Daniel 9:27

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Jason0047

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Also, in Isaiah 30 we read something very interesting:

''And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of [his] anger, and [with] the flame of a devouring fire, [with] scattering, and tempes, and hailstones. For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, [which] smote with a rod.''(Isaiah 30:30-31)

This verse says that the Assyrian will be destroyed by the voice of the Lord. Could it be that this is what Paul had in mind when he wrote?:

''Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God . . .And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:''(2 Thessalonians 2:3-4,8)

Here Paul says that the Antichrist will be destroyed by the spirit of the mouth of the Lord just as Isaiah wrote that by the voice of the Lord will the Assyrian be destroyed. Although Paul and Isaiah use different terms, the idea is the same. Some might say that Isaiah 30:30-31 refers to the destruction of the Assyrians by the Babylonians, but some verses of Isaiah 30 have eschatological implications, not just historical. See Isaiah 30:18-33.

In Micah we read:

''2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
3Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
4And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.
5And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.
6And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.'' (Micah 5:2-6)

Verse 2 is a prophecy concerning the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. Verse 4 is a prophecy concerning His greatness in the Lord as the King to the ends of the earth. Verse 5 is a prophecy concerning His delivering the Jews from the Assyrian when the Assyrian comes against Israel. This passage also seems to indicate that the Antichrist will be an Assyrian.

Source:
Assyria: The Nation of the Antichrist
(Note: Not all views expressed by the author reflect my views or beliefs. This includes the previous source link in my other post, too).
 
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Jason0047 said:
I am sorry, my friend. I am not interested in debating Preterism at this time. That would be like trying to convince me that water is not wet in it's liquid state. For a quick glance at Revelation should make it obvious that the 7 seals have not been broken yet.
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I have never understood how anybody could be a Preterist, mistake SO many things as having happened that never came close to happening in the Bible, huge events of the end times which clearly can't be dismissed as not literal, simply for the catastrophes to the globe spelled out and the extent of casualties. Nor how anybody could think the word of God an allegory with regards to anything they can't understand, therefore we'll attach our own meanings. What kind of God would even be the author of such confusion, some jumble of symbols for man to assign some value to, prone to multitudes of errors? The Bible is not Nostradamus! Much of this came out of Catholicism, part of it to increase their own power, insert the Roman church into the role of bringing in the kingdom, then the reign of Christ (but not until then), even part of it to placate ancient kings who didn't like the concept of being brought down in the apocalypse. For all the wrong reasons, some men like Augustine, at any rate.
 
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(Actually, when I first learned of Preterists, I remember thinking this can't be, thought, "You're kidding me!")
 
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JesusIsAll said:
I have never understood how anybody could be a Preterist, mistake SO many things as having happened that never came close to happening in the Bible, huge events of the end times which clearly can't be dismissed as not literal, simply for the catastrophes to the globe spelled out and the extent of casualties. Nor how anybody could think the word of God an allegory with regards to anything they can't understand, therefore we'll attach our own meanings. What kind of God would even be the author of such confusion, some jumble of symbols for man to assign some value to, prone to multitudes of errors? The Bible is not Nostradamus! Much of this came out of Catholicism, part of it to increase their own power, insert the Roman church into the role of bringing in the kingdom, then the reign of Christ (but not until then), even part of it to placate ancient kings who didn't like the concept of being brought down in the apocalypse. For all the wrong reasons, some men like Augustine, at any rate.
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I agree. It is very silly indeed to not see the obvious; However, we should love and pray for them (Whether they calls themselves a Historicist, or a Partial Preterist, or Preterist). Sometimes God speaks to my heart not to debate this topic with them because it is something that needs to be received spiritually. For it always comes down to if a believer is truly receiving God's Word or not. For that is what the Parable of the Sower is all about. In John 8: it is why the Pharisees could not understand Jesus' speech; For they did not hear (or receive) his Word. In other words, they did not plainly believe God's Word. Now, am I saying that if you don't have right Eschatology, you are not saved? No, most certainly not. Salvation is God's department. But a true believer who has repented of their sins will mature in the faith and will in time be guided into all truth (If they are striving to live for God in all they do).
 
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The Abomination of Desolation is the Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount. First off, the desolation occurred back in Daniel's day. The sacrifices ended in 583 BC when the last of the Levitical priests were carried away to Babylon. From that point 1,290 years forward (if you do the math and convert the Jewish years) you come to 688 AD, the year the Dome of the Rock construction began.

Fast forward another 42 months of years from AD 688 and you get 1967, the year Israel took control of Jerusalem, Rev 11. Thus Daniel was not writing anything about the 2nd Temple, he was writing about Solomon's temple, the one he knew about. Therefore Jesus was discussing the Dome of the Rock too in Mat 24.
 
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PlainWord said:
The Abomination of Desolation is the Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount. First off, the desolation occurred back in Daniel's day. The sacrifices ended in 583 BC when the last of the Levitical priests were carried away to Babylon. From that point 1,290 years forward (if you do the math and convert the Jewish years) you come to 688 AD, the year the Dome of the Rock construction began.

Fast forward another 42 months of years from AD 688 and you get 1967, the year Israel took control of Jerusalem, Rev 11. Thus Daniel was not writing anything about the 2nd Temple, he was writing about Solomon's temple, the one he knew about. Therefore Jesus was discussing the Dome of the Rock too in Mat 24.
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That is very interesting, will look into that.
 
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The reason it would seem like the covenant would be between the man of sin and Israel is because the man of sin is trying to thwart the covenant between Israel and God.

The Bible says the Jews have 70 weeks to get right with God and mentions 69 weeks has passed.It is obvious that the Jews have not fulfilled the 70 weeks because they have not embraced Jesus as the Messiah,which as a testimony that they were not right with God,God allowed the Roman Empire to overthrow Jerusalem and scatter the Jews in to the nations,and the Jews have not been right with God ever since Jesus was on earth until now,so they have not fulfilled the 70 weeks which seems like it will happen during the tribulation period when God brings them to the truth.

Also in the Old Testament God said that as long as the ordinances of heaven were in effect,the stars,the moon,and the sun,then God's covenant with Israel still stands and in effect(Jeremiah 33:19-26).

God's covenant is with the Jews in the Old Testament,and God's covenant is with the Jews in the New Testament,which Jesus said salvation is of the Jews,and the Gentiles were included.

The man of sin is trying to thwart the covenant between Israel and God for if he does then there is no salvation for anyone because the spiritual kingdom will not be if the Jews as a nation do not accept Jesus as their Messiah and God.

In Daniel chapter 11 it speaks of the power struggle to obtain the kingdom,which means to control the world,mainly Israel,which will be given to the saints after God puts down the world and Jesus rules in Israel over the world.

It speaks of the power struggle to obtain the kingdom up to the man of sin whose main concern is effecting Israel and says he is against the holy covenant,the covenant between God and Israel,so he will want to make a covenant with them to thwart the covenant between God and Israel.His covenant will be based on himself and Israel,which he exalts himself and steps in to their temple and claiming to be their God after three and one half years,but God will send two witnesses to the Jews to turn their hearts to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah and God,which at the end of three and one years the Jews will have turned to Jesus and the man of sin will persecute all the Jews who turned to Christ.

The man of sin will establish a covenant with the Jews trying to replace the covenant between God and Israel.
 
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