Daniel 9:27

[2Thewaters]

Daniel 9:27

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks

using a day for a year as all prphecies back then used:

Ezek 4:6 I have appointed thee each day for a year.
62 weeks is 7 days per week
so 434 years after the Jersualem decree to rebuild Jerusalem the mesiah shows up
which he did
and that is why the bible schlars and wise men were talking about it

Preisets always start there ministry on their 30th birthday
so Jesus showed up 434 years at age thirty





shall Messiah be cut off, (killed)
but not for himself:
and the people of the prince (Romans)
that shall come shall destroy the city (Jerusalem)
and the sanctuary; (Romans)
and the end thereof shall be with a flood, (lots of troops)
and unto the end of the war desolations //9destructions of Gods people)
are determined. (going to happen)

in the last 2000 years the JEWS were TARGETTED for death worldwide 22 times!
the last time was the third reich with hitlers aryan sun god sunday keeping priests trying to do the FINAL SOLUTION

God stopped that with HIS COUNTRY AMERICA
and the devil failed again
that was the third reich
the pagans had a first reich and a second reich before the third
it is on wikipedia
I will not put it up here or I will get in trouble
but what you need to know
the Roman empire has never been destroyed, it continues and gains power yearly
there will be a fourth rich again and a super final solution soon
kill the Jews!
wait and see
it dosnt matte

what matters to you is for YOU to read your bible and follow it and not thepope

does that make sense?
you dont need to knw anything but to read study read believe and read the word of God on your own with Jesus
not listening to the majority of pfalse interpretations who try and twist it
forget dispensations JEsus never said anything about that
forget transition periods JEsus never said anything about that

he said to study and read your Bible
now
that is what sanctified and changes your mind
you have to have a deep love relationship with JEsus NOW
get several versions
read a book of the bible A DAY
in many versions and pray pray pray asking what does this mean
it WILL be different than what you hear here or in church
be ready for that
for what YOU will find is the TRUTH.


Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Dan 10:1 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, but the time appointed was long: and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision.
Dan 10:2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.

 

[2Thewaters]

DAniel was sick when he realized it would be many many centuries before Jesus would come


but that time is over...
Jesus comes...
We just have to wait for the false flag that paints the jews black so they can kill them...

iraq and iran are key to that false flag attack and the world will forever hate jews and kill them all.


but be assured it wasnt the Jews that did it
for the Jews the true ones keep the commandments of God
and the faith of Jesus...like you and I.

 

[KJV1611]

The question I ask for edification sake, referring to post # 3;

Where is the scripture in the book of Daniel that is Christ Jesus referring to?

Please quote the chapter and verse.

Mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand ,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Matthew 24:10-15
10 And then shall many be offended , and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise , and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound , the love of many shall wax cold .
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved .
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come .
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth , let him understand.

Jesus is referring to this:

Dan_11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Jesus is not referring Daniel 9:27. The abomination in Daniel 9:27 is referring to the abomination of the Jews. Because of their abominations, Jesus said and did the following.

Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The covenant was with Abraham's seed, not his earthly seed... but Jesus Christ and all those that are his.

true.

but ALL of daniel 9 is concerning the nation of Israel. even this covenant. it has nothing to do with us, it concerns the prayer of daniel concerning.

1. The temple in jersusalem
2. the holy city of jersualem
3. The people of israel.

to Make ANY INTERPRETAION Of any part of daniel 9 outside of this context, is to destroy the true meaning of the text. period.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi crossnote, did Antiochus cause the daily sacrifice to cease or did the shed blood of Jesus Christ cause the daily sacrifice to cease?
Is there a need to return to the sacrificial system today? No, is that because of Antiochus or Jesus?

Israel is not even mention in those verses. The covenant is with the many... that's gentiles.

antiochus did yes. the sacrifice could not exist in a defiled temple.

did jesus? no. sacrifices went on until 70 AD when the temple was destroyed (not abominated by an unclean thing) By Titus and the roman army.

no sacrifice in any temple ever forgave sin, so sacrifice was never required to forgive sin, period.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thanks for explaining that grammatically RachelBibleStudent. What do you think about the opening line of 27?

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

To me the language structure points to a covenant that has already been established in the past. "He" is not making a covenant but "he" is confirming the covenant that already exists. What do you think?

yes, he is confirming a covenant, or in other words, re-estabilishing a covenant which was already made.

but the covenant is a covenant with the nation of Israel (the context of dan 9) and not with all mankind. Don;t distort and take scripture out of context.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

I believe the 'he' in Daniel 9:27 is the antichrist because when I compare Scripture with Scripture, I see that it is the antichrist that causes the oblation and the sacrifice in the temple to cease:




Matthew 24:15-22

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains: 17 let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.




Mark 13:14-20

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judæa flee to the mountains: 15 and let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: 16 and let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. 19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.





2 Thessalonians 2:3-6

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.




Daniel 9:27

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[just-me]

I believe the 'he' in Daniel 9:27 is the antichrist because when I compare Scripture with Scripture, I see that it is the antichrist that causes the oblation and the sacrifice in the temple to cease:

Absolutely!!!!!

the sacifice is within the temple, and the temple is now within the children of God.

Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Thanks for explaining that grammatically RachelBibleStudent. What do you think about the opening line of 27?

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

To me the language structure points to a covenant that has already been established in the past. "He" is not making a covenant but "he" is confirming the covenant that already exists. What do you think?

i think this is the abrahamic covenant...especially the clauses in the abrahamic covenant that refer to the gentiles...which jesus himself carried out and affirmed...

genesis 17:14..."No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I have made you the father of a multitude of nations."
genesis 22:18..."In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."

these same promises become central to what is later called the 'new covenant'

 

[Catalyst]

The covenant in reference is the rabbinical covenant with the descendants of... I forget (Aaron maybe one of the prominent priests of old) the covenant is semi complex. The half week when sacrifice stops is Rev 11:7-11/ which coincides with Dan 11:30-43 (verse 44 could actually be read like this 44"But rumors from the East and from the North will disturb him, and he will go forth with great wrath to destroy and annihilate many. Rev 11:11But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear fell upon those who were watching them. 12And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." Then they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies watched them. 13And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell; seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.45"He will pitch the tents of his royal pavilion between the seas and the beautiful Holy Mountain; yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.14The second woe is past; behold, the third woe is coming quickly.

 

[starfield]

Daniel 9:26-27
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Messiah confirmed the covenant with many (cf. Matthew 26:28) and caused the Levitical sacrifices to cease by offering Himself as a final sacrifice for sins.

 

[Catalyst]

Everyone (aside from God and the Jews) seems to forget that there is a group of people still waiting for "Jesus" to come. Also for those who have noticed God frequently has a pretty sarcastic sense of humor. Like in Eden I'm paraphrasing 'look the man has become like one of us- and with that he put them out of the garden'. It says that the "wild beast" will perform great wonders. Even calling down fire from heaven in the sight of men. Were the "right" (bloodline) person to show up flash some "magic" there you go- Their Messiah. The prophecy in Daniel is automatically "claimed" by Christians to apply to our/the true Messiah. Never considering it could be a prophecy for the Jews that rejected Gods Son. The "weeks" it speaks of- the ones that man of his own accord, decided were weeks of years etc. cover all but about five months of the 1,260 days mentioned in Dan/Rev- no one ever considered any other alternative like, forgetting the people that God once called His- they are still waiting for (their version) THE Messiah. God loves to grant "careful what you wish for" wishes. Everything seems to point to the Jews being the means by which the false prophet and "the wild beast" slip in the back door so to speak.

 

[phil112]

Daniel 9:26-27
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Messiah confirmed the covenant with many (cf. Matthew 26:28) and caused the Levitical sacrifices to cease by offering Himself as a final sacrifice for sins.

Your post is only part of the proof of what I said in post #4.
Let's think about this for a minute. " And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week"..........Tell me, anyone, how the second half of that week got fulfilled. Very specific and clear. HE SHALL, meaning it happened. God has never had a failed prophecy. If Christ was cut off in the middle of the week, how did it get finished?
There is absolutely no other explanation. Read Galations 1. How long did Christ teach Paul in Arabia? Look it up. read the whole chapter and tell me where and how that doesn't fulfill said prophecy. Everything about Christ ministry, the length, His death, how and when God chose Paul, and the manner and person that taught Paul. It fits like a tailor made glove.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Daniel 9:26-27
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Messiah confirmed the covenant with many (cf. Matthew 26:28) and caused the Levitical sacrifices to cease by offering Himself as a final sacrifice for sins.

the levitical sacrifice did not cease. in fact they kept on for almost 40 years. So this can not be the correct interpretation.

As for the passage, It goes in sequential order. as the whole prophesy does.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

Messiah was killed exactly one literal 7 day week after the 69th week was completed (the 69th was said to be completed at the enterance of messiah, which happened on good friday)

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;


occured almost 40 years after messiah the prince, It was not the prince who did this, but the people of the prince. The prince is still a yet future prince, The prophesy says he will come from the people who destroyed the city and temple.

and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The temple will lie desolate until the war desolations are determined, We are not given the length of this time. All we know is that once this time has been fulfilled. the city will be rebuild (along with the temple) and it will no longer remain desolate (much like the restoration of the city and temple after babylon)

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This can not be christ, Christ said plainly when you see this abomination of desolation lying in the holy place to run. For then their will be great tribulation such as has never been seen. ie, it will make the 30 years of ww1 and ww2 look like a picnic.

This is the prince who is to come, Who comes out of the people who destroy the city (rome)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your post is only part of the proof of what I said in post #4.
Let's think about this for a minute. " And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week"..........Tell me, anyone, how the second half of that week got fulfilled. Very specific and clear. HE SHALL, meaning it happened. God has never had a failed prophecy. If Christ was cut off in the middle of the week, how did it get finished?

first off. He did not get cut off in the middle of the week. he got cut off at the end of the 69 week. Which was fulfilled when he entered jerusaem on a donkey.

2nd, Your right, All prophesy will be fulfilled. The great tribulation which occurs immediately before the return of CHrist, has not yet happened yet, But mark Gods word. It will.

There is absolutely no other explanation. Read Galations 1. How long did Christ teach Paul in Arabia? Look it up. read the whole chapter and tell me where and how that doesn't fulfill said prophecy. Everything about Christ ministry, the length, His death, how and when God chose Paul, and the manner and person that taught Paul. It fits like a tailor made glove.

Ecxept for a few details.

1 There has not yet been a great tribulation
2. Not once in the history of the worldhas makind been in danger of destroying all life, which would cause Jesus to return (if I did not return, no flesh would survive)
3. Jesus said many things must happen BEFORE these events take place

1. Birth pangs but the end is not yet
2. The abomination
3. The great tribulation
4. Christ returns before all flesh is destroyed. for the sake of the elect

It may fit like a glove, but it does not fit context. or the rest of scripture.

 

[KJV1611]

yes, he is confirming a covenant, or in other words, re-estabilishing a covenant which was already made.

but the covenant is a covenant with the nation of Israel (the context of dan 9) and not with all mankind. Don;t distort and take scripture out of context.

I'm assuming by your response that you believe Jesus is the one who confirmed the covenant in verse 27 and not the Antichrist.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm assuming by your response that you believe Jesus is the one who confirmed the covenant in verse 27 and not the Antichrist.

No.

Jesus fulfilled the mosaic covenant, and made a NEW covenant with all people

Dan 27 concerns only the nation of Isreal. and the city and sanctuary. Which does not concern an yone who is not of the bloodline of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.

 

[KJV1611]

antiochus did yes. the sacrifice could not exist in a defiled temple.

did jesus? no. sacrifices went on until 70 AD when the temple was destroyed (not abominated by an unclean thing) By Titus and the roman army.

no sacrifice in any temple ever forgave sin, so sacrifice was never required to forgive sin, period.

I agree no sacrifice in any temple ever forgave sins, but the Jews were required by God to make animal sacrifices until Christ came and fulfilled the shadows.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree no sacrifice in any temple ever forgave sins, but the Jews were required by God to make animal sacrifices until Christ came and fulfilled the shadows.

Yes that was the old covenant. which never took away sin. So a jew doing a sacrifice today in a new temple would be no more doing the will of God thathe high priest in Jesus day, they were in sin then, and they will be in sin in this future temple.

Again, Jesus did not confirm a covenant already in place. He made a new one with his death.

And again, Sacrifices continued for almost 40 years. How do you spiritualize that away?

 

[KJV1611]

Yes that was the old covenant. which never took away sin. So a jew doing a sacrifice today in a new temple would be no more doing the will of God thathe high priest in Jesus day, they were in sin then, and they will be in sin in this future temple.

Again, Jesus did not confirm a covenant already in place. He made a new one with his death.

And again, Sacrifices continued for almost 40 years. How do you spiritualize that away?

I agree sacrifices continued for another 40 years, but after the death of Christ those sacrifices were not required by God.

Also Paul said that Christ did confirm the covenant already in place.

Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.