DANIEL STUDY

[oldhermit]

D. The dreadful beast, the most interesting of the four, 7

“After this, I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; It was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.”

This corresponds to the legs of iron and the feet of iron and clay in the image of chapter 2. What makes this beast diverse from the other three is that it is not like any beast represented by the animal kingdom; And unlike the other three, it is adorned with 10 horns.

1. Its strength is illustrated by the fact that this beast boasted teeth and claws of iron with which it devoured the other three kingdoms.

2. This beast was also adorned with ten horns.
Horns are a symbol of power, and the power of this beast was far greater than the power of the three previous beasts. The ten horns correspond to the ten tows of the image in chapter 2

Skip to verse 15

III. Meaning is Provided by the Angel, 15-28
What we are going to do at this point is skip to verses 15-28 and then we will come back and pick up verses 9-14 at the end next week.

A. Revealed interpretation = absolute meaning

“I, Daniel, was grieved in my spirit within my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. I came near to one of those who stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So, he told me and made known to me the interpretation of these things: ‘Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth. But the saints of the Most-High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever.’”

Notice, Daniel says, “he told me and made known to me the interpretation.” So, revealed interpretation = absolute meaning, and this was provided by the spokesman in the vision. This defies all human attempts of interpretation. There is no other possible meaning. Would that everyone (the millennial mind) could grasp this concept!

The interpretation given by the speaker is that four kingdoms would arise out of human history and that in the time of the last of these four kingdoms, the saints would receive the kingdom that we saw portrayed in the vision of the colossal image of chapter 2, and they would possess it forever.

 

[oldhermit]

Just have a little patience. I promise we will get to it.

 

[Truth7t7]

.THE KINGDOM COMING TO THE DAUGHTER OF JERUSALEM OR THE LORD RESTORING AGAIN THE KINGDOM TO ISRAEL RIGHT HERE ON EARTH.

DON'T BE DECEIVED, PEOPLE.

DON'T BE DECEIVED PEOPLE!

Micah Chapter 4 You Reference Is Nothing More Than Recitation Of Isaiah Chapter 2 Below.

You Suggest This To Be A Future Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Where Mortal Humans Are Present, (Wrong)

The Mountain Established That All Nations Flow To Is Mt Zion, In The (Eternal Kingdom) after the day of the Lord takes place.

Isaiah 2:12 (The Day Of The Lord) taking place upon earth

Isaiah 2:19 Men go into caves, holes, rocks, to hide from the Lord as the final earthquake takes place, Rev 6:12-17

Isaiah 2:22 Man's breath is taken away, as it was given in the beginning (The End)

Isaiah Chapter 2
1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the Lord.
6 Therefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob, because they be replenished from the east, and are soothsayers like the Philistines, and they please themselves in the children of strangers.
7 Their land also is full of silver and gold, neither is there any end of their treasures; their land is also full of horses, neither is there any end of their chariots:
8 Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:
9 And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself: therefore forgive them not.
10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty.
11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day.
12 For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,
14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,
15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall,
16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day.
18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ?

 

[Truth7t7]

Just have a little patience. I promise we will get to it.

You have (The Little Horn) mentioned, speaking pompous words, no explanation?

Who, what, when, where, historical or future?

Waiting?

 

[Nehemiah6]

The dream is an outline of the next 550 or so years of human history before it was to unfold.

Actually that dream takes one from the reign of Nebuchadnezzar to the eternal reign of Christ in His eternal Kingdom. Not just a small fraction of time.

And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a Kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the Kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. (Dan 2:44)

 

[oldhermit]

The fourth beast,19-28
1. The history of the Roman Empire.
Question: When did the Roman Empire begin?
What we have to understand if we are to properly index the historical structure of this is what period of Roman history this identifies.

The history of Rome was divided into four periods of rule – The period of the kings, the period of the Republic in which the senate ruled, and Imperial Rome which was ruled by an emperor.

EARLY RULERS OF THE ROMAN REPUBLIC
The Period of the Kings lasted only 115 years, 625-510 BC.
The first period in Roman history is known as the Period of Kings which lasted from Rome’s founding in 625 BC until 510 BC. During this time, Rome was led by no fewer than six kings. Politically, this period saw the early formation of the Roman constitution. The end of the Kings came with the decline of Etruscan power, thus ushering in Rome’s Republican Period.

REPUBLICAN ROME LASTED 479 YEARS, 510-31 BC.
This period saw the rise and fall of 10 magistrates that were elected from the senate, but the power rested with the Senate, not the magistrate. These also served as commanders in chief of the army.

 Cato the Elder,

 Gracchi

 Caius Marius

 Lucius Cornelius Sulla – dictator pro tempore

 Pompey

 Marcus Licinius Crassus

 Cato the Younger

 Julius Caesar – Dictator for life

 Marc Antony, Lepidus, and Octavian (Augustus) – These three formed the second triumvirate.


The Roman Empire: A Brief History
https://www.mpm.edu/research-collec...erranean-oil-lamps/roman-empire-brief-history

“No longer ruled by kings, the Romans established a new form of government whereby the upper classes ruled, namely the senators and the knights. However, a dictator could be nominated in times of crisis. In 451 BC, the Romans established the “Twelve Tables” which was a standardized code of laws meant for public, private, and political matters.

Rome continued to expand through the Republican Period and gained control over the entire Italian peninsula by 338 BC. It was the Punic Wars from 264-146 BC, along with some conflicts with Greece, that allowed Rome to take control of Carthage and Corinth, thus becoming the dominant maritime power in the Mediterranean.

Soon after, Rome’s political atmosphere pushed the Republic into a period of chaos and civil war. This led to the election of a dictator – Cornelius Sulla, who served from 82-80 BC. Following Sulla’s resignation in 79 BC, the Republic returned to a state of unrest. [Even though] Rome continued to be governed as a Republic for another 50 years, the shift to imperialism again began to materialize in 60 BC when Julius Caesar rose to power.

Although the Senate was still Rome’s governing body, its power was weakening but was still strong enough to deny Julius Caesar’s request to be granted the title of Emperor. [Instead, the senate bestowed upon him the title of Dictator Perpetus]. Julius Caesar was assassinated in 44 BC and replaced by his heir, Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus (Octavian).”

IMPERIAL ROME LASTED 507 YEARS, 31 BC – 476 AD.
The western empire fell in 476 A.D when Odoacer, the Germanic king, deposed Romulus Augustulus. Rome’s eastern empire came to be known as the Byzantine Empire which lasted until the Islam nations defeated Constantinople in 1453 AD. Over all, Rome lasted 1,070 years from the time of Romulus in 625 BC to Romulus Augustulus in 476 A D,

In 31 BC, Octavian became dictator while Rome was still a Republic. In 44 BC, following the death of Julius Caesar, Rome found itself in a civil war struggle for power. Rather than fighting one another, Octavian, Lepidus, and Mark Antony decided to form the second triumvirate. They divided Rome into three parts. Octavian would rule the West, Antony would rule the East and Lepidus would rule Africa. Eventually, Lepidus was forced out by Octavian on the pretext of treason and Mark Antony committed suicide leaving Octavian as the sole ruler of Rome. Following his victory over Egypt in 31 BC, Octavian assumed the title of Augustus and in 27 BC, he was appointed by the Senate as the first emperor of an Imperial Rome.

2. The power of the dreadful beast
“After this, I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; It was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it….”

The power of the beast is represented by the ten horns of the beast – “and it had ten horns.” Following the consecutive line of kingdoms of Daniel’s visions, there is no question that historically, Rome was the fourth kingdom of those visions and the ten horns are ten imperial rulers of the fourth kingdom.

3. The other horn
“I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots.”

This is an eleventh horn, or king that is represented as separate from the other ten.

4. The eyes and mouth of the little horn
“And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.”

As a symbol, the use of eyes in scripture can refer to many things. It can suggest all seeing, ceaseless vigilance, wisdom, intellect, insight, understanding, and color or brilliance. Nine times in the Old Testament the Hebrew word 'ayin, “eye,” is used to represent the idea of color or brilliance (Ezekiel 1:4, 7, 16, 22, 27; 8:2; 10:9, Daniel 10:6, and Proverbs 23:31. This may suggest that “full of eyes,” refers to their appearance as being one of shining brilliance. As it relates to the little horn it may represent intellectual shrewdness, certainly to a degree that is superior to the three which were rooted up. But, the phrase “eyes of a man” is used in conjunction with the speaking of “pompous words.” This may then suggest that this little horn viewed things only through the lens of human understanding as opposed to the saints he was persecuting who saw things through the eyes of revealed knowledge. The persecution of the saints is the result of a mind that rejects revealed knowledge because he sees reality through the eyes of a man.

 

[Truth7t7]

Actually that dream takes one from the reign of Nebuchadnezzar to the eternal reign of Christ in His eternal Kingdom. Not just a small fraction of time.

And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a Kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the Kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. (Dan 2:44)

I fully agree, Daniel 2:44 is the (Eternal Kingdom) in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem.

 

[oldhermit]

5. Contemplation of the vision
“Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet; and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows. I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most-High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.”

6. The revealed explanation of what Daniel saw.
“Thus, he said: ‘The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all other kingdoms, (This says this beast is different from the other KINGDOMS, not the horns.) and shall devour the whole earth, trample it, and break it in pieces. The ten horns are ten kings who shall arise from this kingdom. And another (horn) shall rise after them (After the ten.); He shall be different from the first ones, and shall subdue three kings. He shall speak pompous words against the Most-High, shall persecute the saints of the Most-High, and shall intend to change times and law. (???) Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time.”

"But the court shall be seated, (God is sitting in judgment on this horn), and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and destroy it forever. (His line would not continue.) Then the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most-High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’”

a. The fourth beast was the fourth earthly kingdom of this sequence.

b. The ten horns were ten kings of THAT kingdom.

c. The eleventh horn was be different from the other horns. (In a number of ways.)

d. Three kings were subdued before him.

e. He was be pompous against the Almighty.

f. He was a persecutor of the saints.

g. God ended the reign and the line of the pompous horn.

 

[Truth7t7]

The fourth beast,19-28
1. The history of the Roman Empire.
Question: When did the Roman Empire begin?
What we have to understand if we are to properly index the historical structure of this is what period of Roman history this identifies.

The history of Rome was divided into four periods of rule – The period of the kings, the period of the Republic in which the senate ruled, and Imperial Rome which was ruled by an emperor.

EARLY RULERS OF THE ROMAN REPUBLIC
The Period of the Kings lasted only 115 years, 625-510 BC.
The first period in Roman history is known as the Period of Kings which lasted from Rome’s founding in 625 BC until 510 BC. During this time, Rome was led by no fewer than six kings. Politically, this period saw the early formation of the Roman constitution. The end of the Kings came with the decline of Etruscan power, thus ushering in Rome’s Republican Period.

REPUBLICAN ROME LASTED 479 YEARS, 510-31 BC.
This period saw the rise and fall of 10 magistrates that were elected from the senate, but the power rested with the Senate, not the magistrate. These also served as commanders in chief of the army.

 Cato the Elder,

 Gracchi

 Caius Marius

 Lucius Cornelius Sulla – dictator pro tempore

 Pompey

 Marcus Licinius Crassus

 Cato the Younger

 Julius Caesar – Dictator for life

 Marc Antony, Lepidus, and Octavian (Augustus) – These three formed the second triumvirate.


The Roman Empire: A Brief History
https://www.mpm.edu/research-collec...erranean-oil-lamps/roman-empire-brief-history

“No longer ruled by kings, the Romans established a new form of government whereby the upper classes ruled, namely the senators and the knights. However, a dictator could be nominated in times of crisis. In 451 BC, the Romans established the “Twelve Tables” which was a standardized code of laws meant for public, private, and political matters.

Rome continued to expand through the Republican Period and gained control over the entire Italian peninsula by 338 BC. It was the Punic Wars from 264-146 BC, along with some conflicts with Greece, that allowed Rome to take control of Carthage and Corinth, thus becoming the dominant maritime power in the Mediterranean.

Soon after, Rome’s political atmosphere pushed the Republic into a period of chaos and civil war. This led to the election of a dictator – Cornelius Sulla, who served from 82-80 BC. Following Sulla’s resignation in 79 BC, the Republic returned to a state of unrest. [Even though] Rome continued to be governed as a Republic for another 50 years, the shift to imperialism again began to materialize in 60 BC when Julius Caesar rose to power.

Although the Senate was still Rome’s governing body, its power was weakening but was still strong enough to deny Julius Caesar’s request to be granted the title of Emperor. [Instead, the senate bestowed upon him the title of Dictator Perpetus]. Julius Caesar was assassinated in 44 BC and replaced by his heir, Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus (Octavian).”

IMPERIAL ROME LASTED 507 YEARS, 31 BC – 476 AD.
The western empire fell in 476 A.D when Odoacer, the Germanic king, deposed Romulus Augustulus. Rome’s eastern empire came to be known as the Byzantine Empire which lasted until the Islam nations defeated Constantinople in 1453 AD. Over all, Rome lasted 1,070 years from the time of Romulus in 625 BC to Romulus Augustulus in 476 A D,

In 31 BC, Octavian became dictator while Rome was still a Republic. In 44 BC, following the death of Julius Caesar, Rome found itself in a civil war struggle for power. Rather than fighting one another, Octavian, Lepidus, and Mark Antony decided to form the second triumvirate. They divided Rome into three parts. Octavian would rule the West, Antony would rule the East and Lepidus would rule Africa. Eventually, Lepidus was forced out by Octavian on the pretext of treason and Mark Antony committed suicide leaving Octavian as the sole ruler of Rome. Following his victory over Egypt in 31 BC, Octavian assumed the title of Augustus and in 27 BC, he was appointed by the Senate as the first emperor of an Imperial Rome.

2. The power of the dreadful beast
“After this, I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; It was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it….”

The power of the beast is represented by the ten horns of the beast – “and it had ten horns.” Following the consecutive line of kingdoms of Daniel’s visions, there is no question that historically, Rome was the fourth kingdom of those visions and the ten horns are ten imperial rulers of the fourth kingdom.

3. The other horn
“I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots.”

This is an eleventh horn, or king that is represented as separate from the other ten.

4. The eyes and mouth of the little horn
“And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.”

As a symbol, the use of eyes in scripture can refer to many things. It can suggest all seeing, ceaseless vigilance, wisdom, intellect, insight, understanding, and color or brilliance. Nine times in the Old Testament the Hebrew word 'ayin, “eye,” is used to represent the idea of color or brilliance (Ezekiel 1:4, 7, 16, 22, 27; 8:2; 10:9, Daniel 10:6, and Proverbs 23:31. This may suggest that “full of eyes,” refers to their appearance as being one of shining brilliance. As it relates to the little horn it may represent intellectual shrewdness, certainly to a degree that is superior to the three which were rooted up. But, the phrase “eyes of a man” is used in conjunction with the speaking of “pompous words.” This may then suggest that this little horn viewed things only through the lens of human understanding as opposed to the saints he was persecuting who saw things through the eyes of revealed knowledge. The persecution of the saints is the result of a mind that rejects revealed knowledge because he sees reality through the eyes of a man.

You have (The Little Horn) mentioned "Again", speaking pompous words, no explanation of Who, what, when, where, historical or future?

Waiting?

 

[oldhermit]

You have (The Little Horn) mentioned "Again", speaking pompous words, no explanation of Who, what, when, where, historical or future?

Waiting?

Patience.

 

[Truth7t7]

5. Contemplation of the vision
“Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet; and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows. I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most-High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.”

6. The revealed explanation of what Daniel saw.
“Thus, he said: ‘The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all other kingdoms, (This says this beast is different from the other KINGDOMS, not the horns.) and shall devour the whole earth, trample it, and break it in pieces. The ten horns are ten kings who shall arise from this kingdom. And another (horn) shall rise after them (After the ten.); He shall be different from the first ones, and shall subdue three kings. He shall speak pompous words against the Most-High, shall persecute the saints of the Most-High, and shall intend to change times and law. (???) Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time.”

"But the court shall be seated, (God is sitting in judgment on this horn), and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and destroy it forever. (His line would not continue.) Then the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most-High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’”

a. The fourth beast was the fourth earthly kingdom of this sequence.

b. The ten horns were ten kings of THAT kingdom.

c. The eleventh horn was be different from the other horns. (In a number of ways.)

d. Three kings were subdued before him.

e. He was be pompous against the Almighty.

f. He was a persecutor of the saints.

g. God ended the reign and the line of the pompous horn.

You have (The Little Horn) mentioned "Again", speaking pompous words, no explanation of Who, what, when, where, historical or future?

Waiting?

 

[Live4Him]

DON'T BE DECEIVED PEOPLE!

They won't be...as long as they don't listen to any of your nonsense.

Micah Chapter 4 You Reference Is Nothing More Than Recitation Of Isaiah Chapter 2 Below.

Wrong.

It's more than just a recitation of Isaiah chapter 2 in that it includes the part about the kingdom being restored to Israel (Acts 1:6).

Here it is, again:

"And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem." (Micah 4:8)

Of course, you conveniently didn't mention that part because it clearly shows you to be in error.

You Suggest This To Be A Future Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Where Mortal Humans Are Present, (Wrong)

...and then you go on to show how everything transpiring in Isaiah chapter 2 is taking place RIGHT HERE ON EARTH.

You're pretty amusing, but your error isn't.

The Mountain Established That All Nations Flow To Is Mt Zion, In The (Eternal Kingdom) after the day of the Lord takes place.

Isaiah 2:12 (The Day Of The Lord) taking place upon earth
Isaiah 2:19 Men go into caves, holes, rocks, to hide from the Lord as the final earthquake takes place, Rev 6:12-17

See what I mean?

Isaiah 2:22 Man's breath is taken away, as it was given in the beginning (The End)

This verse says nothing about man's breath being taken away. Instead, it's an admonition for God to cease from man whose breath is in his nostrils.

Isaiah Chapter 2
1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the Lord.
6 Therefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob, because they be replenished from the east, and are soothsayers like the Philistines, and they please themselves in the children of strangers.
7 Their land also is full of silver and gold, neither is there any end of their treasures; their land is also full of horses, neither is there any end of their chariots:
8 Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:
9 And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself: therefore forgive them not.
10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty.
11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day.
12 For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,
14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,
15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall,
16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day.
18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ?

And this all transpires RIGHT HERE ON EARTH, so thanks for proving my point...not that I need your unintended help.

 

[oldhermit]

B. Daniel and John represent the same dream from two different vantage points.

The difference between Daniel and John in their experience with this vision is that Daniel was living in the time of the beginning of these events (he had this vision in the time of Belshazzar) and everything he saw concerned events that were still future to the time of Daniel.

When John saw this same vision, he was living in the time of the close of these events. Most of the things seen by Daniel had by John’s time, become part of history. When John saw this vision in Revelation 13 and 17, he saw ten horns just as Daniel did, but John’s vision only focused on seven of the horns. Unlike Daniel, John identifies these seven horns, not by name but by a temporal context.

“The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.”

The vision of the dreadful beast of Daniel seven is difficult to understand in relation to human history. Perhaps one of the reasons it is so difficult to put together is because the text of Daniel does not give us a definitive starting point to identify the horns of the beast.

I have read commentary after commentary on Daniel 7 which only served to strengthen my disdain for commentaries. I have poured over countless papers written by everyone from PhD's to lay ministers and everyone in between. It seems everyone out there has an opinion on these verses and no one's opinions seem to agree with that of anyone else. There are as many different views of the ten horns as there are people who have tried to explain them. Even preterist writers do not seem to be able to agree with one another. Some even attempt to force the papacy into the interpretation of these symbols; needless to say, this does not even begin to work.

Most of what you will find out there on the book of Daniel is from the millennial camp that views Daniel’s prophesies strictly from the futurist perspective which I dismiss. Millennial theories of whatever kind, are nothing more than excursions into the fantastic with some even bordering on the absurd, and so many millennial expositors disagree concerning the meaning of the symbols.

The difference between the historical view and the futurist view is that “the historical view actually promotes historical understanding against which prophecies can be examined. Futurism attempts to force fanciful projections onto prophecies and projects them into a future that cannot be confirmed or examined against anything. One is based on the historical witness while the other is based on seemingly limitless human imagination” (HeRoseFromTheDead) as if prophecy were somehow subject to human definition, interpretation, and application.

In order to try to put this vision into some form of credible historical context, (indeed, this vision does establish an historical framework of events), I would like to present two possibilities for a plausible point of reference from which to begin. Rather than attempting to force the text to conform to speculative events that have not yet happened (which is what everybody and his brother seems bent on tries doing), let us see how history conforms to the text. We have to follow the construction of the vision as it appears in the text. With that, let us begin with Revelation 17:9-11.

 

[Truth7t7]

They won't be...as long as they don't listen to any of your nonsense.

Wrong.

It's more than just a recitation of Isaiah chapter 2 in that it includes the part about the kingdom being restored to Israel (Acts 1:6).

Here it is, again:

"And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem." (Micah 4:8)

Of course, you conveniently didn't mention that part because it clearly shows you to be in error.


...and then you go on to show how everything transpiring in Isaiah chapter 2 is taking place RIGHT HERE ON EARTH.

You're pretty amusing, but your error isn't.


See what I mean?

This verse says nothing about man's breath being taken away. Instead, it's an admonition for God to cease from man whose breath is in his nostrils.

And this all transpires RIGHT HERE ON EARTH, so thanks for proving my point...not that I need your unintended help.

Micah Chapter 4 and Isaiah Chapter 2 below is the exact same event, description, and teaching presented, your claim is false and dishonest that they arent.

You forgot to respond to Isaiah 2:12, and (The Day Of The Lord) taking place (The End) convenient disregard to maintain your false teaching of a Millennial Kingdom on earth, with mortal humans present

You conveniently disregard Isaiah 2:19 men going into caves, rocks, hiding from the Lords judgement, as the great earthquake takes place, also seen in Rev 6:12-17

Yes Isaiah 2:22 is the time when man's breath is taken from his nostrils (The End)

Micah 4:1-3KJV
1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Isaiah 2:1-4KJV
1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

(The Day Of The Lord)

Isaiah 2:12KJV
12 For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Isaiah 34:1-10KJV
1 Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
2 For the indignation of the Lord is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
6 The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.
7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.
10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.

 

[oldhermit]

John appears to be seeing elements of this vision that Daniel did not record. You have to remember that Daniel 7:2 tells us that Daniel only summarized the vision and did not record all that he had seen. In Revelation 13 and 17, John appears to be seeing only the succession of the first eight emperors and his own place in the timeline of those emperors. So, unlike Daniel, John provide a temporal index from which to identify the horns. Daniel seems to focus more on Domitian and the second persecution. Daniel mentions nothing about “the eighth” horn, nor does he mention the ninth and tenth horns, though he does confirm there were ten horns.

1. Here is what John saw in Revelation 17:9-11
“The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. (The woman is Jerusalem and the seven mountains are Rome.) There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, (this establishes the temporal context) and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.”

What John is confirming is that five of Daniel’s horns / kings have now come and gone, that he himself was living in the time of the sixth horn, and that two more would quickly follow.

Questions: Who are these seven kings and who was the first? βασιλεῖς typically means king, ruler, or sovereign, but as Strong’s says, in some passages it is clearly to be translated as emperor. So, what are the possibilities and where do we begin?

a. First possibility
If we begin with Julius Caesar as the first horn or king as many expositors suggest, then the five who were fallen would be:

 Julius Caesar 49 BC – 44 BC

 (The second Triumvirate consisting of Augustus, Lepidus, and Mark Antony.) Thus, one could argue that the reign of Augustus actually began in 44 BC as the dominate member of the triumvirate.

 Augustus, 31 BC-14 A.D.

 Tiberius, 14-37

 Caligula, 37-41

 Claudius, 41-54
Claudius would have been the fifth who was fallen if we begin counting from Julius Caesar. This would mean that the one who “now is” was Nero. Galba would be the one who had not yet come, and when he comes, he must continue a short time.” The eighth would be Otho, the one that “was and is not.” Does this work? Perhaps, but it does not correspond very well to the three who are rooted up in Daniel 7:8.

b. A more plausible possibility
If we begin with Augustus then the five who were fallen would be:

 Augustus, 31 BC-14 A.D. This makes much more sense because he was the first emperor, not Julius Caesar.

 Tiberius, 14-37

 Caligula, 37-41

 Claudius, 41-54

 Nero, 54-68
These five rulers were dead and gone when John received this vision. If this is correct, this means that Galba was the one who “now is.” He would be the emperor in power when John saw this vision. John saw this vision during the time of the first horn to be rooted up. Otho would then be the one who had not yet come, “and when he comes, he must continue a short time.” This certainly fits because Otho had the shortest reign of any Roman Emperor. The eighth would have been Vitellius.

Question – how is Vitellius the eighth yet “of the seven”??? Admittedly, I have no idea!

c. John also saw something else in Revelation 13.

 He saw that the beast received a mortal wound on one of its heads.

 He also saw that the wound had become healed.

The wound corresponds to the rooting up of the three horns of Daniel 7; and as we will see in a moment, the reign of Emperor Vespasian was the healing of the mortal wound of this beast.

2. Here is what Daniel saw.
“I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots.”

a. Daniel saw ten horns just like John.

b. Unlike John, Daniel saw three horns that would be rooted up, but he does not speak of the eighth. Remember, both John and Daniel are following a line of ascension in these horns. Following the line of ascension, the three who were rooted up can only be:

 Galba, AD 68-69 – When John saw this vision, Galba was the reigning Emperor. He is the one who “now is” and only reigned for 7 months. This means that John saw this vision sometime between June of 68 and January of 69.

 Otho, AD 69 was the one who has not yet come who would “continue a short time.” Revelation 17:9-10. This was certainly true because he only reigned for about three months from January–April, 16th. This was the shortest reign of any Roman Emperor.

 Vitellius, AD 69 was the one “who was and is not.” Quite a fitting description since he only reigned 5 ½ months from July, 1 to December, 20. I suppose this would be comparable to saying, “he was there and gone.” This is how one might describe a wisp of smoke; it was there and then it wasn’t. This fits very well with the three who were rooted up in Daniel 7:8.

These three ruled for a total time of about a year and a half during which time Rome was in a state of chaos and it looked as if the Empire was about to collapse from civil war. This was the wound on the head of the great beast in Revelation 13.

 Vespasian, AD 69-79, “who is also an eighth” mentioned by John, was the healing of the wound on the head of the beast in Revelation 13:3. During the reign of Vespasian, Rome began to stabilize and become powerful again. It is also important to note that Vespasian was not a persecutor of the Church.

 Titus Flavius (son of Vespasian), AD 79-81. He was the last of the ten horns seen by John but is not singled out as are the others. Titus Flavius was also not a persecutor of the Church. There is no direct mention of Titus Flavius by either Daniel or John. He was merely one of the ten horns.

 The Little Horn
“And another (horn) shall rise after them.” That is, after the ten. This can be no one but Domitian, AD 81-96 (also son of Vespasian), AD 81-96. He was the eleventh emperor of Rome."

“He shall speak pompous words against the Most-High, shall persecute the saints of the Most-High, and shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time.” (25).

 “Speak pompous words against the Most-High.”
The deification of Emperors was nothing new. Even Augustus declared himself to be CAESAR DIVI FILIUS, “son of god” (said to be Zeus incarnate). Nero was said to have been Apollo incarnate. Caligula was the first emperor to demand to be worshiped demanding that citizens everywhere bow to his statue. It was common practice for Caesars to be deified after their death but, Domitian insisted upon deifying himself while he was still living. He saw himself as absolute ruler and declared himself dominus et deus, “lord god."

 This horn would be a persecutor of the saints for “a time and times and half a time.” Domitian only reigned five years. According to Tertullian, (Apology of Tertullian chapter V). Domitian eventually ceased his persecution of Christians and even recalled some of the Christians whom he had exiled. It is doubtful this was in any way an act of remorse on Domitian’s part. It may have simply been that Domitian believed persecuting Christians was not politically advantageous. But for whatever reason, his persecutions ceased. So, according to Daniel, this horn would persecute the saints for a limited time of 3 ½ years of his five-year reign.

Five times in Revelation, John speaks of a specific period of time and the things that are connected to it speaking of it in four different terms – “a time and times and half a time,” 3 ½ years, 1260 days, and 42 months. All of these relate to the same period of linier time, Revelation 11:2 and 3, 12:6 and 14, and 13:5.

 He would “intend to change times and law.”
I am sure I do not understand all that is implied in this statement, but one thing Domitian did that relates to the idea of changing law was that when he became emperor, he dissolved the power of the Senate and had some senators executed and others exiled. All power and authority now rested solely with the emperor.


3. Thee end of the pompous horn’s reign.
“But the court shall be seated, (God is sitting in judgment on this horn), and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and destroy it forever. Then the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most-High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’”

When Domitian died, Nerva became emperor and reigned for two years. Since he was not a persecutor of Christians, the Church was able to enjoy a 3 ½ year respite from Roman persecution until the reign of Trajan in 98 AD. Trajan began the third persecution.

 

[Truth7t7]

B. Daniel and John represent the same dream from two different vantage points.

The difference between Daniel and John in their experience with this vision is that Daniel was living in the time of the beginning of these events (he had this vision in the time of Belshazzar) and everything he saw concerned events that were still future to the time of Daniel.

When John saw this same vision, he was living in the time of the close of these events. Most of the things seen by Daniel had by John’s time, become part of history. When John saw this vision in Revelation 13 and 17, he saw ten horns just as Daniel did, but John’s vision only focused on seven of the horns. Unlike Daniel, John identifies these seven horns, not by name but by a temporal context.

“The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.”

The vision of the dreadful beast of Daniel seven is difficult to understand in relation to human history. Perhaps one of the reasons it is so difficult to put together is because the text of Daniel does not give us a definitive starting point to identify the horns of the beast.

I have read commentary after commentary on Daniel 7 which only served to strengthen my disdain for commentaries. I have poured over countless papers written by everyone from PhD's to lay ministers and everyone in between. It seems everyone out there has an opinion on these verses and no one's opinions seem to agree with that of anyone else. There are as many different views of the ten horns as there are people who have tried to explain them. Even preterist writers do not seem to be able to agree with one another. Some even attempt to force the papacy into the interpretation of these symbols; needless to say, this does not even begin to work.

Most of what you will find out there on the book of Daniel is from the millennial camp that views Daniel’s prophesies strictly from the futurist perspective which I dismiss. Millennial theories of whatever kind, are nothing more than excursions into the fantastic with some even bordering on the absurd, and so many millennial expositors disagree concerning the meaning of the symbols.

The difference between the historical view and the futurist view is that “the historical view actually promotes historical understanding against which prophecies can be examined. Futurism attempts to force fanciful projections onto prophecies and projects them into a future that cannot be confirmed or examined against anything. One is based on the historical witness while the other is based on seemingly limitless human imagination” (HeRoseFromTheDead) as if prophecy were somehow subject to human definition, interpretation, and application.

In order to try to put this vision into some form of credible historical context, (indeed, this vision does establish an historical framework of events), I would like to present two possibilities for a plausible point of reference from which to begin. Rather than attempting to force the text to conform to speculative events that have not yet happened (which is what everybody and his brother seems bent on tries doing), let us see how history conforms to the text. We have to follow the construction of the vision as it appears in the text. With that, let us begin with Revelation 17:9-11.

You have (The Little Horn) mentioned speaking pompous words, no explanation of who, what, when, where, historical or future?

Waiting, Waiting, Waiting?

Your claim that John didnt focus or comment on the 10 horns is false, they are mentioned 6 times in Revelation, with Rev 17:12 below explaining them clearly

John saw 7 heads, that represent 7 mountains/hills

It clearly teaches that the 10 horns are 10 kings that have no Kingdom, that receive their Kingdom power (Quickly) in one hour with (The Beast) plain, clear, simple.

Revelation 17:12KJV
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

 

[oldhermit]

You have (The Little Horn) mentioned speaking pompous words, no explanation of who, what, when, where, historical or future?

Waiting, Waiting, Waiting?

Your claim that John didnt focus or comment on the 10 horns is false, they are mentioned 6 times in Revelation, with Rev 17:12 below explaining them clearly

It clearly teaches that the 10 horns are 10 kings that have no Kingdom, that receive their Kingdom power (Quickly) in one hour with (The Beast) plain, clear, simple.

Revelation 17:12KJV
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

At present, I am only looking at John's mention of the horns in chapter 13.

 

[Truth7t7]

1. Here is what John saw in Revelation 17:9-11
“The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. (The woman is Jerusalem and the seven mountains are Rome.)

I Strongly Disagree That The 7 Mountains Represent Rome As You Claim.

The 7 Mountains Represent Jerusalem, That Sits On 7 Hills.

I Agree The Woman Represents Jerusalem, The Great City Where Jesus Christ Was Crucified.

(Jerusalem) is the whore, mystery Babylon the great.

(Jerusalem) is the seven hilled city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

Revelation 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

Revelation 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Matthew 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

 

[oldhermit]

If the seven heads represent the beast of Daniel 7, and the seven heads are seven mountains, and the seven mountains are seven kings, then the seven mountains upon which the woman sits is Rome.

If A=B and B=C, then C=A

“The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. (The woman is Jerusalem and the seven mountains are Rome.) There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, (this establishes the temporal context) and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.”

 

[Live4Him]

Micah Chapter 4 and Isaiah Chapter 2 below is the exact same event, description, and teaching presented, your claim is false and dishonest that they arent.

You forgot to respond to Isaiah 2:12, and (The Day Of The Lord) taking place (The End) convenient disregard to maintain your false teaching of a Millennial Kingdom on earth, with mortal humans present

You conveniently disregard Isaiah 2:19 men going into caves, rocks, hiding from the Lords judgement, as the great earthquake takes place, also seen in Rev 6:12-17

Yes Isaiah 2:22 is the time when man's breath is taken from his nostrils (The End)

Micah 4:1-3KJV
1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Isaiah 2:1-4KJV
1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

(The Day Of The Lord)

Isaiah 2:12KJV
12 For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Isaiah 34:1-10KJV
1 Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
2 For the indignation of the Lord is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
6 The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.
7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.
10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.

And, as expected, you conveniently left out Micah 4:8.

I'm through wasting time with you.

Continue on in your error if you so desire, but know that God is watching, and listening, and that a day of reckoning is coming.