Daniel and Matthews abomination of desolation.

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Type what bible verse you are referring to.
So you admit ,you don't know much of anything about the king of the north?I mean,if you did,you would know he comes against the glorious land with a great fleet of ships.
 

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So you admit ,you don't know much of anything about the king of the north?I mean,if you did,you would know he comes against the glorious land with a great fleet of ships.
You are evading. What specific bible passage are you referring to that has the king of the north and ships? I want you by citing the exact bible verse to define the context to prove that it is a time of the end event.
 
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You are evading. What specific bible passage are you referring to that has the king of the north and ships? I want you by citing the exact bible verse to define the context to prove that it is a time of the end event.

I plainly stated that the king of the north ,comes to the glorious land with a great fleet of ships at the time of the end.
If you actually paid any attention to the prophecy concerning the king of the north ,you would have known exactly where to find it.

Daniel 11:40
40 “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. 41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. 42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites[e] in submission. 44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. 45 He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at[f] the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.





And if you know anything about the glorious land,you would know Israel is landlocked on three sides.The great fleet of ships above must come from the west .The home of the United states 6th fleet is north west of Israel in Italy.
 

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I plainly stated that the king of the north ,comes to the glorious land with a great fleet of ships at the time of the end.
If you actually paid any attention to the prophecy concerning the king of the north ,you would have known exactly where to find it.

Daniel 11:40
40 “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. 41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. 42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites[e] in submission. 44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. 45 He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at[f] the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.





And if you know anything about the glorious land,you would know Israel is landlocked on three sides.The great fleet of ships above must come from the west .The home of the United states 6th fleet is north west of Israel in Italy.
Okay, those verses are time of the end.

The issue is who is "the him" throughout those verses. "the him" is the beast king, who will be headquartered in Jerusalem at that time, along with the false prophet, and the statue image of the beast on the temple mount.

The king of the north is Russia and allies. Not the United States. The United States could be involved, but as being allied with the EU, the kingdom of the beast-king.

Those battles and movements of military constitute a prelude to Armageddon.




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Okay, those verses are time of the end.

The issue is who is "the him" throughout those verses. "the him" is the beast king, who will be headquartered in Jerusalem at that time, along with the false prophet, and the statue image of the beast on the temple mount.

The king of the north is Russia and allies. Not the United States. The United States could be involved, but as being allied with the EU, the kingdom of the beast-king.

Those battles and movements of military constitute a prelude to Armageddon.




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You spend two days wanting me to show you where the time of the end is in Daniel 11 and now suddenly you claim to know it all.

And no,the king of the north is not headquartered in Jerusalem.He only moved his embassy there.

Daniel 11:45

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

A tabernacle of a palace is not the palace itself.His palace remains in the same place it has been in previous administrations throughout Daniel 11. The modern word for a tabernacle representing his palace is an embassy.He moves his embassy to Jerusalem.

The king of the norths armed forces will occupy Israel for 42 months though as the king of the north gives Israel his armed forces to protect and keep Israel safe from its enemies.The king of the north believes that only he can keep Israel safe.
 

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And no,the king of the north is not headquartered in Jerusalem.He only moved his embassy there.
The beast-king is the king of the west, not the king of the north.

Daniel 11:45

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

A tabernacle of a palace is not the palace itself.His palace remains in the same place it has been in previous administrations throughout Daniel 11. The modern word for a tabernacle representing his palace is an embassy.He moves his embassy to Jerusalem.

The king of the norths armed forces will occupy Israel for 42 months though as the king of the north gives Israel his armed forces to protect and keep Israel safe from its enemies.The king of the north believes that only he can keep Israel safe.
The beast-king is not the king of the north. And the king of the North is not the president of the United States. Daniel 11:45 planting his tabernacle in Jerusalem on the holy mount, i.e the temple mount, is a way of saying that the beast-king will make his final stand there.




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The beast-king is the king of the west, not the king of the north.



The beast-king is not the king of the north. And the king of the North is not the president of the United States. Daniel 11:45 planting his tabernacle in Jerusalem on the holy mount, i.e the temple mount, is a way of saying that the beast-king will make his final stand there.




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There is no beast king in Daniel 11.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.


The king of the north moved the tabernacle of his palace to Jerusalem.
That is what we call an embassy.


And I didn't just make that up .I've known he would since 2003.
 

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Daniel 11:36 is about the king of the north as much of the entire chapter is.




Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.



Now let's try to keep the one verse you take out of context in context ,shall we.

Daniel 11

21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.

25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.

27 And both of these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.

29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.

30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.


Not that you can understand any of this.You didn't even know the king of the north had a fleet of ships.
 

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Not that you can understand any of this.You didn't even know the king of the north had a fleet of ships.
Of course Russia has a fleet of ships. I never denied that.

The king of the north with the ships of Daniel 11:40 though is not the beast-king of Daniel 11:36 and Revelation 13:4-6.
 
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Of course Russia has a fleet of ships. I never denied that.

The king of the north with the ships of Daniel 11:40 though is not the beast-king of Daniel 11:36 and Revelation 13:4-6.

Daniel doesn't change the subject from daniel 11:36-daniel 11:45.
The exact same king of the north.

You don't even know who it's talking about and you never knew there was a fleet of ships in Daniel 11:40 because you don't pay attention to scripture.You just make up stories to tell to people just like you make up charts that contradict the word of God.


Daniel 11
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.







There's no telling how many people you mislead with your stories.
 
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Of course Russia has a fleet of ships. I never denied that.

The king of the north with the ships of Daniel 11:40 though is not the beast-king of Daniel 11:36 and Revelation 13:4-6.

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The king of the north in Daniel 11:36 is not the beast in Daniel 13:4-6.

The king of the north is the man who gives the beast his armed forces in revelation 13:11.
 

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The king of the north in Daniel 11:36 is not the beast in Daniel 13:4-6.

The king of the north is the man who gives the beast his armed forces in revelation 13:11.
The (second) beast in Revelation 13 is the false prophet. He is not a king, nor has his own army.

The person in Revelation 13:11-14 who does the miracles is the false prophet. And will be cast into the lake of fire at the same as the beast-king in Revelation 19:20.

Revelation 13:
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.


Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The king in Daniel 11:36 is the beast-king. King of the west, not the king of the north. He comes to his end in Daniel 11:45 on the temple mount. the holy mountain.

There on the temple mount with the beast-king will be false prophet and the abomination of desolation statue image indwelt by Satan.

The king of the north, the king of south, the kings of the east will all be drawn into the middle east to attack the beast-king of Daniel 11:36. That is the prelude to Armageddon.

While the kings are going through their battles in Daniel 11:40-44 against the beast-king, the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven.

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Faced with the terrifying appearance of Jesus, sickle in hand, the kings of the north, the south, the east will stop battling against the beast-king of the west, and take council with beast-king in Jerusalem, where the beast-king will have moved his tabernacle...

Psalms 2:
1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

They assemble their armies, already in the middle east, at Armageddon. And devise a plan to take half of the city of Jerusalem as hostages just out side the city, Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Jesus then descends from heaven to execute judgment on the armies and their kings of the north, the south, the east, the west. And to cast the beast-king (king of the west) and false prophet alive into the lake of fire. And to turn the abomination of desolation statue image to ashes, exposing Satan, there on the temple mount. And Satan is then bound in chains and cast into the bottomless pit.


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The (second) beast in Revelation 13 is the false prophet. He is not a king, nor has his own army.

The person in Revelation 13:11-14 who does the miracles is the false prophet. And will be cast into the lake of fire at the same as the beast-king in Revelation 19:20.

Revelation 13:
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.


Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The king in Daniel 11:36 is the beast-king. King of the west, not the king of the north. He comes to his end in Daniel 11:45 on the temple mount. the holy mountain.

There on the temple mount with the beast-king will be false prophet and the abomination of desolation statue image indwelt by Satan.

The king of the north, the king of south, the kings of the east will all be drawn into the middle east to attack the beast-king of Daniel 11:36. That is the prelude to Armageddon.

While the kings are going through their battles in Daniel 11:40-44 against the beast-king, the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven.

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Faced with the terrifying appearance of Jesus, sickle in hand, the kings of the north, the south, the east will stop battling against the beast-king of the west, and take council with beast-king in Jerusalem, where the beast-king will have moved his tabernacle...

Psalms 2:
1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

They assemble their armies, already in the middle east, at Armageddon. And devise a plan to take half of the city of Jerusalem as hostages just out side the city, Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Jesus then descends from heaven to execute judgment on the armies and their kings of the north, the south, the east, the west. And to cast the beast-king (king of the west) and false prophet alive into the lake of fire. And to turn the abomination of desolation statue image to ashes, exposing Satan, there on the temple mount. And Satan is then bound in chains and cast into the bottomless pit.


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Miracles you say.

Paul called them lying wonders.Paul speaking of the king of the north.



3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.




Revelation 13 describes the second beast as having two horns.You believe a man has two horns lol

You also believe the first beast is the one who performs lying wonders.Revelation 13 says it's the second best that deceives the people.
 
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The (second) beast in Revelation 13 is the false prophet. He is not a king, nor has his own army.

The person in Revelation 13:11-14 who does the miracles is the false prophet. And will be cast into the lake of fire at the same as the beast-king in Revelation 19:20.

Revelation 13:
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.


Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The king in Daniel 11:36 is the beast-king. King of the west, not the king of the north. He comes to his end in Daniel 11:45 on the temple mount. the holy mountain.

There on the temple mount with the beast-king will be false prophet and the abomination of desolation statue image indwelt by Satan.

The king of the north, the king of south, the kings of the east will all be drawn into the middle east to attack the beast-king of Daniel 11:36. That is the prelude to Armageddon.

While the kings are going through their battles in Daniel 11:40-44 against the beast-king, the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven.

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Faced with the terrifying appearance of Jesus, sickle in hand, the kings of the north, the south, the east will stop battling against the beast-king of the west, and take council with beast-king in Jerusalem, where the beast-king will have moved his tabernacle...

Psalms 2:
1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

They assemble their armies, already in the middle east, at Armageddon. And devise a plan to take half of the city of Jerusalem as hostages just out side the city, Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Jesus then descends from heaven to execute judgment on the armies and their kings of the north, the south, the east, the west. And to cast the beast-king (king of the west) and false prophet alive into the lake of fire. And to turn the abomination of desolation statue image to ashes, exposing Satan, there on the temple mount. And Satan is then bound in chains and cast into the bottomless pit.


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Since you believe it's the first beast that performs signs and lying wonders.
Quote the verse that shows the first beast performing these signs and lying wonders.




2 Thes 2

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders




Here is the second beast performing those signs and lying wonders.




Revelation 13
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
 

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Since you believe it's the first beast that performs signs and lying wonders.
Quote the verse that shows the first beast performing these signs and lying wonders.
No, I wrote that the second beast is the one that performs the miracles in the presence of the first beast.
 
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No, I wrote that the second beast is the one that performs the miracles in the presence of the first beast.

According to Paul,that would be the man of sin who is Daniels king of the north performing signs and lying wonders.


Thes 2

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

Me and Paul seem to see things the same way.
 

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You also believe the first beast is the one who performs lying wonders.Revelation 13 says it's the second best that deceives the people.
I wrote that it is the second beast, the false prophet, who does the miracles.

Paul called them lying wonders.Paul speaking of the king of the north.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
No, the king of the north is the leader of Russia.

The revealed man of sin, after being killed and brought back to life as the beast, will be empowered by Satan, who Satan will also behind the miracles the second beast (the false prophet) does).

The biggest lying miracle will be when the false prophet gives life to the statue image of the beast making it come alive and speak. But in reality it will be because Satan will indwell the statue image.