Daniel Chapter two

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Rondonmon

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Asseria destroyed the northern kingdom. The northern kingdom will be destroyed.

Rome destroyed the southern kingdom, The southern kingdom will be restored.

The people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and sanctuary (dan 9) The prince who is to come will confirm a covenant for one week. But int he middle of that week he will place and abomination of desolation. And the people in Israel wills ee it standing in the Holy Place

Revelation says God protects the woman (Israel) from the beast. So the beast goes after her children (gentile believers)

I looked up three reputable commentaries. All three agree that Assyria is the kingdom that destroyed the northern kingdom. No kingdom will destroy Israel in the tribulation.And they ill be in peace in the 1000 year reign.

Assyria is long since dead. Rome will rise again (although it may not be called rome)
You don't get it, he will have Assyrian Blood thus he's called an Assyrian. People, who are THE SEED of those Assyrians are still being born right? Of course, they are, THE ASSYRIAN (By blood) is Prophetic Lingo. He will not be an Assyrian leader, there will never again be such a nation, but this man was "Prophesied" to come forth from these Assyrians Seed Lines via his blood.

For some reason, you seemingly can't grasp that someone from the old Assyrian Blood Line can be born 2700 years later in Greece and thus come to power in the E.U. It s what it is.

The 33 Titles the coming Anti-Christ is known by:

The Assyrian,
The Prince that Shall Come,
The King of Babylon,
The Seed of the Serpent,
The Little Horn,
The Rod of God’s[Yahweh’s] Anger,
The King of the North,
The Prince of Tyre,
The Wilful King,
The Adversary:
The Assyrian: Isaiah 10:5, Micah 5:5-6
Belial: Nahum 1:15
The Bloody and Deceitful Man: Psalms 5:5
The Chief Prince:
The Crooked Serpent: Isaiah 27:1
The Cruel One: Jeremiah 30:14, 23
The Destroyer of the Gentiles: Jeremiah 4:7
The Enemy: Psalms 55:3
The Evil Man: Psalms 140:1
The Head over Many Countries: Psalms 110:6
The Head of the Northern Army: Joel 2:20
The Idol Shepherd: Zechariah 11:15, 17
The King of Princes: Hosea 8:10
The King of Babylon: Isaiah 14:11-20
The Little Horn: Daniel 7:8, 8:9
The Man of the Earth:
The Merchant with Scales of Deceit: Hosea 12:7
The Mighty Man: Psalms 52:1
The Prince that Shall Come: Daniel 9:26
The Prince of Tyre: Ezekiel 28
The Profane and Wicked Prince of Israel: Ezekiel 21:25-27
The Proud Man: Habukkuk 2:5
The Rod of God’s [Yahweh’s] Anger: Isaiah 10:5
The Seed of the Serpent: Genesis 3:15
The Son of the Morning: Isaiah 14:12
The Spoiler and the Destroyer: Isaiah 15:4-5
The Vile Person: Daniel 11:21
The Violent Man: Psalms 140:11
The Wicked One: Psalms 9:17, 10:2, 4, Isaiah 11:4, Jeremiah 30:14, 23
The Wilful King: Daniel 11:36
 

Rondonmon

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David in chapter two was told the kingdom of Gold was a man (nebachadnezzar)
And it was, only Nebuchaddnezar was alive at that time via the Babylonian Beast. Daniel 7:17 describes it this way

Dan. 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

So, each Beast starts with ONE MAN, which is a given. Only the LAST BEAST both starts and ends with ONE MAN. Thus he is different from the First Beast (Rome).

All nations were ruled by Men, They are the beast. They are the one God gives power to..
Only 7 Beasts Rule over this Mediterranean Sea Region AND Israel while she is an ENTITY (Israel was as Dead Men's Bones for nigh 2000 years). Only ONE BEAST is a Human whose rule is so short the Beast System/Kingdom is never passed on to another heir, thus all of the other Beasts became Kingdom Beasts, whereas the Last Beast that AROSE like the first four men, never passed his kingdom on, thus he alone is THE BEAST (666). You/others grasping this or not isn't going to change God's points/clues/prophesies on his brother.

And again Chapter. Rome is the final beast. The prince of the people who destroy the city.
The prince of the people who destroyed Rome is the final Beast unless Daniel is lying in Dan. 7:11 where he is called THE BEAST and he says the beast's BODY is DESTROYED and then he is cast into hell. Rev. 19 also was the Beast and False Prophet are cast into hell, you can't cast a Nation per se into hell. The 666 is a clue that the last Beast is a man, Rev. 13 te
 
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You don't get it, he will have Assyrian Blood thus he's called an Assyrian. People, who are THE SEED of those Assyrians are still being born right? Of course, they are, THE ASSYRIAN (By blood) is Prophetic Lingo. He will not be an Assyrian leader, there will never again be such a nation, but this man was "Prophesied" to come forth from these Assyrians Seed Lines via his blood.

For some reason, you seemingly can't grasp that someone from the old Assyrian Blood Line can be born 2700 years later in Greece and thus come to power in the E.U. It s what it is.

The 33 Titles the coming Anti-Christ is known by:

The Assyrian,
The Prince that Shall Come,
The King of Babylon,
The Seed of the Serpent,
The Little Horn,
The Rod of God’s[Yahweh’s] Anger,
The King of the North,
The Prince of Tyre,
The Wilful King,
The Adversary:
The Assyrian: Isaiah 10:5, Micah 5:5-6
Belial: Nahum 1:15
The Bloody and Deceitful Man: Psalms 5:5
The Chief Prince:
The Crooked Serpent: Isaiah 27:1
The Cruel One: Jeremiah 30:14, 23
The Destroyer of the Gentiles: Jeremiah 4:7
The Enemy: Psalms 55:3
The Evil Man: Psalms 140:1
The Head over Many Countries: Psalms 110:6
The Head of the Northern Army: Joel 2:20
The Idol Shepherd: Zechariah 11:15, 17
The King of Princes: Hosea 8:10
The King of Babylon: Isaiah 14:11-20
The Little Horn: Daniel 7:8, 8:9
The Man of the Earth:
The Merchant with Scales of Deceit: Hosea 12:7
The Mighty Man: Psalms 52:1
The Prince that Shall Come: Daniel 9:26
The Prince of Tyre: Ezekiel 28
The Profane and Wicked Prince of Israel: Ezekiel 21:25-27
The Proud Man: Habukkuk 2:5
The Rod of God’s [Yahweh’s] Anger: Isaiah 10:5
The Seed of the Serpent: Genesis 3:15
The Son of the Morning: Isaiah 14:12
The Spoiler and the Destroyer: Isaiah 15:4-5
The Vile Person: Daniel 11:21
The Violent Man: Psalms 140:11
The Wicked One: Psalms 9:17, 10:2, 4, Isaiah 11:4, Jeremiah 30:14, 23
The Wilful King: Daniel 11:36
You don’t it

Dan 9 states he will be of the people who destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD

Titus destroyed Jerusalem. The prince will be from Titus nation which is rome
 
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And it was, only Nebuchaddnezar was alive at that time via the Babylonian Beast. Daniel 7:17 describes it this way

Dan. 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

So, each Beast starts with ONE MAN, which is a given. Only the LAST BEAST both starts and ends with ONE MAN. Thus he is different from the First Beast (Rome).



Only 7 Beasts Rule over this Mediterranean Sea Region AND Israel while she is an ENTITY (Israel was as Dead Men's Bones for nigh 2000 years). Only ONE BEAST is a Human whose rule is so short the Beast System/Kingdom is never passed on to another heir, thus all of the other Beasts became Kingdom Beasts, whereas the Last Beast that AROSE like the first four men, never passed his kingdom on, thus he alone is THE BEAST (666). You/others grasping this or not isn't going to change God's points/clues/prophesies on his brother.



The prince of the people who destroyed Rome is the final Beast unless Daniel is lying in Dan. 7:11 where he is called THE BEAST and he says the beast's BODY is DESTROYED and then he is cast into hell. Rev. 19 also was the Beast and False Prophet are cast into hell, you can't cast a Nation per se into hell. The 666 is a clue that the last Beast is a man, Rev. 13 te
that beast is Rome

Titus destroyed Jerusalem

And the people of the prince who is to
Come.,,,,,.

Assyria did Not destroy Jerusalem. Rome
Did

Assyria was destroyed by Babylon.
 

Rondonmon

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You don’t it

Dan 9 states he will be of the people who destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD

Titus destroyed Jerusalem. The prince will be from Titus nation which is rome
And he is of Europe. The Fourth Beast was Rome but it was also ALL Europe. The center of the E.U. is now in Belgium, the E.U. arose via a meeting in Rome in the mid-50s, called the Council of Rome. We have cities that are in nations that are in regions, all can be deemed to be "a people". Common sense would tell you that Dan. 8:9 cant be true if the man has to be born in Rome !! Why have we been given a DETAILED chapter 11 rundown of all the Greek Kings? Why did Greece and Rome rule at the same time or overlap? Because the Anti-Christ has to arise out of one of the Four Generals Kingdom in the endtime, AND out of the Fourth Beasts Head (EUROPE) all at the same time. Why is it called the Fourth Beasts Head? Because the Landmass will be the exact same Landmass.

Assyria did Not destroy Jerusalem. Rome
Did

Assyria was destroyed by Babylon.
Man, do you have reading comprehension skills? Come on.

He (The Anti-Christ) has Assyrian blood.....How is this hard to understand?

This Anti-Christ has to fulfill all three prophetic utterings. He has to have Assyrian Blood AND be born in Greece AND arise out of Central Europe. You seem unable to think outside what you know already. The Holy Spirit told me 5-6 years ago when I asked Him in prayer why the Church seemed to be stuck in the mud and why we as a church had so many different interpretations on what the Beast was, on who the Harlot is, on who the 144,000 are, etc., etc. Then I got this from the Holy Spirit.

"Ron, you guys already know it all"

And that is me looking at you now, you know so much nothing else can get past what you already know in our mind is truth. Once the Holy Spirit revealed this unto me I knew exactly what I had to do, get off of my long-held positions and simply ask God, Lord what does this mean? In every situation now the Holy Spirit answers me. Before He couldn't get through to me, I had all the answers.............but not really.
 
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And he is of Europe. The Fourth Beast was Rome but it was also ALL Europe. The center of the E.U. is now in Belgium, the E.U. arose via a meeting in Rome in the mid-50s, called the Council of Rome. We have cities that are in nations that are in regions, all can be deemed to be "a people". Common sense would tell you that Dan. 8:9 cant be true if the man has to be born in Rome !! Why have we been given a DETAILED chapter 11 rundown of all the Greek Kings? Why did Greece and Rome rule at the same time or overlap? Because the Anti-Christ has to arise out of one of the Four Generals Kingdom in the endtime, AND out of the Fourth Beasts Head (EUROPE) all at the same time. Why is it called the Fourth Beasts Head? Because the Landmass will be the exact same Landmass.


Man, do you have reading comprehension skills? Come on.

He (The Anti-Christ) has Assyrian blood.....How is this hard to understand?

This Anti-Christ has to fulfill all three prophetic utterings. He has to have Assyrian Blood AND be born in Greece AND arise out of Central Europe. You seem unable to think outside what you know already. The Holy Spirit told me 5-6 years ago when I asked Him in prayer why the Church seemed to be stuck in the mud and why we as a church had so many different interpretations on what the Beast was, on who the Harlot is, on who the 144,000 are, etc., etc. Then I got this from the Holy Spirit.

"Ron, you guys already know it all"

And that is me looking at you now, you know so much nothing else can get past what you already know in our mind is truth. Once the Holy Spirit revealed this unto me I knew exactly what I had to do, get off of my long-held positions and simply ask God, Lord what does this mean? In every situation now the Holy Spirit answers me. Before He couldn't get through to me, I had all the answers.............but not really.
Your the only human in history I have met that thinks as you do

I will just agree to disagree

Rome is Rome

The people of that future prince destroyed the city. I will leave it at that

If god meant Assyria. He would have said so
 

Rondonmon

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Your the only human in history I have met that thinks as you do

I will just agree to disagree

Rome is Rome

The people of that future prince destroyed the city. I will leave it at that

If god meant Assyria. He would have said so
Again, you are putting words in my mouth and I wish you would STOP IT !! I think you full well know I am not saying Assyria when I say he has Assyrian via his blood.

If a Prophecy stated a man born in Amercia would be the Anti-Christ but in another prophecy, it was stated he would have Mexican blood, could you not GRASP that either? It would mean that a man born in the United States had FAMILY (Mexicans) who migrated to the United States BEFORE he was born. Thus BOTH THINGS can be true. Likewise, a man whose Seed goes back to Assyria via his forefathers, will be born in Greece (Dan. 8:9) and come to power in the E.U. thus the Anti-Christ will have a bloodline that goes back to Assyria. he will be born in Greece, and he will be a European, Rome was Euro-Centric in nature, those ae his people, that is why 10 is used and not Rome. The 10 means Europe DIVIDED via many nations.
 
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Again, you are putting words in my mouth and I wish you would STOP IT !! I think you full well know I am not saying Assyria when I say he has Assyrian via his blood.

If a Prophecy stated a man born in Amercia would be the Anti-Christ but in another prophecy, it was stated he would have Mexican blood, could you not GRASP that either? It would mean that a man born in the United States had FAMILY (Mexicans) who migrated to the United States BEFORE he was born. Thus BOTH THINGS can be true. Likewise, a man whose Seed goes back to Assyria via his forefathers, will be born in Greece (Dan. 8:9) and come to power in the E.U. thus the Anti-Christ will have a bloodline that goes back to Assyria. he will be born in Greece, and he will be a European, Rome was Euro-Centric in nature, those ae his people, that is why 10 is used and not Rome. The 10 means Europe DIVIDED via many nations.
Again, Good day sir.

The passage you spoke of said Assyria.

You lost me when you arrogantly said I had a reading problem.

I don’t agree with you. I cant scripturally.

So there is no need for us to continue.
 

Rondonmon

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Again, Good day sir.

The passage you spoke of said Assyria.

You lost me when you arrogantly said I had a reading problem.

I don’t agree with you. I cant scripturally.

So there is no need for us to continue.
I will post t passages to prove you do not understand prophecy in full. And it is not arrogant to point out someone who can't understand simple points, these are not complex points, it is more than likely you are playing the "I DON'T UNDERSTAND GAME", so, me saying you had reading comprehension skills was me pointing out facetiously that the real problem is you are probably play-acting as if you didn't understand the point, especially after 5 or 6 attempts.

Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. 21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God. 22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness. 23 For the Lord God of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.

24 Therefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.

25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.26 And the Lord of hosts shall stir up a scourge for him according to the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb: and as his rod was upon the sea, so shall he lift it up after the manner of Egypt.27 And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing.

THE ASSYRIAN is not Assyria !! The below message can't even be argued, it shows Jesus who is born the Messiah in Bethlehem (700 years after the Assyrian Kingdom) as he brings the PEACE at the time this Assyrian comes against Israel(End Times not 700 years before he was even BORN), and since Jesus wasn't born in Bethlehem until 700 years after Assyria was a Kingdom, common sense has to prevail, THE ASSYRIAN that is spoken of here can only be a ruler after Jesus is born, but of course, you can't admit this because being RIGHT seems all-important, whereas I see Gods truth as the most important thing, because without God's truth we are led down rabbit holes by Satan.

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel(Jesus is the HE); whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

SO JESUS IS BORN !! Then the Peace is brought at the end times(NOT 700 YEARS before), the land of Assyria and the Land of Nimrod are euphemisms for an unknown name, but it's now called Iraq, Iran, and Turkey. Just like Gog and Magog is used by John in Revelation chapter 20, but it's not THE Gog and Magog wars spoken of by Ezekiel, because that happens just before or just after the 70th-week starts. So, John uses Gog and Magog just like Micah uses Assyria below, common sense tells us the Gog and Magog reference by John is not THE Gog and Magog wars because it happens 1000 years after THE Gog and Magog war. Likewise, the Assyrian reference in Michah happens AFTER Jesus' birth, Micah calls it the LAND OF Assyria and the LAND OF Nimrod, the use of the name Nimrod ought to clue you in, Nimrod was not alive when Assyria become a great Kingdom. Nimrod lived in 1750 BC, not 700 BC, so that reference alone should tell you it is a FUTURE EVENT pointing unto the LAND OF Nimrod and the LAND OF Assyria.

Michah 5:5 And this man(Jesus was the Messiah born in Bethlehem) shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.

6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian(Anti-Christ), when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.

7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the Lord, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.

Some people are not called unto Prophecy but they try to be something they are not called unto, a foot needs to be a foot, not a hand in the body of Christ, be what you are called unto. Obey God in all things. The below are more examples of Double Meaning Prophecies, misunderstood by many today or Prophesies tat cover two different tie periods, that confuse some people.

In Daniel 21-45 you have tee subsets of people, those who think it's all about the End Time Anti-Christ AND those who think it is all about Antiochus Epiphanes IV, and then you have those of us who understand the Prophesy 100 percent correctly, verses 21-33 maybe 34 are all about Antiochus, verse 35 is a "TRANSITION VERSE" and verses 36-45 and even Dan. 12:1-2 (there was no real chapter divides, men, added them, sometimes in the wrong places) is the coming Anti-Christ/Little Horn/End Time Beast. So, you have the exact same type of prophecy here as you have in Isaiah 10.

Likewise in Daniel chapter 8 we have a divergent prophecy in that Dan. 8:9 SWITCHES from the Dan. 8:1-8 prophecy of Alexander the Great and his Four Generals unto the END TIME Anti-Christ in verse 9.

A lot of people cant see it, even Pastor Jimmy Evans thinks Dan 8:9 is Antiochus, it's not. Gabriel reveals the dream later on in the chapter and calls this man an END TME Beast. God's ways are not our ways, to be sure, but He gives us references that if we will SLOW DOWN, we can grasp them very clearly.

In order for you to be correct, you have to have Jesus being born 700 years AFTER Assyria was a Kingdom, KEEPING the Peace 700 years BEFORE he was even born as a man. That doesn't even make sense, because it is not what the Prophesy means. It is referring to an END TIME EVENT, where after this man with Assyrian blood, who is born in Greece as Dan. 8:9 tells us AND who comes to power in Europe as Dan. 7:7-9 tells us will indeed come into the land and Conquer Jerusalem, by the way, Assyria never conquered Jerusalem. But all that aside, when Michah says that Jesus (in Micah 5:2) will ve the man that kees THE PEACE, that should e enough to tell you it did not happen 700 years before, it's an END TIME PROPHECY.

You can call it what you will, that matters nit unto me, my job is to get the truth unto the masses, even unto those with stiff necks. It's not that hard to understand the Assyrian is an En Time name for the Anti-Christ. Just because you have never heard of it diest change the facts brother.
 

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1) Gold related to Babylon


2) Silver related to Media and Persia


3) Copper related to Greece (if we can call it that way Alexander the Great being the king of the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedon)


4) Iron related to the Roman Empire


5) iron and clay related to a kingdom divided into two parts (strong and fragile)?


No one has written anything about?
 

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Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

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And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
 

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1) Gold related to Babylon


2) Silver related to Media and Persia


3) Copper related to Greece (if we can call it that way Alexander the Great being the king of the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedon)


4) Iron related to the Roman Empire


5) iron and clay related to a kingdom divided into two parts (strong and fragile)?


No one has written anything about?
Read Daniel 2 carefully, and noticing how the text counts (rather than describes) the kingdoms. There are only four.
 

JLG

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1) head = gold


2) chest and arms = silver


3) abdomen and thighs = copper


4) legs = irons


5) feet = iron and clay


Then a stone strikes the image on its feet of iron and clay and crushed them, not the legs. The Statue is divided into five parts and the fifth part is struck by the stone!

Now if you look at the different chapters there are more kings.
 

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1) Gold related to Babylon


2) Silver related to Media and Persia


3) Copper related to Greece (if we can call it that way Alexander the Great being the king of the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedon)


4) Iron related to the Roman Empire


5) iron and clay related to a kingdom divided into two parts (strong and fragile)?


No one has written anything about?
Hi JLG,

I actually did in post #39. Here again is my diagram.

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JLG

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My question is still the same can you explain why Islam is the fifth kingdom?
 

JLG

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In Daniel Chapter 7, we are told about four beasts or kingdoms (lion, bear, leopard with four heads, a fourth one different from the first three and it has ten horns which represent ten kings, and another horn , a small one, came up among them and at the same time three of the first horns are flucked up (This small horn is a king and it will humiliate three kings) . This small horn with eyes and a mouth will be in war with the holy ones but the holy ones will get the kingdom. So this small horn is a king or kingdom COMING FROM THE FOURTH ONE and he will speak against God and will harass the holy ones but then comes God's kingdom!