Daniel 11:37, The Future Antichrist Will Be A Jew/Hebrew In Decent

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Where does it say that? Dont get smart with me!

I never said to throw out Daniel or call him a liar. I just cant recall a verse that says that.
Daniel 9 and 7 and 2. As I said
 

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Where does it say that?[...]

I never said to throw out Daniel or call him a liar. I just cant recall a verse that says that.

I've posted before that Dan9:25-27 is SEQUENTIAL.

This means that v.25a speaks of Jesus ("FROM... UNTO the Messiah the Prince");

then...

--"after [the specific time-length "62 Weeks" (69 total)]... "shall Messiah be CUT OFF and have nothing [/or, 'but not for himself']" (32ad)

then...

--"the people OF" (the ppl OF 'the prince that SHALL COME') "shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" (corresponding with Matt22:7 / Lk21:23,20 / Lk19:41-44 [what Jesus said on Palm Sunday--on the exact day the "69 Wks" TOTAL were concluded]... which all refer to the events surrounding "70ad");

then...

--[way later] "the prince that SHALL COME" (himself) will do his "whose COMING [/ARRIVAL / ADVENT / PRESENCE / parousia]" thing 2Th2:9a/8a (which is "after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness, unto them that...," etc), "IN HIS TIME" (v.6)... that is, in the "future" trib yrs, aka at the *ARRIVAL* of the "DOTL" time-period, aka "IN THE NIGHT," aka at the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3]" that Jesus ALSO had spoken of (but in the plural)...




IOW, "the people OF [the prince that SHALL COME (not Jesus, here)]" do their thing in the 70ad events;
whereas "the prince that SHALL COME" (himself) is far-future, in the [7] Trib years...

...the one who does the Dan9:27a / 27b / 27c things, correlating precisely with Paul's referring to (in 2Th2) the BEGINNING [2Th2:9a/8a/3c], MIDDLE [2:4], *and* END [2:8b- of-7-yr-trib things Paul speaks of in 2Th2, as well as do the other RELATED passages, in the SAME way (Rev4[/6]-19 / Matt24, etc)
 

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...so, in this way, there is a CONNECTION between "the people OF" the prince that SHALL come... and "the prince that SHALL COME" himself (who "COMES" way later), see...


[I'll leave it to the readers to make that "connection" in whatever way they understand "the people OF" who destroyed the city and the sanctuary in the events surrounding 70ad... to connect with "the prince that SHALL COME"]
 
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Where does it say that? Dont get smart with me!

I never said to throw out Daniel or call him a liar. I just cant recall a verse that says that.
If that question was for me, the verse isn't in Daniel. I should have cited it plus I also mistakenly said 10 minutes. It's half an hour.

Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
 

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^ ... forgot to add:

... a passage SOMEWHAT RELATED...

Rev17:8 says,

"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not [at the time of the writing, i.e. 95ad], and yet SHALL BE [FUTURE tense]."
 
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Dont just throw chapters out there, quote verse with chapters to support your claim
I already did see post 282, and I have posted Dan 9 numerous times now

you read My posts like you read the word
 

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Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
----The Setup----

If we read through all of Daniel 11 we notice that both Dan 11 and Dan 12 are one continuous narrative if we removed chapter markings.

With this understanding, we notice that if Dan 11 starts off describing 3 Persian kings, with a 4th who stirs up against the realm of Grecia/Greece (a kingdom that no longer exists)...

...but ends with Dan 12 describing archangel Michael standing up for Daniel's people, with a time of great trouble beginning for them (which we know is the end-times great tribulation)...

...then it's safe to conclude that the angel is explaining to Daniel a summary timeline of events that spans hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years (from Daniel's perspective). In other words, Daniel 11-12 is not exclusively an "end time" prophecy.

This means that those described as "King of the North" and "King of the South" are not individual people but kingdoms, most likely ruled by principalities (as was explained to Daniel when the "Prince of Persia" prevented Gabriel from reaching Daniel without Michael's help).

So it follows that these kingdom territories are "north" and "south" of Daniel's pov (i.e. the middle-east area ruled by Medes at the time). No matter the name a kingdom takes on - or which human currently sits on those thrones from one rule to the next - the kingdom that's based "north" of the middle-east // Jerusalem area is the "king of the north" and the kingdom based "south" of that area is the "king of the south".


----Critical Point----

At the beginning of the narrative, the "King of the north" was the Grecian Empire because Greece is "north" of the middle-east. And the "king of the south" was the Seleucid Empire based in Egypt, "south" of the middle-east.

But then during the time of Messiah, the "king of the north" was the Roman Empire because Rome is "north" of the middle-east area.

This Empire spanned many, many years until the "king of the south" challenged the "king of the north" for the "glorious land" (Jerusalem): the Islamic Empire based in Mecca // Arabia, "south" of the middle-east.


----Text in Context----

Daniel 11:45
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

"The glorious holy mountain" = Mt. Moriah; Jerusalem

"between the seas" (of that mountain) = the Dead Sea & Mediterranean Sea

"His tabernacles/Palace" is planted (before a time of trouble begins for the Jews; Dan 12) = ???


----Historical Confirmation----

Q: What historic "dwelling place" was planted smack dab on Holy Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem that could either be claimed by the Roman Empire OR the Islamic Empire?

A: The Dome of the Rock. It is of Roman architecture but used for Islamic worship.

Prior to the Dome of the Rock, Papal Rome ("Holy" Roman Empire, based in Rome...the NORTH) fought with Islamic Saracens (based in Mecca...the SOUTH).

Following the Dome of the Rock, the crusades involved the Pope's army ("Holy" Roman Empire, based in Rome...the NORTH) trying to reclaim the holy land from Islamic rule (based in Mecca...the SOUTH).


----Fulfillment----

I went through all of this to set the boundaries for confirming who the "King of the North" is as described in Daniel 11:36-39.

The King of the North was/is currently Papal Rome. Regardless of who sits on the throne, the king historically...

- IS a kingdom with an army.
- Exalts & magnifies himself above every god (i.e. caesar & pope claimed to be "god in the flesh")
- Has documented proof of speaking blasphemously against the God of gods ("a pope can change biblical law")
- Propers throughout the dark ages
- Did not regard the god of forefathers (the Greco-Roman pantheon; paganism)
- Doesn't desire women (since celibacy is a requirement)
- Honors the god of forces/fortresses (i.e. Cybele the god of fortresses [literally has a fortress as her crown] was renamed Mary, Queen of heaven)
- Causes strongholds to rule over many (as popes would install kings throughout lands)
- Divides the Holy Land for gain.
- Then Islamic Saracens pushed at him from the south but he came like a whirlwind (declaring war on them)

- Daniel 9 - It was Rome's people who destroyed the city (of Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (of the temple) in 70 AD....and that destruction came like a relentless flood where no one within those walls survived. And why? Because they rejected the Messiah. The entire city was razed to the ground as far as historians detail. One testimony said the soldiers were so bloodthirsty it was as if they were possessed.


----Conclusion----

It doesn't matter which incarnation Rome takes on (Pagan, "Holy", or Modern/political), Rome is the "King of the North". Rome is the "antichrist kingdom".

There were only 4 beasts in Daniel's vision before the Son of Man appeared, and the 4th one had iron teeth. Rome was known as the Iron Empire. The 4th beast was described as terrible-looking, while a dragon is described in Revelation 12. On Rome's banner flew "Drago" (the dragon), just like the lion represented Babylon both in Daniel's vision as well as on their actual banner.

This kingdom - and yes it's STILL officially recognized as a sovereign kingdom today - is currently weakened because of its mortal wound from France (i.e. when the French ended the Papal state in 1798 because of persecution), only to be "healed" through the Lateran Concordat of 1929...but Papal Rome never regained its former power.

...and not many people will see it until the Messiah comes to reveal this "man of lawlessness" with the breath of His mouth and brightness of His coming.
 
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ok, yay!
i think we're understanding each other now & on the same page! :)

going to just kind of lay it all out here, to be sure -- i've been saying:
  • Mmse. Orphaned is not a JW - they say Michael isn't the same person as the Son of God, but an ordinary angel, who died on the cross. she says Michael is another name for the Son of God because the Son is the chief messenger
  • in many places in the OT someone extraordinary appears called THE Angel/Messenger of the LORD -- not "an" angel, but The Messenger.
    • This is the pre-incarnate Son of God
    • He is treated like God, He is called God, He speaks as God
    • not saying this about all places where angels are mentioned, but in many places the scripture gives us clues that we're not talking about an ordinary angel -- it's someone divine, and it's usually a great mystery when He appears
  • i'm not saying that Jesus is an angel ((created being)). i'm saying that the Son of God has appeared to men in the past like an angel/messenger
    • there are a lot of examples of that in the OT - i've brought up a couple
    • i agree that maybe in these cases it is better to translate the word as "Messenger"
sound good?

in the course of discussing Mmse. Orphaned's views about Michael the subject of whether Christ has ever appeared as an angel came up. i'm not trying to say Michael = Christ, i'm just pointing out that The Angel/Messenger of the LORD in the OT is treated as God by scripture, and it must be the Son because the Father has never been seen at any time. ;)
You got me right. I was never saying Jesus was a created angel that was elevated and exalted. I was always speaking in terms of messenger and messaging. And because the words are God's and Jesus is God, and the words are the power that quicken us, (Psalm 119:50 + 93) that Jesus is the chief messenger and the power behind the message.

I don't know if you saw my post to someone else, but the Bible does tell us with certainty and without ambiguity that Michael is the Messiah. Daniel Chapter 9:25 declares that Messiah is the Prince and Daniel Chapter 12:1 declares that Michael is the prince.
 
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----The Setup----

If we read through all of Daniel 11 we notice that both Dan 11 and Dan 12 are one continuous narrative if we removed chapter markings.

With this understanding, we notice that if Dan 11 starts off describing 3 Persian kings, with a 4th who stirs up against the realm of Grecia/Greece (a kingdom that no longer exists)...

...but ends with Dan 12 describing archangel Michael standing up for Daniel's people, with a time of great trouble beginning for them (which we know is the end-times great tribulation)...

...then it's safe to conclude that the angel is explaining to Daniel a summary timeline of events that spans hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years (from Daniel's perspective). In other words, Daniel 11-12 is not exclusively an "end time" prophecy.

This means that those described as "King of the North" and "King of the South" are not individual people but kingdoms, most likely ruled by principalities (as was explained to Daniel when the "Prince of Persia" prevented Gabriel from reaching Daniel without Michael's help).

So it follows that these kingdom territories are "north" and "south" of Daniel's pov (i.e. the middle-east area ruled by Medes at the time). No matter the name a kingdom takes on - or which human currently sits on those thrones from one rule to the next - the kingdom that's based "north" of the middle-east // Jerusalem area is the "king of the north" and the kingdom based "south" of that area is the "king of the south".


----Critical Point----

At the beginning of the narrative, the "King of the north" was the Grecian Empire because Greece is "north" of the middle-east. And the "king of the south" was the Seleucid Empire based in Egypt, "south" of the middle-east.

But then during the time of Messiah, the "king of the north" was the Roman Empire because Rome is "north" of the middle-east area.

This Empire spanned many, many years until the "king of the south" challenged the "king of the north" for the "glorious land" (Jerusalem): the Islamic Empire based in Mecca // Arabia, "south" of the middle-east.


----Text in Context----

Daniel 11:45
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

"The glorious holy mountain" = Mt. Moriah; Jerusalem

"between the seas" (of that mountain) = the Dead Sea & Mediterranean Sea

"His tabernacles/Palace" is planted (before a time of trouble begins for the Jews; Dan 12) = ???


----Historical Confirmation----

Q: What historic "dwelling place" was planted smack dab on Holy Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem that could either be claimed by the Roman Empire OR the Islamic Empire?

A: The Dome of the Rock. It is of Roman architecture but used for Islamic worship.

Prior to the Dome of the Rock, Papal Rome ("Holy" Roman Empire, based in Rome...the NORTH) fought with Islamic Saracens (based in Mecca...the SOUTH).

Following the Dome of the Rock, the crusades involved the Pope's army ("Holy" Roman Empire, based in Rome...the NORTH) trying to reclaim the holy land from Islamic rule (based in Mecca...the SOUTH).


----Fulfillment----

I went through all of this to set the boundaries for confirming who the "King of the North" is as described in Daniel 11:36-39.

The King of the North was/is currently Papal Rome. Regardless of who sits on the throne, the king historically...

- IS a kingdom with an army.
- Exalts & magnifies himself above every god (i.e. caesar & pope claimed to be "god in the flesh")
- Has documented proof of speaking blasphemously against the God of gods ("a pope can change biblical law")
- Propers throughout the dark ages
- Did not regard the god of forefathers (the Greco-Roman pantheon; paganism)
- Doesn't desire women (since celibacy is a requirement)
- Honors the god of forces/fortresses (i.e. Cybele the god of fortresses [literally has a fortress as her crown] was renamed Mary, Queen of heaven)
- Causes strongholds to rule over many (as popes would install kings throughout lands)
- Divides the Holy Land for gain.
- Then Islamic Saracens pushed at him from the south but he came like a whirlwind (declaring war on them)

- Daniel 9 - It was Rome's people who destroyed the city (of Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (of the temple) in 70 AD....and that destruction came like a relentless flood where no one within those walls survived. And why? Because they rejected the Messiah. The entire city was razed to the ground as far as historians detail. One testimony said the soldiers were so bloodthirsty it was as if they were possessed.


----Conclusion----

It doesn't matter which incarnation Rome takes on (Pagan, "Holy", or Modern/political), Rome is the "King of the North". Rome is the "antichrist kingdom".

There were only 4 beasts in Daniel's vision before the Son of Man appeared, and the 4th one had iron teeth. Rome was known as the Iron Empire. The 4th beast was described as terrible-looking, while a dragon is described in Revelation 12. On Rome's banner flew "Drago" (the dragon), just like the lion represented Babylon both in Daniel's vision as well as on their actual banner.

This kingdom - and yes it's STILL officially recognized as a sovereign kingdom today - is currently weakened because of its mortal wound from France (i.e. when the French ended the Papal state in 1798 because of persecution), only to be "healed" through the Lateran Concordat of 1929...but Papal Rome never regained its former power.

...and not many people will see it until the Messiah comes to reveal this "man of lawlessness" with the breath of His mouth and brightness of His coming.
I'm struggling with all this, Chapter 11 and 12. I thought the powerful king was Alexander the Great and the four horns that were after him were the 4 divided kingdoms of Greece no longer united under Alexander. It mentioned this was not of his posterity.

At some point, these other kingdoms I'm guessing are rising and falling during passages of time.

The Roman Catholic Church is diminished. It seems to be ungluing. Its flocks are scattering. I thought the reformation and the rise of "state churches" was a significant blow to the RCC and I don't see how it's ever recovered from that.
 
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...but ends with Dan 12 describing archangel Michael standing up for Daniel's people, with a time of great trouble beginning for them (which we know is the end-times great tribulation)...
This might be important since Revelation 12:7-12 describes a war in heaven, led by Michael the archangel, resulting in Satan being cast down to earth.

Satan has great wrath once cast to earth and straightaway begins a campaign of persecution known as the Great Tribulation, describes in more details in Revelation 13.

So, once again, Michael is standing up against the forces of evil just before a time of great trouble beginning.
 

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as previously discussed, this isn't proof the little horn is Jewish.
it's only corroborative.
so even tho i personally agree that he will be a Jew ((or possibly Edomite - there's an argument for that)), because i believe it will be Judas Iscariot returned, you're not doing yourself good by just putting these verses here like it's 'end of discussion' because it's not. find more proof.


as someone pointed out, consider who is the god of Abraham's fathers?
so the phrase 'god of his fathers' is not necessarily pointing to Hebrew descent according to the flesh.
all it means is that he will reject the beliefs of his culture.
I pointed out the God of Abraham is also the God of the Christians, thus you can't narrow him down to only Jewish. No man is born again, the bible tells us a man is born once, then judged. Daniel chapter 11 has a PURPOSE, we are given a RUNDOWN on all the Greek Kings and the inter Greek battles for a reason, the Anti-Christ is born in Greece. Antiochus is his TYPE, that is why it goes from Antiochus in Dan. 11:21-32-33 to the Anti-Christ in Dan. 11:36-45.

He is an Atheist. He has to be Assyrian by blood (Isaiah 10) he has to be Greek via Danel 8:9, we are given a DIRECTIONAL BOX, and he conquers TOWARDS the East and TOWARDS the South, in the FOUR-WAY BATTLE for supremacy over 2400 years or so, he must come out of the Northwest in this INTER DIVISIONAL BATTLE as the Little Horn, and that means Greece. Then in Dan. 7, it says he must ARISE to power out of the Fourth Beasts Head, thus all three things gave to come to pass. He has to be a Turk/Assyrian, by blood, he has to be born in Greece, that the whole reason we get the RUNDOWN on all the Greek Kings like no rundown in the History of prophecies, he's born in GREECE, just like Antiochus.

Finally, he has to come to power in the E.U. The 10 DIVIDED was always Europe, Rome's territory, thus Brussels Belgium will be his city, but he's born in Greece and arises to power there. You have a BLOODLINE, you have a Nationality, and you have a POWERBASE all three have to MESH in one person.

The False Prophet is the Jewish High Priest, just as Jason was under Antiochus. I am not just guessing, I know this via scriptures, that is why I can cite them all.
 

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I'm struggling with all this, Chapter 11 and 12. I thought the powerful king was Alexander the Great and the four horns that were after him were the 4 divided kingdoms of Greece no longer united under Alexander. It mentioned this was not of his posterity.

At some point, these other kingdoms I'm guessing are rising and falling during passages of time.

The Roman Catholic Church is diminished. It seems to be ungluing. Its flocks are scattering. I thought the reformation and the rise of "state churches" was a significant blow to the RCC and I don't see how it's ever recovered from that.
Here you go, I worked on an Exegesis of Daniel 11 and 12 for months. This is very thorough, I name every Greek king in every verse, and how each king came to power, etc. I had all this on Discuss and they closed it down and gave us a week's notice, so I transferred my blogs and work to a WordPress site, but I have never tried to get it going. I just didn't want to lose my work product. I have it at two or three different places. Computers crash and sometimes we lose things, so I made a few blog sites, etc.

https://prophecyunvieled.home.blog/2019/08/11/daniel-11-12-historically-explained-step-by-step/
 
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Here you go, I worked on an Exegesis of Daniel 11 and 12 for months. This is very thorough, I name every Greek king in every verse, and how each king came to power, etc. I had all this on Discuss and they closed it down and gave us a week's notice, so I transferred my blogs and work to a WordPress site, but I have never tried to get it going. I just didn't want to lose my work product. I have it at two or three different places. Computers crash and sometimes we lose things, so I made a few blog sites, etc.

https://prophecyunvieled.home.blog/2019/08/11/daniel-11-12-historically-explained-step-by-step/
Thank you.

I will go read there now.
 

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I'm struggling with all this, Chapter 11 and 12. I thought the powerful king was Alexander the Great and the four horns that were after him were the 4 divided kingdoms of Greece no longer united under Alexander. It mentioned this was not of his posterity.

At some point, these other kingdoms I'm guessing are rising and falling during passages of time.
Right. Daniel is the audience. The Angel is explaining the passage of time from his perspective. He was under the rule of the Medes at the time but his perspective is middle-east. So the "king of the north" is "north of his homeland" and the "king of the south" is "south of his homeland". Doesn't need to be a continuance of posterity. and the name of the kingdom can change. These are principalities in control.

Recall Nebuchadnezzar's vision of the statue, how it flowed from one metal to the next representing one world-ruling power after the next. It's the same concept. The kings of the north and south aren't family dynasties unless the text specifically says so, but they are kings throughout history.

The Roman Catholic Church is diminished. It seems to be ungluing. Its flocks are scattering. I thought the reformation and the rise of "state churches" was a significant blow to the RCC and I don't see how it's ever recovered from that.
There's the Papacy (i.e. called the Papal state or Papal Rome) and then there's The Roman Catholic Church. These are two separate but related/linked entities. One could argue one's the beast and one's the great harlot riding said beast.

Indeed. Papal Rome never regained its former world-ruling power. It no longer establishes kings or executed "heretics" or commissions inquisitions that persecute Jew & Gentile believers alike (like it did for centuries in the past). It no longer directly leads the world but it's still here influencing people to believe a lie...and once upon a time, the whole world followed after Papal Rome until the State was ended one day in 1798 by the french only to resurrect in 1929. The Papal State still has its own army (albeit very, very small and more for ceremony now).

Heal Wound of Many Years: Vatican again at peace

The article literally using the words "heal" and "wound" exactly the words used in Revelation 13 describing the beast's deadly wound that's healed.
 
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There were only 4 beasts in Daniel's vision before the Son of Man appeared, and the 4th one had iron teeth. Rome was known as the Iron Empire. The 4th beast was described as terrible-looking, while a dragon is described in Revelation 12. On Rome's banner flew "Drago" (the dragon), just like the lion represented Babylon both in Daniel's vision as well as on their actual banner.
The dragon described in Revelation 12 is the same described in Revelation 13:v.11-12 :
11 And I beheld another Beast coming up out of the earth; and he has two horns (two horns refer to two kingdoms) like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. (Actually a false lamb, the son of perdition, a false messiah, a false God, an IMPOSTER, an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah of the Jews)

12 And he -the dragon-exerciseth all the power of the FIRST (Man) Beast -the Pope, the Papacy- before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST (Man) Beast - the Pope, the Papacy-, whose deadly wound was healed.


Why the dragon excercises all the power of the FIRST Beast-the Papacy-before him? Now, now, it because the Dragon will make a deal with the Pope(not with Pope Francis, but with the next Pope -the last- who will replaced Pope Francis who must die soon-), yeah, the Dragon will make a deal with the Pope and will give him his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority.

After this satanic EVENT the Man Beast like a lamb, the Dragon, who has only a TAIL for a while, yeah, after this satanic EVENT he will link the 7 heads and 10 horns of the Beast of sea to his satanic body, and both will establish a religious, and universal, and satanic kingdom. And the Dragon will exercise all the power of the FIRST Man Beast-the Papacy-before him.

And who shall be the first to rule the satanic kingdom between the Man Beast of sea and the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist false messiah, the MAIN head of Judaism, yeah, who will rule FIRST the sganic kingdom is the Beast of sea-the Pope- Revelation 13:v.5:
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 1,260 days in LITERAL fulfilment of Rev elation 11:v.1-2:


1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 1,260 days



Be careful and get ready

 

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This might be important since Revelation 12:7-12 describes a war in heaven, led by Michael the archangel, resulting in Satan being cast down to earth.
Indeed. The start of Daniel 12:1 is perfectly linked to Revelation 12:7-12. We can sync both passages in this specific place in time. That same "time of trouble" can be linked to Matthew 24:21. If these three books were still scrolls you could roll all three out parallel at these verses to start to fill in details.

Jump down to Daniel12:7 and notice that the point of the "great time of trouble" was to "scatter" daniel's people.

Daniel 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
 

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The dragon described in Revelation 12 is the same described in Revelation 13:v.11-12 :
11 And I beheld another Beast coming up out of the earth; and he has two horns (two horns refer to two kingdoms) like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. (Actually a false lamb, the son of perdition, a false messiah, a false God, an IMPOSTER, an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah of the Jews)

12 And he -the dragon-exerciseth all the power of the FIRST (Man) Beast -the Pope, the Papacy- before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST (Man) Beast - the Pope, the Papacy-, whose deadly wound was healed.

Why the dragon excercises all the power of the FIRST Beast-the Papacy-before him? Now, now, it because the Dragon will make a deal with the Pope(not with Pope Francis, but with the next Pope -the last- who will replaced Pope Francis who must die soon-), yeah, the Dragon will make a deal with the Pope and will give him his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority.

After this satanic EVENT the Man Beast like a lamb, the Dragon, who has only a TAIL for a while, yeah, after this satanic EVENT he will link the 7 heads and 10 horns of the Beast of sea to his satanic body, and both will establish a religious, and universal, and satanic kingdom. And the Dragon will exercise all the power of the FIRST Man Beast-the Papacy-before him.

And who shall be the first to rule the satanic kingdom between the Man Beast of sea and the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist false messiah, the MAIN head of Judaism, yeah, who will rule FIRST the sganic kingdom is the Beast of sea-the Pope- Revelation 13:v.5:
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 1,260 days in LITERAL fulfilment of Rev elation 11:v.1-2:


1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 1,260 days



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I don't know. I try to keep an open-mind, but I am the same as Gary DeMar - this battle describes something over 2000 years ago. I am surprised I really entertained the modern hypotheses...lol
If so how did Israel lose? God defeats them on the Mount of God!! Israel lost in 70 AD. Israel was taken from their land and transported via the Diaspora all over the whole world. Gog and Magog are defeated, the Anti-Christ treads down Jeruslam for ONLY 42 months, not 2000 years. The Psalm 83 war is END TIMES also, we can name about 10 to 15 wars between Israel and those Nations from 1948 to about 2010. Then we get the Iran threat that brings Israel and her IMMEDIATE Neighbors to peace (Trump Accords). Israel lost in 70 AD, it doesn't fit brother.
 
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Indeed. The start of Daniel 12:1 is perfectly linked to Revelation 12:7-12. We can sync both passages in this specific place in time. That same "time of trouble" can be linked to Matthew 24:21. If these three books were still scrolls you could roll all three out parallel at these verses to start to fill in details.

Jump down to Daniel12:7 and notice that the point of the "great time of trouble" was to "scatter" daniel's people.

Daniel 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Where does the Temple of Ezekiel's visions come in?