Daniel 9:26-27, 70 Weeks
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Then just deal with this:
How the Millennium Reign forms is the hardest part. are there going to be people that still don't believe somehow? Why will we be priests unless there are people to preach to? are there fallen people that survive The Return, but are forced to live outside The Kingdom City limits? maybe only the lukewarm are allowed to survive?
Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
How the Millennium Reign forms is the hardest part. are there going to be people that still don't believe somehow? Why will we be priests unless there are people to preach to? are there fallen people that survive The Return, but are forced to live outside The Kingdom City limits? maybe only the lukewarm are allowed to survive?
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The Gentile nations, which include even the ten tribes of Israel who call themselves Gentiles, are the "wild olive tree." Adoption grafts them into Christ, making them God's childre. We can partake of Christ's root, benefits, and freedom, as well as be a member of the olive tree that is His kingdom. We have eternal life when we are a part of that olive tree.
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i always leave room for that being a possibility ...but if we are actually Reborn ...we don't have to worry about whatever it is ...because we will naturally have nothing to do with it. ...and wouldn't care if we died for CHRIST. My aim is to wake the lukewarm that have all the excuses in the world to not get Right with GOD.
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Paul is pointing out that there are a lot of people who are willing to testify. Their enormous gathering, he says, is like a "cloud."
In I Thessalonians 4:17, Paul used the same word "cloud." Paul was speaking in colloquial Greek, and when he used the word "cloud" here, he was employing a figure of speech.
In I Thessalonians 4:17, Paul used the same word "cloud." Paul was speaking in colloquial Greek, and when he used the word "cloud" here, he was employing a figure of speech.
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No! Let's take a look at those same beast in Daniel 7th Chapter that's written in Revelation 13: 1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Now, notice verse 4: And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: So we see that the dragon gave those beast it's power. Let's see who is the dragon is. Let's go to Revelation 12: 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
So Satan is the dragon and we can see other names he is call. But Satan is behind these beast, he work through people only by permission from the Lord.
Now, notice verse 4: And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: So we see that the dragon gave those beast it's power. Let's see who is the dragon is. Let's go to Revelation 12: 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
So Satan is the dragon and we can see other names he is call. But Satan is behind these beast, he work through people only by permission from the Lord.
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uh; you’ve lost me. So when the antichrist (Satan) appears at the 6th Trump (before Jesus comes), many will be deceived (that’s how good the AC will be in his deception). Many will be deceived in ignorance, but if they don’t get their act together in the Millennium, it isn’t going to be good for them.
Consider for just a moment the inverse of your view about the 70th week. What happens to Revelation's prophecies - particularly the 1,260 days and 42 months - if the 70th week is already fulfilled in our past? I hope you'll agree that the answer is "absolutely nothing".
It's not necessary for the 70-weeks to remain unfulfilled for the end-time events of Revelation to play out exactly as prophesied.
There are three eschatological camps, but unfortunately, only two are popular these days:
1. Preterism - All end-time prophecies were fulfilled in 70AD and we're currently living in the kingdom.
[All seals, trumpets, and bowls fulfilled in 70AD]-----[Our Present]
2. Historicism - Elements of end-time prophecy are progressively fulfilled - in order - across our history (starting from Pentecost), through to our present day, and into our future.
[Some fulfilled in our Past] -----[Some being fulfilled in our Present]-----[Some remaining in our Future]
3. Futurism - All end-time prophecies will be fulfilled at some point in the future of mankind.
[Our Present]-----[All seals, trumpets, and bowls fulfilled after our time here, in 7 years]
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GaryA and I are among the few here who subscribe to the Historicist view of end-times.
It may interest you to know that the Protestant Reformers who broke away from the Catholic church subscribed to Historicism too, while Preterism and Futurism were developed by Catholic Jesuits during the counter-reformation to counteract the reformers.
So historicism was the original eschatological view of Revelation and Daniel.
Consider it another way; that there have only ever been 1,260 "days" in that specific portion of the end-times prophecy. The number is said three times in three different ways: once in Daniel 12, once in Revelation 11, and once more in Revelation 13.
-"Time, Times, Half Time"
-"A thousand, two hundred and threescore days"
-"Forty-and two months"
...That doesn't mean the other portions of prophecy (i.e. seals, trumpets, bowls) are fixed within that timeframe also.
Plausible.
I say both are true. By my calculation (Historicist), we are much further along in this grand drama than folks think. It would play right into satan's plan to have everyone fighting over two extremes while the truth is found somewhere in the middle.
As Revelation 19 says, it's only the beast and its army that are destroyed when the Messiah and His army comes, it doesn't say anything about ordinary citizens of nations. Daniel 7 mentions that when the beast is destroyed that the other beasts (i.e. nations) will be allowed to remain for a short time afterward. This is describing the same thing.
Imagine that there have been approx 2000 years of lies, corruption, alternative "truths"; over 4000 different denominations all touting their version of the way is the right way; along with an entire world that has all but forgotten common decency. Spoiled. Allowed to live however they wanted. They all must be corrected.
This is why Revelation 2:26-27 says "he that overcomes will rule the nations with a rod of iron that dashes them like potter's clay." Zechariah 14 also makes mention of this strict rule over the nations; how if the nations don't come to celebrate the feast of tabernacles they will be cursed with no rain for crops.
The world will be taught to live in the truth about the Almighty by the Messiah and His overcomers or face punishment, as the world's grace period will be at an end.
No not His presence, but His reality.
Those who are His will be with Him, transformed. But everyone else will see Him with their natural eyes in absolute terror. The world will then marshall their armies and gather their weapons on war and throw everything they've got at Him, and then all who attacks Him will be destroyed. There will be tears and screaming and death. Blood everywhere. So many bodies the birds will feast.
This will be divine wrath.
The Day of the Lord is dark (Amos 5:18).
Those who are changed will be shining like the sun and the stars. Walking, talking fulfillment of the burning bush; of Moses and Elijah transfigured; the embodiment of holy fire.
It's not necessary for the 70-weeks to remain unfulfilled for the end-time events of Revelation to play out exactly as prophesied.
There are three eschatological camps, but unfortunately, only two are popular these days:
1. Preterism - All end-time prophecies were fulfilled in 70AD and we're currently living in the kingdom.
[All seals, trumpets, and bowls fulfilled in 70AD]-----[Our Present]
2. Historicism - Elements of end-time prophecy are progressively fulfilled - in order - across our history (starting from Pentecost), through to our present day, and into our future.
[Some fulfilled in our Past] -----[Some being fulfilled in our Present]-----[Some remaining in our Future]
3. Futurism - All end-time prophecies will be fulfilled at some point in the future of mankind.
[Our Present]-----[All seals, trumpets, and bowls fulfilled after our time here, in 7 years]
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GaryA and I are among the few here who subscribe to the Historicist view of end-times.
It may interest you to know that the Protestant Reformers who broke away from the Catholic church subscribed to Historicism too, while Preterism and Futurism were developed by Catholic Jesuits during the counter-reformation to counteract the reformers.
So historicism was the original eschatological view of Revelation and Daniel.
Consider it another way; that there have only ever been 1,260 "days" in that specific portion of the end-times prophecy. The number is said three times in three different ways: once in Daniel 12, once in Revelation 11, and once more in Revelation 13.
-"Time, Times, Half Time"
-"A thousand, two hundred and threescore days"
-"Forty-and two months"
...That doesn't mean the other portions of prophecy (i.e. seals, trumpets, bowls) are fixed within that timeframe also.
Plausible.
I say both are true. By my calculation (Historicist), we are much further along in this grand drama than folks think. It would play right into satan's plan to have everyone fighting over two extremes while the truth is found somewhere in the middle.
As Revelation 19 says, it's only the beast and its army that are destroyed when the Messiah and His army comes, it doesn't say anything about ordinary citizens of nations. Daniel 7 mentions that when the beast is destroyed that the other beasts (i.e. nations) will be allowed to remain for a short time afterward. This is describing the same thing.
Imagine that there have been approx 2000 years of lies, corruption, alternative "truths"; over 4000 different denominations all touting their version of the way is the right way; along with an entire world that has all but forgotten common decency. Spoiled. Allowed to live however they wanted. They all must be corrected.
This is why Revelation 2:26-27 says "he that overcomes will rule the nations with a rod of iron that dashes them like potter's clay." Zechariah 14 also makes mention of this strict rule over the nations; how if the nations don't come to celebrate the feast of tabernacles they will be cursed with no rain for crops.
The world will be taught to live in the truth about the Almighty by the Messiah and His overcomers or face punishment, as the world's grace period will be at an end.
No not His presence, but His reality.
Those who are His will be with Him, transformed. But everyone else will see Him with their natural eyes in absolute terror. The world will then marshall their armies and gather their weapons on war and throw everything they've got at Him, and then all who attacks Him will be destroyed. There will be tears and screaming and death. Blood everywhere. So many bodies the birds will feast.
This will be divine wrath.
The Day of the Lord is dark (Amos 5:18).
Those who are changed will be shining like the sun and the stars. Walking, talking fulfillment of the burning bush; of Moses and Elijah transfigured; the embodiment of holy fire.
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That's confusing, because I just show you that Satan gave them their power. So I don't see how you believe everything except for one thing. But here's another example to show you the beast and the false prophet. Le's go to Revelation 19: 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
The little horn here is the false prophet, the beast is a General or something. Both cast in the fire, but let's see when Satan meet them in the fire. Let's go to Revelation 20: 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Keep in mind this is a thousand yrs later, the false prophet and beast been in the Lake of Fire for thousand yrs.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
So Satan just met up with the false prophet and beast after a thousand yrs.
The little horn here is the false prophet, the beast is a General or something. Both cast in the fire, but let's see when Satan meet them in the fire. Let's go to Revelation 20: 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Keep in mind this is a thousand yrs later, the false prophet and beast been in the Lake of Fire for thousand yrs.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
So Satan just met up with the false prophet and beast after a thousand yrs.
As long as you keep in mind two things: (1) the Reformers were NOT focused on Eschatology but on Gospel truth and (2) the Reformers remained strongly influenced by Catholics such and Augustine and others when interpreting prophecy. Therefore one needs to go straight back to Scripture. And the first five seals were opened in the first century. The 6th and 7th seals are for the future.
my biggest concern is for there to be confusion over a "Temple" that actually is GOD ...and not the satan one. What a mess this is going to be. either side could end up being right about who is in there. GOD would build a Whole City though, not just a Building ...right? If we see the Mount of Olives split, it will mean GOD is There. ...so, satan did already cause a problem.
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