HOUR = 42 months.
 

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I have to say, I had always thought these prophecies were all fulfilled long ago...but this one clearly has no fulfillment as yet.
It centres on Turkey, plus these nations: Persia, Cush and Put - Cush and Put i am not sure you can identify exactly but I think they point towards Libya and Sudan. In short, an Islamic Confederacy.
Islam is going to b wiped out by the Anti-Christ and his 10 (Europe) Kings. But before that, these nations come against Israel and God wipes away their Armies. We know this can't be the Anti-Christ because the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem, these nations are defeated by God. Sudan is one of them. NOTICE, none of the Nations have a COMMON BORDER with Israel, this is why it states Israel has UNWALLED VILLAGES, it just means PEACE with all her neighbors. The Psalm 83 wars were the 60 plus years of strife between Israel and her many Muslim neighbors. Iran has managed to unite Israel and her immediate border neighbors.

It's all coming to pass just like the bible said it would, Amen.

Gotta run, God Bless.
 

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The Scripture Is Self Explanatory, Why Do You Disregard The Truth Before Your Eyes?

The (Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel 11:37 Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.


Examples, (God Of His Fathers)

2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.


2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
as previously discussed, this isn't proof the little horn is Jewish.
it's only corroborative.
so even tho i personally agree that he will be a Jew ((or possibly Edomite - there's an argument for that)), because i believe it will be Judas Iscariot returned, you're not doing yourself good by just putting these verses here like it's 'end of discussion' because it's not. find more proof.


as someone pointed out, consider who is the god of Abraham's fathers?
so the phrase 'god of his fathers' is not necessarily pointing to Hebrew descent according to the flesh.
all it means is that he will reject the beliefs of his culture.
 
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Islam is going to b wiped out by the Anti-Christ and his 10 (Europe) Kings. But before that, these nations come against Israel and God wipes away their Armies. We know this can't be the Anti-Christ because the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem, these nations are defeated by God. Sudan is one of them. NOTICE, none of the Nations have a COMMON BORDER with Israel, this is why it states Israel has UNWALLED VILLAGES, it just means PEACE with all her neighbors. The Psalm 83 wars were the 60 plus years of strife between Israel and her many Muslim neighbors. Iran has managed to unite Israel and her immediate border neighbors.

It's all coming to pass just like the bible said it would, Amen.

Gotta run, God Bless.
I don't know. I try to keep an open-mind, but I am the same as Gary DeMar - this battle describes something over 2000 years ago. I am surprised I really entertained the modern hypotheses...lol
 

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I have to say, I had always thought these prophecies were all fulfilled long ago...but this one clearly has no fulfillment as yet.
It centres on Turkey, plus these nations: Persia, Cush and Put - Cush and Put i am not sure you can identify exactly but I think they point towards Libya and Sudan. In short, an Islamic Confederacy.
The war seen in Ezekiel 39 is historical not future, the historical wooden weapons of warfare, shields, bucklers, bows, arrows, handstaves, spears, were burnt in the flames long ago :giggle:

Ezekiel 39:9KJV
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
 

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It's all in the way it is written or what the writer understands or doesn't understand. Notice Daniel never calls Jesus the Angel of the Lord like he does Micheal and Gabriel, he calls him the Man in Linen, letting us know he thought he was far different from the other messengers, however, Jesus was delivering a message, and thus, if YAHWEH or Jehova is used then Jesus, could be a messenger of God the Father, but he would never be an Angel of the Lord because he is the Lord.

But, David said the Lord said unto my LORD saying that there were two Lords, one was Jesus and one was the Father. But Jesus can never simply be an Angel (Messanger of God) he has to be a Messanger AND the Lord.

This is why it gets s confusing, Angel simply means Messenger, but Jesus is more than a mere messenger, he's also The Lord. Thus if a text says he's the Messanger of Yahweh, then he is that but he is also the Lord. Whereas Angels are only Messengers of God and underlings, Jesus is the Lord.
ok, yay!
i think we're understanding each other now & on the same page! :)

going to just kind of lay it all out here, to be sure -- i've been saying:
  • Mmse. Orphaned is not a JW - they say Michael isn't the same person as the Son of God, but an ordinary angel, who died on the cross. she says Michael is another name for the Son of God because the Son is the chief messenger
  • in many places in the OT someone extraordinary appears called THE Angel/Messenger of the LORD -- not "an" angel, but The Messenger.
    • This is the pre-incarnate Son of God
    • He is treated like God, He is called God, He speaks as God
    • not saying this about all places where angels are mentioned, but in many places the scripture gives us clues that we're not talking about an ordinary angel -- it's someone divine, and it's usually a great mystery when He appears
  • i'm not saying that Jesus is an angel ((created being)). i'm saying that the Son of God has appeared to men in the past like an angel/messenger
    • there are a lot of examples of that in the OT - i've brought up a couple
    • i agree that maybe in these cases it is better to translate the word as "Messenger"
sound good?

in the course of discussing Mmse. Orphaned's views about Michael the subject of whether Christ has ever appeared as an angel came up. i'm not trying to say Michael = Christ, i'm just pointing out that The Angel/Messenger of the LORD in the OT is treated as God by scripture, and it must be the Son because the Father has never been seen at any time. ;)
 
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Putting puzzles together is a good analogy of the process. Having another set of eyes and approach helps to complete it a little easier. Even more, that we both look forward to getting it finished and are looking at the same picture reference. I've always started by looking for the border pieces.
I used to be impatient and rushed. And then I was thinking, I wish I could just memorize it so I'll always have it on the "top of my head." But then, what would I do with the rest of my life? I'd stop studying if I knew everything and remembered everything. So ... that's not the process, for me to just be a sponge, absorb it all up and then go on my way through life.
 
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Well, then go study it for yourself. The facts are the facts, no matter where we get them, if you want to research for hours be my guest, like I stated, there are a bunch of videos there. It blew a hole in your understanding, I understand because I thought the same thing for 25 years. It's OK to be wrong, it means God is helping us along our journey, we start out as sinners, come to God by Faith alien, then He reveals all things unto us, and we only see darkly in this lifetime.

I celebrate understanding I was in error because now I know I am seeing truths.
Do you trust what you see on youtube or tv or read in books? I'm just curious. Because I'm very "timid" about listening to Ph.D.s and theologians because no matter how smart they are or how well studied, no matter who they are, or even who we are, there is wrong judgment all over the place. It's always a matter of if we can recognize the truth.
 
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You are batting 100 percent so for today.

The Anti-Christ is a Gentile King just like the other 6 were.

Thee never was a 7 Hill City, its reverse engineering THE FALL of 7 Kings in order to let us know ALL SEVEN had a king at the helm as they fell (of course) and thus the last King that falls is the Anti-Christ, thus he is the ONLY ONE that both Arises AND Falls, this is why the last Beast is a MAN, not a Kingdom/Nation like the others. But that flies right over your head, you see it as ONE CITY.

And, is never, ever, EVER called Mystery Babylon, that comes from people just NOT THINKING CLEARLY. The Angel in Rev. 17:7 says "Come, I will show you the Mystery of the Woman and the Beast she rides" thus it was never a Mystery, that was the Angel in the previous verses describing THE MYSTERY, not A MYSTERY TO COME. Like this:

MYSTERY
1.) Babylon the Great
2.) Mother of Harlots
3.) Abominations of the Earth

He DESCRIBES THE MYSTERY, then says COME and I will REVEAL it unto you, and thus he does, and you and others are still guessing.

THE MYSTERY of the Harlot is made clear in the above DESCRIPTION of the Harlot, then the Angel reveals her plight unto us.

This is THE MYSTERY, Babylon the Great is noted for what? FALSE RELIGION. The Mother of all Harlotry is what? FALSE RELIGION. The one thing God hates more than all other things is what? Worshiping FALSE GODS, he a jealous God.

MYSTERY is a header, not a part of the clues !! Thus THAT GREAT CITY John is referred back unto in verse 18, via what he saw, is the False Religious Worship of Babylon the Great in the spiritual realm. Satan rules Babylon the Great because it simply is Satan's Dark Kingdom on this earth, he is the god of this whole world, thus he lies and confuses the masses into fighting their own God at Armageddon, and in Rev. 16:19, we see God calls those He defeats at Armageddon, Babylon the Great. So, who did He defeat? The 6th Vial says ALL THE KINGS of the WHOLE EARTH.

Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts(Earthquake/Jesus Returns), and the cities of the nations fell (Jesus defeats ALL THE Kings of the earth): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Who does God call Babylon the Great? The WHOLE WORLD. The masses that fight their own God are CONFUSED, Babel means confusion!! It's just that simple. God judges the WHOLE WORLD, not ONE CITY !! The bible would tell you that if you DUG IN DEEP.

LASTLY, there were never any LOST TRIBES of Israel, God has already had a Remnant of each tribe, He just made them ONE STICK, like the Prophecy said He would do.

ONE HOUR = 42 months.
Sorry for the stupid questions, but this is not something I understand. So, I'll just ask.

You never seem to mention China. China is becoming very prominent. Aren't they part of this too?
You say the words king or kings. Do you mean government or spiritual leaders?
You say armies. Do you mean military armies or population armies?

You say one hour is 42 months (a little over 3.5 years on earth.) If you have the numbers clear, there are 10 minutes of silence in Heaven that I was wondering if that meant that our prayers were not reaching God during those 10 minutes. How long is 10 minutes in heaven and about when did that occur or is it occurring now or still yet to occur?
 
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as previously discussed, this isn't proof the little horn is Jewish.
it's only corroborative.
so even tho i personally agree that he will be a Jew ((or possibly Edomite - there's an argument for that)), because i believe it will be Judas Iscariot returned, you're not doing yourself good by just putting these verses here like it's 'end of discussion' because it's not. find more proof.


as someone pointed out, consider who is the god of Abraham's fathers?
so the phrase 'god of his fathers' is not necessarily pointing to Hebrew descent according to the flesh.
all it means is that he will reject the beliefs of his culture.
Who has been the God of rome since the 300’s AD?

scripture must be taken together. Just because it may mean something does not mean it does
 

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Sorry for the stupid questions, but this is not something I understand. So, I'll just ask.

You never seem to mention China. China is becoming very prominent. Aren't they part of this too?
You say the words king or kings. Do you mean government or spiritual leaders?
You say armies. Do you mean military armies or population armies?

You say one hour is 42 months (a little over 3.5 years on earth.) If you have the numbers clear, there are 10 minutes of silence in Heaven that I was wondering if that meant that our prayers were not reaching God during those 10 minutes. How long is 10 minutes in heaven and about when did that occur or is it occurring now or still yet to occur?
If one hour is 42 .months in his calculation, then 10 minutes would be 42÷6= 7 months

If you believe that story, I have swampland in Florida im selling for a Million dollars an acre
 
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If one hour is 42 .months in his calculation, then 10 minutes would be 42÷6= 7 months

If you believe that story, I have swampland in Florida im selling for a Million dollars an acre
The silence lasted about half an hour.
I think if had been 21 months then John's friends and family might have started asking questions
 

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Well, then go study it for yourself. The facts are the facts, no matter where we get them, if you want to research for hours be my guest, like I stated, there are a bunch of videos there. It blew a hole in your understanding, I understand because I thought the same thing for 25 years. It's OK to be wrong, it means God is helping us along our journey, we start out as sinners, come to God by Faith alien, then He reveals all things unto us, and we only see darkly in this lifetime.

I celebrate understanding I was in error because now I know I am seeing truths.
You know there are such things as cults and cult followers.
I do study it, in the Scriptures, from the Author of the Scriptures, not from some dude pleading for me to 'hit the bell', 'smash the like' and 'subscribe' on a platform that is devoicing conservatives and Christians. Yes, I'd rather drink from pure water source than muddy waters no matter how many hours it takes.
"It blew a hole in my understanding"? You don't even know what my understanding is, so how could you say 'you thought the same thing for 25 years'? This is tortuously funny, I must stop.
 

posthuman

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All the clues must fit 100 percent, always, God never makes miscues. Turkey, Russia, and Iran's Armies get destroyed by God BEFORE the Anti-Christ comes to power.
oh yay! an Ezekiel 38 reference!

((?))
 
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The silence lasted about half an hour.
I think if had been 21 months then John's friends and family might have started asking questions
Oh, half an hour. I forgot the exact time. But, it's a mathematical equation that I wasn't able to construct in my mind.
 

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How can he be a jew if he is said to be of the people,who destroyed the city and temple (Romans 9)

that would make him from rome or europe. not jewish
Where does it say that? Dont get smart with me!

I never said to throw out Daniel or call him a liar. I just cant recall a verse that says that.
 

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Where does it say that? Dont get smart with me!

I never said to throw out Daniel or call him a liar. I just cant recall a verse that says that.
Romans chapter 9 sure dosen't say it :giggle: