Debating Original Sin

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Pete_Martinez

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Lol no kidding it's the first thing that pops into my head when someone says vanity
 
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machew

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QuestionTime said:
Well, that's just an example. But, because of satan's sin, the other angels were exposed to sin and were then able to make a choice to sin. There was no genetic inheritance of sin between the angels.

As well, there is nothing in the language nor the context that proves that men inherited a sinful nature either. Just because many became sinners doesn't mean they acquired a sin nature.

How can you feel guilty for your sins Charise if you were given a sinful nature and had no choice but to sin? That's my difficulty.

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God didn't impose original sin on us. We inherited it from Adam. Because of Adam and Eve's agreement with satan, they were separated from God, and satan was able take the authority that God gave Adam and Eve to rule over the human race, and actually had a legal right to. But after the death and resurrection of Jesus the curse of sin was broken and satan no longer has any legal right to rule over the Earth. Because the curse was broken by Jesus our sin nature died with our old self when we became born again. This is one of the primary reasons Jesus died on the cross. Jesus died to set us free from sin. One of the fruits of the Spirit is self-control. Think about it. How is it even possible for this to be true if we still struggle with our sin nature?

Satan has to now get people in agreement with him for him to be able to do anything on the earth. Essentially, he piggy-backs on our God-given authority over the Earth. Obviously it isn't hard for him to get agreement from people who are ignorant of his influence over them. What some born again believers call their battle with the sin nature, is actually satan tempting them, making them think it is their flesh, so that they see no remedy for their problem.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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mcubed said:
To be honest I do not know "Christian" theology I am Jewish ... If you want to explain Universalism that would be great!
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Universalism is a belief that all people are saved from hell. It is a heresy.
 
phil36

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QuestionTime said:
Gen 3:
22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Deut 1:
39Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

The Bible doesn't say that all men are become as one of us, it says the man is become one of us.

I don't agree with every Pelagius stood for, but I think there is a happier median to be found between the two beliefs.

The one great problem of original sin is that it clashes with man's irresistible convictions of justice. These innate, God-given convictions affirm to us irresistibly that it is impossible to hold a man responsible for a deed that he did not commit and that was committed thousands of years before he was born and came into existence. So the theologians who defend the theory of original sin have the impossible task of justifying God for doing what their own conscience affirms he could not be just in doing.
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Hi QT

I have highlighted an area of your text above in blue. This inbetween is called, ' semi - pelagian' and not and does not fit well with Scripture either. Roman Catholics are oft called 'semi - pelagian.

Im starting to worry about the things that you actually believe QT.

in Love

Phil
 
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