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Noose

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you do not know the word of god very well. I have never heard of such a preverted context of what people believe God has done over what a man claims to have done. You are suggesting the work of God is evil. What a very dangerious thing to say. You no longer need to respond to my post thank you. And other who have this sick and evil outlook on this video.
Why would you conclude that God did that?

I did not pervert the scriptures, i just quoted some but if you want i can break it down for you:

Rom 8:18I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.19For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21thath the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. .......
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
 

Zmouth

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A man was pronounced dead by his doctors.
50 minutes later, and after prayer from his son and pastor, his heart began to beat again.
How can you claim to believe in God and find reason to default what clearly God has done?
I would hate to be YOU!!
Some say that a true Christian is going to believe what the "Word of God' says no matter what the truth is, I don't know if that is true or not but I would hate for you to me cause I don't think you got in you to believe all things. Would you believe that the report was dated 2013?

Would it make any difference if they found out that the sensor on the heart monitor malfunctioned, as a result the lack of a heat beat was misdiagnosised as a amyocardial infarction that resulted in the administration of therapeutic dose of adrenalin?

Do you believe the administration of adrenalin to treat a amyocardial infaction is a dosage that can produce a amyocardial infarction when the heart is not in cardic arrest.
 

Zmouth

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Why would you conclude that God did that?
Cause we are to believe all things are possibly true instead of summarily dismissing things as untrue when we don't have any knowledge of the facts to disprove what is claimed.

I did not pervert the scriptures, i just quoted some but if you want i can break it down for you:
Did you search or make inquiry?
Do you examine the source of the information you obtain?
Did you try the words of the claim to see if they were of truth or not?
Can you prove that it didn't occur as claimed?
(I can cite scriptures for each of these if you like)

All I didn't see thing factual in your post, just opinions.

Faith without evidence is like hope in a lie.
 

CS1

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Below is what God has reported and between you and them, who shall believe God's report?

Psalms 116: 15 Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his faithful servants.

Isa 57: 1 The righteous perish, and no one takes it to heart;
the devout are taken away,
and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil.
2 Those who walk uprightly enter into peace;they find rest as they lie in death.

Why would God report one thing and do the opposite?
LOl wrong
 

CS1

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Why would you conclude that God did that?

I did not pervert the scriptures, i just quoted some but if you want i can break it down for you:

Rom 8:18I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.19For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21thath the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. .......
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
If God is the one who give life AND THE ONE WHO HAS ORDAINED THE TIME MAN SHOULD DIE, and the man who did die came back ; who else would you contribute that too the devil as you have? Wrong!
 

trofimus

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Cause we are to believe all things are possibly true instead of summarily dismissing things as untrue when we don't have any knowledge of the facts to disprove what is claimed.
I think the opposite approach is more rational.

There are many stories (both absurd and more believable) that you simply cannot verify or where there is not enough of evidence.

We should belive in what works and what has evidence.
 

CS1

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Why would you conclude that God did that?

I did not pervert the scriptures, i just quoted some but if you want i can break it down for you:

Rom 8:18I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.19For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21thath the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. .......
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
yes you did, you preverted the scriptures to suggest this event was done by the devil. very sad and In would be careful to o. That is very close to blaphemy .
 

CS1

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I think the opposite approach is more rational.

There are many stories (both absurd and more believable) that you simply cannot verify or where there is not enough of evidence.

We should belive in what works and what has evidence.
we overcome by the blood of the lamb and the word of our Testimony. THis is a good report and is praise worthy Phil 4:8

says :

"8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. ". Only a Pharisees would faind evil in this testimony .
 

trofimus

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Only a Pharisees would faind evil in this testimony .
I do not think that we must accept/reject everything we hear.

Or that we must judge everything we hear by "its a lie/evil or its truth/good".

I, personally, do not care about this testimony, for me it changes nothing. Either true or not true, either it was natural or supernatural. God is still the same God.
 

notuptome

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well we can just agree to disagree. you can not bring any judgement on me nor I on you. I do not care if your german, or from outerspace, that too is not important to me.
You are all about you.

What we are really talking about here is the testimony of Christ.
we overcome by the blood of the lamb and the word of our Testimony. THis is a good report and is praise worthy Phil 4:8

says :

"8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. ". Only a Pharisees would faind evil in this testimony .
Philippians 4:8 is a gem of scripture. It has great application in our daily walk with Christ. I do not know if the news item rises to this level.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

CS1

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You are all about you.

What we are really talking about here is the testimony of Christ.

Philippians 4:8 is a gem of scripture. It has great application in our daily walk with Christ. I do not know if the news item rises to this level.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I find it funny those who have taken issue with my comments above.


I mentioned no names it could have even been an atheist and even someone you have known not even on CC. BUT some here in their prideful self-righteous Pharisees outlook; took it to mean them. LOL If am wrong for my post I will say it could be trolling those who meet the above description. However, the video does provides proof that God raises the dead.

Watching those scramble to create biblical opposition to this testimony was fun:)

Then out of anger mainly due no Biblical refute of this testimony, they act like Pharisees attacking the testimony of this video. It was only after that, you see their true fruit:).

False narratives, allegorizing verse to over spiritualize this testimony, even flat out questioning their salvation after they publicly gave God glory for what has been done.

Doctor testified, “This was a Miracle”. Yet some here who are not Doctors; try to provide medical explanation to this event and were not even the ones who examined the dead man. LOL But they know better .
just in case those pharisees missed this :)
 

Zmouth

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Cause we are to believe all things are possibly true instead of summarily dismissing things as untrue when we don't have any knowledge of the facts to disprove what is claimed.

I think the opposite approach is more rational.
That's your prerogative, so you believe it is more rational to believe all things are untrue and try to find the truth?

So if anyone told you that it was written in the scriptures "believe all things' then the rational approach would be to summarily dismiss what you were told as being untrue, that really interesting.

Personally I would consider that as being totally irrational since it will eventually result in deny true facts simply because when you summarily dismiss things as being untrue, you not longer have no need to prove those things you believe to be true.

There are many stories (both absurd and more believable) that you simply cannot verify or where there is not enough of evidence.
So when it comes to God, if is written a person must believe he is then obviously they have no actual knowledge of his existence or they wouldn't have to believe he existed, then how does the rational approach of dismissing things which you can't verify relate to that requirement in Hebrews 11:6

While I know the results of believing all things as possibly being true got me, so am I to believe that you came to God by dismissing the possible truth to his existence? So you say you think the opposite approach is more rational, which it might be so I look forward to explaining how it is more rational since the error of method would result in one denying God existence since it could not verify the existence of God in order to overcome the burden dismisses whatever they choose until the could prove it true before they believed he existed.

So the rational approach is to dismiss them as false?
We should belive in what works and what has evidence.
See Galatians 6:4 KJV
 

notuptome

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just in case those pharisees missed this :)
Not all the Pharisees were corrupt. Some actually worshipped God although many did not. Some believed on Christ but did not speak for fear of reprisals.

You appear increasingly desperate to find any support for your contentions and to prove other believers to be in error. Sad situation but we are to look to the word of God for our assurance not to external evidences.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

CS1

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Not all the Pharisees were corrupt. Some actually worshipped God although many did not. Some believed on Christ but did not speak for fear of reprisals.

You appear increasingly desperate to find any support for your contentions and to prove other believers to be in error. Sad situation but we are to look to the word of God for our assurance not to external evidences.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
nope :) not desperate for support, in fact, there are many who have already what you really mean is I'm hoping for yours nope :) As I said I pay you no mind :). you should thank me for starting this post to help seem more relevant :)
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I heard a sermon just the other day and the speaker said that there aren't anywhere near as many miracles in out time as there was when Jesus walked the earth and soon after He departed. The speaker reasoned that it was because the gospel was being introduced to the world and the miracles helped spread the gospel.

You bring up a good point in that we don't know how many miracles are happening all over the world every day. There are over 7 billion people so there must be hundreds of miracles every day but we just don't hear about them. Then we have men like Benny Hinn who has made a fortune selling miracles, and drawing big crowds of sick people hoping for a miracle.
you were good until you mentioned Hinn :eek:

snake oil

I'm trying to find the half like choice...
 
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Nope.

There are just as many miracles or even more than during Jesus' time but we know where they come from:

2 Thess 2: 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Revelation 13:14
13And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14. Because of the signs it was given to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived those who dwell on the earth, telling them to make an image to the beast that had been wounded by the sword and yet had lived.

so close to the truth

where you had it wrong? that would be in saying that what the Holy Spirit does is of the devil

the greatest miracle is the new life we receive from God

you and others are all in a flux because what if, just what if, any of this is real?
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like the atheist who finds God just before the plane crashes

my opinion, so you can't argue it because this is an opinion, mine, is that those who reject the Holy Spirit will be fooled anyway because they will not be able to resist

you think you know; but you really don't

anyone can quote scripture. the devil and demons do it all day long and distort it and when a Christian believes those verses and similar are talking about the work of the Holy Spirit instead of the devil's false miracles, I'm pretty sure there is rejoicing in hell

what use is discernment if those that are supposed to have some, reject the One who gives it?

that may be hard to follow
 
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7seasrekeyed

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interesting how the whining has crept in

it went from you do not know anything about scripture and the ususal schtick about that

to 'whaaa. you hate me. you are biased towards me. where's my can of worms?'

somebody must have been an only child...or thought they were
 
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7seasrekeyed

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What good and what context are you talking about? Precious to God is the death of his saints, says the Lord and is it not the Lord that sends pestilences (diseases), sword (wars), famine and beasts against His own people? is it not God who said that we are counted for slaughter all day as sheep for his sake?

So the idea that people go around healing others and raising the dead is absolutely against God.

Again:

Psalms 116: 15 Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his faithful servants.

Isa 57: 1 The righteous perish, and no one takes it to heart;
the devout are taken away,
and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil.

2 Those who walk uprightly enter into peace;they find rest as they lie in death.

right. you quote from the OT.

you woulda thought Jesus had precious death in mind when He called Lazarus from the tomb

I mean Lazarus just had to die again in the end anyway. what a waste.

and why bother to heal the sick?

even worse...forgive sins!

no end to it

I guess you missed the part where it says 'O DEATH WHERE IS YOUR STING?'

listen: death is God's enemy. He created ONLY life and He gives life

I've noticed that when people want to disprove the testimony of the NT, they quote from the old

proving they understand neither
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Very unkind statement and very untrue. Why must you be so unloving?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
why

everyone is always asking why

you would think that would have been answered a long time ago