DANIEL STUDY
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I strongly (Disagree) with your claim of Domitian, AD 81-96 being (The Little Horn) seen below in Daniel 7:8-11KJV
As clearly seen below, (The Little Horn) will be alive till the second coming and final judgement, in perfect agreement with Daniel 9:27 he will make Jerusalem desolate to the Consummation (The End)
As is clearly taught in scripture, Daniel's (Little Horn) and John's (The Beast) are the same future human man speaking blasphemy, that will be alive at the second coming and final judgement, and thrown into the Lake of Fire
Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
As clearly seen below, (The Little Horn) will be alive till the second coming and final judgement, in perfect agreement with Daniel 9:27 he will make Jerusalem desolate to the Consummation (The End)
As is clearly taught in scripture, Daniel's (Little Horn) and John's (The Beast) are the same future human man speaking blasphemy, that will be alive at the second coming and final judgement, and thrown into the Lake of Fire
Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
No disrespect, but if you plan on presenting a point of view from commentaries, and no disagreement is allowed in conversation, it appears you will have few interested in your Daniel Study.
Rome isnt the 7 hills, and Domitian isnt the (Little Horn) seen in Daniel, no discussion?
The (Little Horn) is the (Future) Antichrist/The Beast in Revelation, your claim that Domitian fulfilled this in 81-96AD is (Preterism) I strongly disagree.
Rome isnt the 7 hills, and Domitian isnt the (Little Horn) seen in Daniel, no discussion?
The (Little Horn) is the (Future) Antichrist/The Beast in Revelation, your claim that Domitian fulfilled this in 81-96AD is (Preterism) I strongly disagree.
IV. Vision of the Ancient of Days, 9-14
“I watched till thrones were put in place, and the Ancient of Days was seated; His garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head was like pure wool. His throne was a fiery flame, its wheels a burning fire; A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him. A thousand thousands ministered to Him; Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him. The court was seated, and the books were opened.”
A. The throne room scene, 9-10
A lot of imagery and symbolism here. One must remember that the ONLY place to find meaning for revealed symbols is in scripture.
1. “Thrones were put in place.”
This scene seems to be equivalent to that of Revelation 1 where the elders are said to occupy 24 thrones. These are thrones of victory, not judgment, because they had overcome the beast as is represented in Revelation 3:21; “To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” It may be that in Daniel 7, the thrones are reserved for the saints who had overcome the beast, although here, the number of thrones is unspecified. Judgment, of course, would come not from these, but from the Ancient of Days.
This certainly seems in keeping with the prophesy of Enoch recorded in Jude 14-15, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment on all….” The righteous are depicted as part of the divine entourage that accompanies the Almighty in his judgment of the nations.
2. “One Ancient in Days was seated.” Literally, “an old man was seated.”
Daniel 7 is the only place in scripture we find the expression “The Ancient of Days” and Daniel uses it three time in this chapter.
Ellicott says that the attribute of age expresses the majesty of the judge. This would certainly be in keeping with Semitic and Oriental ideas. God reveals himself in this vision in a form that is comprehensible to the human mind.
The overall presentation of this part of Daniel’s vision is the same type of imagery we find in the throne room scene of Ezekiel 1 where the imagery is much more vivid and elaborate. Unlike Daniel however, Ezekiel does not give us a description of the one who is on the throne. Ezekiel’s focus is directed to the four living creature that attend the throne.
3. “Garment white as snow.” This represents the purity and moral integrity of the one who occupies the throne.
4. “Hair of His head was like pure wool.” This is a representation of color, not texture. It suggests wisdom, discretion, and righteous judgment, as in the throne room scenes of Revelation 1:14. “His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow.”
5. “His throne was a fiery flame, its wheels a burning fire;”
a. The throne of fiery flame describes a triumphal chariot.
b. The wheels of burning fire describe the four living creatures who attend throne of God. This is the same imagery used in Ezekiel 1 and Revelation 4:6-9. This seems to be a description of the four archangels.
“Before the throne there was a sea of glass, like crystal. And in the midst of the throne, and around the throne, were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back. The first living creature was like a lion, the second living creature like a calf, the third living creature had a face like a man, and the fourth living creature was like a flying eagle. The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying: ‘Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!’ Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever.”
6. “A thousand thousands ministered to Him.” The angelic hosts – the bailiffs who carry out the judgments of the court.
7. “A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him.”
Ezekiel 1:4 says, “…a great cloud with raging fire engulfing itself; and brightness was all around it and radiating out of its midst like the color of amber, out of the midst of the fire.”
This imagery is seen in many places in scripture, and as a symbol, fire can signify a number of things. For example:
a. Sometimes it is a metaphor for affliction as in 1 Corinthians 3:13.
b. Elsewhere it represents the indignation of God which devours those who oppose him, Hebrews 10:27; Revelation 19:11-12.
c. Since this is a picture of judgment, it would seem to impress upon us the wrath of God against those who oppress the saints. “They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.” Revelation 20:9.
8. “Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.” 10,000 squared is actually 100,000,000. The number is not to be regarded as literal but as a representation of all the accused of all the nations. This seems to be the metaphoric use of any number in prophetic literature that is a multiple of 10.
9. “The court was seated, and the books were opened.”
Understand, this is not a depiction of the end of all things. This is not a description of the second coming of Christ. The judgment of this vision is that of the dreadful beast of verses 7-8.
We are not here given the nature of the books, but this same imagery is also witnessed by John in Revelation 20:11-15 to depict the final judgment.
“Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small (These dead are those who are dead spiritually. Even after the resurrection, these are still regarded as dead. These are the damned.), standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. (The books are depicted by John as a record of their conduct which is weighed against the word of God and sentence is passed). And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them (Both the natural grave and the Hadean realm surrender their dead. This is the resurrection of both body and soul); and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds (The saved are not part of this assembly. The saints have already received their judgment in verses 4-6). Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire (Death and Hades are merely temporary things that fulfill a temporary function. After the resurrection, that need no longer exists so, there is no more use for death and hades, consequently, they are deposited into the lake of fire – an eternal state, whatever that represents, along with all the other spiritual refuse). This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”
No one of this crowd was found written in the book of life. These are the “dead,” they are the damned, those who are separated from God. The books are depicted by John as a record of their conduct which is weighed against the word of God and sentence is passed. It would seem the books of Daniel 7 must be understood in the same way.
B. Judgment of the pompous horn, 11-12
"I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.”
1. The beast is slain – a specific nation – Rome, whose power was brought to an end just as the beasts who came before it. This imagery is very similar to that pronouncing the destruction of Babylon in Isaiah 13. This did not happen overnight but over a period of centuries. In the same way, Rome was not destroyed overnight, but over a period of centuries.
2. Its body given to the flame.
3. The rest of the beasts “had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.”
In Revelation 13, John saw the beast rising up out of the sea “like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion.” This is the composite of the four kingdoms of Daniel 2, one of the beasts was wounded on its head – Rome. The other three beasts are Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece. These “had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.”
The rest of the beasts represent the remnants of Babylon, Persia, and Greece that remain in rebellion to God. In spite of the opposition to God and his kingdom, the kingdom of God gradually fills the whole world, as described in chapter 2.
“I watched till thrones were put in place, and the Ancient of Days was seated; His garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head was like pure wool. His throne was a fiery flame, its wheels a burning fire; A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him. A thousand thousands ministered to Him; Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him. The court was seated, and the books were opened.”
A. The throne room scene, 9-10
A lot of imagery and symbolism here. One must remember that the ONLY place to find meaning for revealed symbols is in scripture.
1. “Thrones were put in place.”
This scene seems to be equivalent to that of Revelation 1 where the elders are said to occupy 24 thrones. These are thrones of victory, not judgment, because they had overcome the beast as is represented in Revelation 3:21; “To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” It may be that in Daniel 7, the thrones are reserved for the saints who had overcome the beast, although here, the number of thrones is unspecified. Judgment, of course, would come not from these, but from the Ancient of Days.
This certainly seems in keeping with the prophesy of Enoch recorded in Jude 14-15, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment on all….” The righteous are depicted as part of the divine entourage that accompanies the Almighty in his judgment of the nations.
2. “One Ancient in Days was seated.” Literally, “an old man was seated.”
Daniel 7 is the only place in scripture we find the expression “The Ancient of Days” and Daniel uses it three time in this chapter.
Ellicott says that the attribute of age expresses the majesty of the judge. This would certainly be in keeping with Semitic and Oriental ideas. God reveals himself in this vision in a form that is comprehensible to the human mind.
The overall presentation of this part of Daniel’s vision is the same type of imagery we find in the throne room scene of Ezekiel 1 where the imagery is much more vivid and elaborate. Unlike Daniel however, Ezekiel does not give us a description of the one who is on the throne. Ezekiel’s focus is directed to the four living creature that attend the throne.
3. “Garment white as snow.” This represents the purity and moral integrity of the one who occupies the throne.
4. “Hair of His head was like pure wool.” This is a representation of color, not texture. It suggests wisdom, discretion, and righteous judgment, as in the throne room scenes of Revelation 1:14. “His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow.”
5. “His throne was a fiery flame, its wheels a burning fire;”
a. The throne of fiery flame describes a triumphal chariot.
b. The wheels of burning fire describe the four living creatures who attend throne of God. This is the same imagery used in Ezekiel 1 and Revelation 4:6-9. This seems to be a description of the four archangels.
“Before the throne there was a sea of glass, like crystal. And in the midst of the throne, and around the throne, were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back. The first living creature was like a lion, the second living creature like a calf, the third living creature had a face like a man, and the fourth living creature was like a flying eagle. The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying: ‘Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!’ Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever.”
6. “A thousand thousands ministered to Him.” The angelic hosts – the bailiffs who carry out the judgments of the court.
7. “A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him.”
Ezekiel 1:4 says, “…a great cloud with raging fire engulfing itself; and brightness was all around it and radiating out of its midst like the color of amber, out of the midst of the fire.”
This imagery is seen in many places in scripture, and as a symbol, fire can signify a number of things. For example:
a. Sometimes it is a metaphor for affliction as in 1 Corinthians 3:13.
b. Elsewhere it represents the indignation of God which devours those who oppose him, Hebrews 10:27; Revelation 19:11-12.
c. Since this is a picture of judgment, it would seem to impress upon us the wrath of God against those who oppress the saints. “They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.” Revelation 20:9.
8. “Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.” 10,000 squared is actually 100,000,000. The number is not to be regarded as literal but as a representation of all the accused of all the nations. This seems to be the metaphoric use of any number in prophetic literature that is a multiple of 10.
9. “The court was seated, and the books were opened.”
Understand, this is not a depiction of the end of all things. This is not a description of the second coming of Christ. The judgment of this vision is that of the dreadful beast of verses 7-8.
We are not here given the nature of the books, but this same imagery is also witnessed by John in Revelation 20:11-15 to depict the final judgment.
“Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small (These dead are those who are dead spiritually. Even after the resurrection, these are still regarded as dead. These are the damned.), standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. (The books are depicted by John as a record of their conduct which is weighed against the word of God and sentence is passed). And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them (Both the natural grave and the Hadean realm surrender their dead. This is the resurrection of both body and soul); and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds (The saved are not part of this assembly. The saints have already received their judgment in verses 4-6). Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire (Death and Hades are merely temporary things that fulfill a temporary function. After the resurrection, that need no longer exists so, there is no more use for death and hades, consequently, they are deposited into the lake of fire – an eternal state, whatever that represents, along with all the other spiritual refuse). This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”
No one of this crowd was found written in the book of life. These are the “dead,” they are the damned, those who are separated from God. The books are depicted by John as a record of their conduct which is weighed against the word of God and sentence is passed. It would seem the books of Daniel 7 must be understood in the same way.
B. Judgment of the pompous horn, 11-12
"I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.”
1. The beast is slain – a specific nation – Rome, whose power was brought to an end just as the beasts who came before it. This imagery is very similar to that pronouncing the destruction of Babylon in Isaiah 13. This did not happen overnight but over a period of centuries. In the same way, Rome was not destroyed overnight, but over a period of centuries.
2. Its body given to the flame.
3. The rest of the beasts “had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.”
In Revelation 13, John saw the beast rising up out of the sea “like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion.” This is the composite of the four kingdoms of Daniel 2, one of the beasts was wounded on its head – Rome. The other three beasts are Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece. These “had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.”
The rest of the beasts represent the remnants of Babylon, Persia, and Greece that remain in rebellion to God. In spite of the opposition to God and his kingdom, the kingdom of God gradually fills the whole world, as described in chapter 2.
I strongly disagree, Daniels (Little Horn) and John's (The Beast) represents a future human man, that will be present at the future second coming, who's literal body will be cast alive into the lake of fire.
Your Preterist claim that Emperor Domitian 81-96 fulfilled this is false.
A Future Event, Unfulfilled
In The Love Of Jesus Christ, I Disagree
Your Preterist claim that Emperor Domitian 81-96 fulfilled this is false.
A Future Event, Unfulfilled
In The Love Of Jesus Christ, I Disagree
No confusion whatsoever, the (Historicist) teaching is in error, Emperor Domitian 81-96AD wasnt Daniels Little Horn seen in Daniel 7:8-11 below, it's a future event, the Little Horn will be alive at the second coming and final judgement, I disagree with all your symbolism presented in distraction.
The (Little Horn) in Daniel 7 will be present on earth at the second coming, final judgement, as his body is given to the flame, same The Beast in Rev 19:20 below, same bad guy that will be present on earth until the Consummation (The End) in Daniel 9:27
(Future Events Unfulfilled)
As is clearly taught in scripture, Daniel's (Little Horn) and John's (The Beast) are the same future human man speaking blasphemy, that will be alive at the second coming and final judgement, and thrown into the Lake of Fire
Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
The (Little Horn) in Daniel 7 will be present on earth at the second coming, final judgement, as his body is given to the flame, same The Beast in Rev 19:20 below, same bad guy that will be present on earth until the Consummation (The End) in Daniel 9:27
(Future Events Unfulfilled)
As is clearly taught in scripture, Daniel's (Little Horn) and John's (The Beast) are the same future human man speaking blasphemy, that will be alive at the second coming and final judgement, and thrown into the Lake of Fire
Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
A. The ascension of “one like the Son of Man,” 13-14
“I was watching in the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of Man, coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed.”
1. “Coming with the clouds of heaven!” In scripture, this phrase is exclusively a judgment figure – ALWAYS. Here is everywhere in scripture this type of imagery is used. Notice the inference of war, woe, and destruction in each case.
a. Isaiah 19:1, “The oracle concerning Egypt. Behold, the Lord is riding on a swift cloud and is about to come to Egypt; the idols of Egypt will tremble at His presence, and the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them.”
b. Psalms 104:3, “He lays the beams of His upper chambers in the waters; He makes the clouds His chariot (this is the instrument of war.); He walks upon the wings of the wind;”
c. Jeremiah 4:13, “Behold, he goes up like clouds, and his chariots like the whirlwind; His horses are swifter than eagles. Woe to us, for we are ruined!"
Chariots, horses, whirlwind, and eagles are all images depicting war and destruction. When God is depicted as riding on his swift cloud or coming in the clouds, this is never a good thing. It means he is about to bring judgment upon some nation. Destruction is immanent and the end result will be the woes of the people. In the case of Daniel 7, that judgment is to be exercised on the beasts of Daniel’s vision. Daniel sees God “Coming with the clouds of heaven” riding on a throne depicted as a “fiery flame” chariot, with “its wheels a burning fire.”
d. Jesus used this same imagery which he draws from these Old Testament passages and applied them to himself. Matthew 24:30, “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”
e. Mark 14:62, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
f. Revelation 1:7, “Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth (houses of Israel) will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.”
g. Matthew 26:63-65, “And the high priest answered and said to Him, ‘I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!’ Jesus said to him, ‘It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.’ Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, ‘He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy!’”
This is why the high priest tore his cloths and accused Jesus of blasphemy. He knew precisely what Jesus was claiming by his reference to this passage in Daniel. Only God comes in the clouds or rides on the swift clouds. Caiaphas did not misunderstand the implications of Jesus’ statement. In effect, what Jesus told the high priest was “You are going to see ME coming back to Judge against Israel.” “Coming with the clouds of heaven” is simply a way of saying coming with judgment.
“I was watching in the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of Man, coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed.”
1. “Coming with the clouds of heaven!” In scripture, this phrase is exclusively a judgment figure – ALWAYS. Here is everywhere in scripture this type of imagery is used. Notice the inference of war, woe, and destruction in each case.
a. Isaiah 19:1, “The oracle concerning Egypt. Behold, the Lord is riding on a swift cloud and is about to come to Egypt; the idols of Egypt will tremble at His presence, and the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them.”
b. Psalms 104:3, “He lays the beams of His upper chambers in the waters; He makes the clouds His chariot (this is the instrument of war.); He walks upon the wings of the wind;”
c. Jeremiah 4:13, “Behold, he goes up like clouds, and his chariots like the whirlwind; His horses are swifter than eagles. Woe to us, for we are ruined!"
Chariots, horses, whirlwind, and eagles are all images depicting war and destruction. When God is depicted as riding on his swift cloud or coming in the clouds, this is never a good thing. It means he is about to bring judgment upon some nation. Destruction is immanent and the end result will be the woes of the people. In the case of Daniel 7, that judgment is to be exercised on the beasts of Daniel’s vision. Daniel sees God “Coming with the clouds of heaven” riding on a throne depicted as a “fiery flame” chariot, with “its wheels a burning fire.”
d. Jesus used this same imagery which he draws from these Old Testament passages and applied them to himself. Matthew 24:30, “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”
e. Mark 14:62, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
f. Revelation 1:7, “Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth (houses of Israel) will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.”
g. Matthew 26:63-65, “And the high priest answered and said to Him, ‘I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!’ Jesus said to him, ‘It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.’ Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, ‘He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy!’”
This is why the high priest tore his cloths and accused Jesus of blasphemy. He knew precisely what Jesus was claiming by his reference to this passage in Daniel. Only God comes in the clouds or rides on the swift clouds. Caiaphas did not misunderstand the implications of Jesus’ statement. In effect, what Jesus told the high priest was “You are going to see ME coming back to Judge against Israel.” “Coming with the clouds of heaven” is simply a way of saying coming with judgment.
2. “He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom….”
This is the ascension of the Son to the Father and presentation is made. He takes his place on the throne of heaven. This is the restoration of everything Jesus laid aside in Philippians 2. Consider the eighth points of divine restoration in Hebrews 1 as they are applied to the Son.
a. Divine Right of Possession – He is “Heir of all things,” verse three.
The ownership of all things has now passed to him. The uniqueness of this heirship resides in the fact that everything already belonged to him by right of creation from the beginning. He is now heir not only by right of creation, “He made the worlds,” but also by right of redemption “He made purification for sin.” He not only created all things but has now purchased it back.
b. Divine Equality – “Exact representation of His nature,” verse three
The equality of which he emptied himself in Philippians 2:6-7 is the same equality that is expressed by the Hebrew writer as representing God. This includes intrinsic attributes as well as moral character. Not only are the limitations of the natural world that were imposed upon his flesh lifted, but his moral character is no longer subject to vulnerability.
c. Divine Dignity – “Sit at My right hand…,” verse three, quoted from Psalms 110:1.
This is the place of honor and authority. It is a place reserved exclusively for the victorious. The Lord is the one who sits at the right hand. This place is occupied only by divine invitation, “The Lord said…Sit at My right hand.” This is the place where relationship is confirmed – it is the Son who sits. (See also Revelation 3;21.)
d. Divine Preeminence – “Today, I have begotten Thee.” verse five and Psalms 2:7. This revers to his resurrection.
This is the installation of heavens’ King. The meaning of “Today” has received a number of speculative interpretations by commentators and expositors. But the apostle Paul gives us the inspired explanation of Psalms 2:7.
In Acts 13:31-38, Paul quotes the Psalm and specifically points out that “today” refers to the resurrection of our Lord, “In that He raised Him from the dead.” Thus, the expression “today” does not refer to that timeless ever-present, eternal day that Christ inhabits (Origen). Nor does he link it to the virgin birth (A.W. Pink). The Hebrew writer qualifies “today” in four related statements that fix the point in time of this appointment. It was the time when he was “appointed heir,” when he “made purification for sin,” when he “sat down at the right hand,” and when he “inherited a more excellent name than they.” All of these were the result of his resurrection from the dead.
This is the ascension of the Son to the Father and presentation is made. He takes his place on the throne of heaven. This is the restoration of everything Jesus laid aside in Philippians 2. Consider the eighth points of divine restoration in Hebrews 1 as they are applied to the Son.
a. Divine Right of Possession – He is “Heir of all things,” verse three.
The ownership of all things has now passed to him. The uniqueness of this heirship resides in the fact that everything already belonged to him by right of creation from the beginning. He is now heir not only by right of creation, “He made the worlds,” but also by right of redemption “He made purification for sin.” He not only created all things but has now purchased it back.
b. Divine Equality – “Exact representation of His nature,” verse three
The equality of which he emptied himself in Philippians 2:6-7 is the same equality that is expressed by the Hebrew writer as representing God. This includes intrinsic attributes as well as moral character. Not only are the limitations of the natural world that were imposed upon his flesh lifted, but his moral character is no longer subject to vulnerability.
c. Divine Dignity – “Sit at My right hand…,” verse three, quoted from Psalms 110:1.
This is the place of honor and authority. It is a place reserved exclusively for the victorious. The Lord is the one who sits at the right hand. This place is occupied only by divine invitation, “The Lord said…Sit at My right hand.” This is the place where relationship is confirmed – it is the Son who sits. (See also Revelation 3;21.)
d. Divine Preeminence – “Today, I have begotten Thee.” verse five and Psalms 2:7. This revers to his resurrection.
This is the installation of heavens’ King. The meaning of “Today” has received a number of speculative interpretations by commentators and expositors. But the apostle Paul gives us the inspired explanation of Psalms 2:7.
In Acts 13:31-38, Paul quotes the Psalm and specifically points out that “today” refers to the resurrection of our Lord, “In that He raised Him from the dead.” Thus, the expression “today” does not refer to that timeless ever-present, eternal day that Christ inhabits (Origen). Nor does he link it to the virgin birth (A.W. Pink). The Hebrew writer qualifies “today” in four related statements that fix the point in time of this appointment. It was the time when he was “appointed heir,” when he “made purification for sin,” when he “sat down at the right hand,” and when he “inherited a more excellent name than they.” All of these were the result of his resurrection from the dead.
e. Divine Privilege – “And let all the angels of God worship Him,” verse six.
This quote is found only in the LXX translation of Deuteronomy 32:43, but is not found in most English translations of the Old Testament. The New American Bible 1971 quotes it as “glorify Him, all you angels of God.” (See also Isaiah 6:1-4 and Revelation 4:15). Receiving worship is a divinely exclusive privilege. Only God justly receives worship.
f. Divine Sovereignty – “Thy God has anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy companions.” verse nine. Who are these companions? I offer three possibilities.
It has been suggested that “companions” may refer to the angles of verses four and five but, in relation to Jesus, angels are “ministers,” flames of fire.”
Could it be Christians? Christians are not any part of the context of chapter one.
The most fitting candidate contextually would have to be fellow kings – This is far more likely. Notice the inferences.
• “Your throne” as opposed to all other thrones which are temporal and are left to others.
• “Your scepter” as opposed to all other scepters whose judgments are not always just.
• “Your kingdom” as opposed to all other kingdoms, none of which will stand forever.
• His standard of rule as opposed to all other standards, “You have loved righteousness and hated iniquity…” Thus, he is appointed above all who possess thrones, scepters, and kingdoms. He is truly King above all kings and Lord above all lords.
g. Divine Authority – “You shalt roll them up,” verse twelve and Psalms 102:26 and Isaiah 34:4. This presented in a set of contrasts. The nature of creation is temporal and mutable.
They shall perish, become old.
They shall be rolled up and changed – “ἀλλαγήσονται;” Not changed as in given a new form, but changed and replaced with something else. That which is worn out is discarded. What replaces it is a heavenly dwelling place.
In contrast to creation, Jesus is immutable, eternal, and external. He laid the foundations of creation. He will be here after he brings it to an end.
He is constant, eternal, never changing, “You remain.” “You are the same.” “Your years shall not end.”
h. Divine Adjudication – “Your enemies a footstool for your feet,” verse thirteen. Notice the indicators of sovereignty in Psalms 110:1-7 from which this quote is taken. All of them have judicial implications.
“Sit at My right hand.”
“Enemies a footstool for Thy feet”
“Stretches forth His scepter.”
“Rule in the midst of His enemies”
“He will scatter the kings.”
“He will judge among the nations.”
“He will fill them with corpses.”
“He will scatter the chief men.”
“He will lift up His head.”
So, the One who surrendered all is now restored as Lord of all. The mission of the Son for redemption is complete. Having retained his rightful place on heaven’s throne, he promises that all who will attend him will share in his inheritance and he gives us the Holy Spirit as the certainty of that inheritance.
John declares in Revelation 11:15-19, “Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, ‘The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!’ And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying: ‘We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was and who is to come, because You have taken Your great power and [have begun to reign]. The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come (the day of reckoning is at hand), and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, and those who fear Your name, small and great, and should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
3. “That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.”
This is the redemption of people out of every primary human demographic. John quotes this in Revelation 5:9. While Daniel sees this as a future condition, John is representing it as a past reality with continuing effects. It has already been done.
“You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals; For You were slain, and have redeemed us (Aorist, Indicative, Active) to God by Your blood out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation.”
a. Out of every tribe – the 12 tribes of Israel
b. Out of every people – every family group???
c. Out of every nation – past, present, and future
d. Out of every language
Redemption is not restrained by any set of human boundaries. It seeks out the hears of men of every human demographic.
4. “His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed. This is the end of the account. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly troubled me, and my countenance changed; but I kept the matter in my heart.”
This quote is found only in the LXX translation of Deuteronomy 32:43, but is not found in most English translations of the Old Testament. The New American Bible 1971 quotes it as “glorify Him, all you angels of God.” (See also Isaiah 6:1-4 and Revelation 4:15). Receiving worship is a divinely exclusive privilege. Only God justly receives worship.
f. Divine Sovereignty – “Thy God has anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy companions.” verse nine. Who are these companions? I offer three possibilities.
It has been suggested that “companions” may refer to the angles of verses four and five but, in relation to Jesus, angels are “ministers,” flames of fire.”
Could it be Christians? Christians are not any part of the context of chapter one.
The most fitting candidate contextually would have to be fellow kings – This is far more likely. Notice the inferences.
• “Your throne” as opposed to all other thrones which are temporal and are left to others.
• “Your scepter” as opposed to all other scepters whose judgments are not always just.
• “Your kingdom” as opposed to all other kingdoms, none of which will stand forever.
• His standard of rule as opposed to all other standards, “You have loved righteousness and hated iniquity…” Thus, he is appointed above all who possess thrones, scepters, and kingdoms. He is truly King above all kings and Lord above all lords.
g. Divine Authority – “You shalt roll them up,” verse twelve and Psalms 102:26 and Isaiah 34:4. This presented in a set of contrasts. The nature of creation is temporal and mutable.
They shall perish, become old.
They shall be rolled up and changed – “ἀλλαγήσονται;” Not changed as in given a new form, but changed and replaced with something else. That which is worn out is discarded. What replaces it is a heavenly dwelling place.
In contrast to creation, Jesus is immutable, eternal, and external. He laid the foundations of creation. He will be here after he brings it to an end.
He is constant, eternal, never changing, “You remain.” “You are the same.” “Your years shall not end.”
h. Divine Adjudication – “Your enemies a footstool for your feet,” verse thirteen. Notice the indicators of sovereignty in Psalms 110:1-7 from which this quote is taken. All of them have judicial implications.
“Sit at My right hand.”
“Enemies a footstool for Thy feet”
“Stretches forth His scepter.”
“Rule in the midst of His enemies”
“He will scatter the kings.”
“He will judge among the nations.”
“He will fill them with corpses.”
“He will scatter the chief men.”
“He will lift up His head.”
So, the One who surrendered all is now restored as Lord of all. The mission of the Son for redemption is complete. Having retained his rightful place on heaven’s throne, he promises that all who will attend him will share in his inheritance and he gives us the Holy Spirit as the certainty of that inheritance.
John declares in Revelation 11:15-19, “Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, ‘The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!’ And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying: ‘We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was and who is to come, because You have taken Your great power and [have begun to reign]. The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come (the day of reckoning is at hand), and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, and those who fear Your name, small and great, and should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
3. “That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.”
This is the redemption of people out of every primary human demographic. John quotes this in Revelation 5:9. While Daniel sees this as a future condition, John is representing it as a past reality with continuing effects. It has already been done.
“You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals; For You were slain, and have redeemed us (Aorist, Indicative, Active) to God by Your blood out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation.”
a. Out of every tribe – the 12 tribes of Israel
b. Out of every people – every family group???
c. Out of every nation – past, present, and future
d. Out of every language
Redemption is not restrained by any set of human boundaries. It seeks out the hears of men of every human demographic.
4. “His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed. This is the end of the account. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly troubled me, and my countenance changed; but I kept the matter in my heart.”
Thanks for the response, he has revealed his belief in Daniel 7 (Little Horn) my only interest In this thread, he believes it (Was) Emperor Domitian 81-96AD
This is a (Preterist) position, I disagree with the (Historicist Teaching), Daniel 7:8-11 the (Little Horn) is the very same human man as John's (The Beast) seen in Revelation 13
As previously explained, Both Daniel 7:8-11 and Rev 19:20 see this human man alive at the second coming final judgement, and both accounts have this human figure cast into the lake of fire, a future event unfulfilled.
This is a (Preterist) position, I disagree with the (Historicist Teaching), Daniel 7:8-11 the (Little Horn) is the very same human man as John's (The Beast) seen in Revelation 13
As previously explained, Both Daniel 7:8-11 and Rev 19:20 see this human man alive at the second coming final judgement, and both accounts have this human figure cast into the lake of fire, a future event unfulfilled.
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Thanks for your teaching, it appears to be the standard Historicist views of the reformed persuasions, I disagree with Rome being the 7 hills, it's the 7 hills of Jerusalem
I disagree Emperor Domitian 81-96AD was the Little Horn seen in Daniel 7:8-11, this human man will be a future Jew, and will be alive at the second coming, final judgement, consummation (The End), and cast into the Lake Of Fire
Once Again, Thanks!
Jesus Christ Is Lord!
I disagree Emperor Domitian 81-96AD was the Little Horn seen in Daniel 7:8-11, this human man will be a future Jew, and will be alive at the second coming, final judgement, consummation (The End), and cast into the Lake Of Fire
Once Again, Thanks!
Jesus Christ Is Lord!
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