Defining Modesty

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hornetguy

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Hey!

I wanted to interpret the scripture's hard standard apart from culture *first,* and then move on to culture if relevant.

However, if that's an incorrect way to do this - I'm listening. Please continue.

Chiefly, I want to avoid this reasoning: "Our current culture says it's wrong (argument from majority), therefore it's wrong for all cultures."
I'm not sure of the validity of that statement, either.... there are many places in Europe where women go topless on beaches with no social stigma at all.

I have no problem with that.... I think that nudity, for nudity's sake, is highly overrated.

Much like the "streaking" fad back in the 70's.... there was nothing "sexual" about that nudity at all.. it was more of a statement of rebellion than anything else.
 

NoNameMcgee

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I'm not sure of the validity of that statement, either.... there are many places in Europe where women go topless on beaches with no social stigma at all.

I have no problem with that.... I think that nudity, for nudity's sake, is highly overrated.

Much like the "streaking" fad back in the 70's.... there was nothing "sexual" about that nudity at all.. it was more of a statement of rebellion than anything else.
the intent of the .... person exposing themself has nothing to do with how shameless they are behaving
 

hornetguy

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the intent of the .... person exposing themself has nothing to do with how shameless they are behaving
I'm not sure I fully agree with that.... can you expand that thought a little bit?
 

NoNameMcgee

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I'm not sure I fully agree with that.... can you expand that thought a little bit?
once you reach a certain age

....

the same age you are accountable for your actions


you should be able to understand being naked (or overly exposed) in certain settings is wrong (public.. or exposing too much of yourself to anyone aside from your wife or husband unless your handicapped and have no choice but to accept help bathing and such)
 

NoNameMcgee

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i mean accidents happen

you can rip your pants
lol


but if you didnt cover up

you dont think thats shameless?


or just because its not "sexual" its fine to let it show?


I'm not sure I fully agree with that.... can you expand that thought a little bit?
 

kaylagrl

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Does that mean a husband and a wife can sinfully lust after one another?
You know Ive pondered that question before and I really dont have an answer. I think they were more ashamed in front of God than each other. They suddenly knew they were unclothed. I mean, there have been instances of rape between married couples,so does that mean lust played a factor? Im not sure. Interesting question though.
 

kaylagrl

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not to be rude....


but i dont consider yoga pants "modest"

i mean i dont know how loose yours are

but those are typically "skin tight"



(not justifying that perverts actions)


A loaded issue there. I dont believe in saying a woman "asked for it" with what they were wearing. A man is responsible for his own actions. On the other hand,for a woman to dress the way I see some dress and not expect to get hit on is just being naive to me. Not talking about Reneweds situation at all,she wasn't in the wrong. Somewhere there has to be a balance. I ask my husband if something is too tight or low cut and he'll let me know if it is.
 
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I'm not sure of the validity of that statement, either.... there are many places in Europe where women go topless on beaches with no social stigma at all.

I have no problem with that.... I think that nudity, for nudity's sake, is highly overrated.

Much like the "streaking" fad back in the 70's.... there was nothing "sexual" about that nudity at all.. it was more of a statement of rebellion than anything else.
When I was a teenager, I couldn't keep my eyes off of women in bikinis, let alone a female streaker.

While I can't judge other men, I'm sure they looked too.

A streaker doesn't state his/her intentions, so I can't see how you can say there wasn't anything "sexual" about it.

Perhaps it was because you saw a male streaker.;)
 

NoNameMcgee

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A loaded issue there. I dont believe in saying a woman "asked for it" with what they were wearing. A man is responsible for his own actions. On the other hand,for a woman to dress the way I see some dress and not expect to get hit on is just being naive to me. Not talking about Reneweds situation at all,she wasn't in the wrong. Somewhere there has to be a balance. I ask my husband if something is too tight or low cut and he'll let me know if it is.

i dont see how its loaded

a lustful man or woman is in the wrong


and dressing immodest is wrong for either sex


*edit*
and of anyone thinks they shouldnt be accountable for their actions

or tries to play the blame game

"ohh she asked for it"

thats messed up
 
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A loaded issue there. I dont believe in saying a woman "asked for it" with what they were wearing. A man is responsible for his own actions. On the other hand,for a woman to dress the way I see some dress and not expect to get hit on is just being naive to me. Not talking about Reneweds situation at all,she wasn't in the wrong. Somewhere there has to be a balance. I ask my husband if something is too tight or low cut and he'll let me know if it is.
Today's public doesn't consider that their dress makes a statement to others.

From a man's point of view, seeing a woman in yoga pants worn the way the world designates makes a hot statement.

I cannot hear the intention that, "I can't help it, this is my only pair, & I've gained 15 pounds". There's no possible way a man can read that.

While a woman's intention wasn't "asking for it", the visual interpretation of their body language/dress may have been screaming it.

Some might say "I wasn't asking for action, I just wanted to look good". That's really no excuse in a world with no standards.

We are responsible to protect ourselves from perverts. Our clothes can be our best shield or an advertisement for sex.
 

gb9

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this post is for Stephen , in reference to his post # 33

you see, the first part of what you said was fine, the thing about this stuff coming from pride is fine, but to say that " immodesty leads to stealing, immorality, lying " is judgemental non-sense. that type stuff is why I would sit outside in the rain under a tree and read my Bible and pray before I would set foot in one of these judgemental, control freak, houses of hypocrites.
 

kaylagrl

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Today's public doesn't consider that their dress makes a statement to others.

From a man's point of view, seeing a woman in yoga pants worn the way the world designates makes a hot statement.

I cannot hear the intention that, "I can't help it, this is my only pair, & I've gained 15 pounds". There's no possible way a man can read that.

While a woman's intention wasn't "asking for it", the visual interpretation of their body language/dress may have been screaming it.

Some might say "I wasn't asking for action, I just wanted to look good". That's really no excuse in a world with no standards.

We are responsible to protect ourselves from perverts. Our clothes can be our best shield or an advertisement for sex.
Well the problem with this line of thought is that rape is more about domination and less about what a person is wearing. While I believe in dressing modestly if we carry that all the way to the other extreme we have Islam. Women are covered head to toe in fabric because a man cannot contain his lust and thats just dead wrong. So again,there has to be a balance.
 
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you see, the first part of what you said was fine, the thing about this stuff coming from pride is fine, but to say that " immodesty leads to stealing, immorality, lying " is judgemental non-sense. that type stuff is why I would sit outside in the rain under a tree and read my Bible and pray before I would set foot in one of these judgemental, control freak, houses of hypocrites.

A person dressed to look like the rich & famous is doing what......?

If that person is poor, they're not lying in their actions? Maybe deceitful then is the word.

A minister whose clothes, car, & superior attitude isn't stealing God's glory by looking & acting more important than he is?

Go watch a televangelist.:rolleyes:
 

kaylagrl

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this post is for Stephen , in reference to his post # 33

you see, the first part of what you said was fine, the thing about this stuff coming from pride is fine, but to say that " immodesty leads to stealing, immorality, lying " is judgemental non-sense. that type stuff is why I would sit outside in the rain under a tree and read my Bible and pray before I would set foot in one of these judgemental, control freak, houses of hypocrites.
Lets not paint everyone with the same brush. There are wonderful churches out there doing work for the Lord.
 
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Well the problem with this line of thought is that rape is more about domination and less about what a person is wearing. While I believe in dressing modestly if we carry that all the way to the other extreme we have Islam. Women are covered head to toe in fabric because a man cannot contain his lust and thats just dead wrong. So again,there has to be a balance.
I totally agree.

We can't turn the heads of those 10-20% that might be rapists,true, but we CAN do something about the other 80%.:)
 

gb9

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Lets not paint everyone with the same brush. There are wonderful churches out there doing work for the Lord.
well, when one implies that a person wearing a ac dc t shirt to church would also lie and steal is using a pretty big judgemental brush.

by the way, I would never go to church in a t-shirt, I believe in "sunday dress up " ( lived in Georgia all my like ), so this is not about that, it is about making ridiculous implications, which was done in post # 33
 
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well, when one implies that a person wearing a ac dc t shirt to church would also lie and steal is using a pretty big judgemental brush.

by the way, I would never go to church in a t-shirt, I believe in "sunday dress up " ( lived in Georgia all my like ), so this is not about that, it is about making ridiculous implications, which was done in post # 33
Wonderful! I get to repost!

In some churches, they dress like they're meeting the Queen of England. Fit to kill. Overdone. Showing off their success by rollin'up in their big car. Same group will buy their pastor a new Town Car, cause they want their pastor to look good. They think others judge them by how they doll up their pastor. This is immodest, prideful, arrogant, & sinful.

Then there's the other end of the spectrum. Men showing up in their AC/DC T-shirts, torn jeans, & biker boots, lookin' like a "bad boy". Women wear their yoga pants, & think because their hips are covered up, that's OK.

That's not modest, either.

Neither are the old gals who think they're proper in their partially see-thru white blouses showing their underclothes. Eeewww.

Whatever draws the attention to you draws it away from Christ.

The trouble with immodesty is it can promote glory stealing from God, & that's really bad. Note the scripture:

Matt 23:1Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; 3therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them. 4“They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger.5“But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments. 6“They love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7and respectful greetings in the market places, and being called Rabbi by men. 8“But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9“Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10“Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. 11“But the greatest among you shall be your servant. 12“Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.

Immodesty promotes glory stealing, hypocrisy, lying, lusting & other sins, & pride is at it's core.

I made the effort to explain that those that dressed to kill, not those on the other end of the spectrum, was stealing God's glory.

Glory stealing, not a common thief.
:)
 

kaylagrl

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well, when one implies that a person wearing a ac dc t shirt to church would also lie and steal is using a pretty big judgemental brush.

by the way, I would never go to church in a t-shirt, I believe in "sunday dress up " ( lived in Georgia all my like ), so this is not about that, it is about making ridiculous implications, which was done in post # 33


I dont think he said stealing, he said glory stealing. Not sure whether I agree with the others.
 

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this post is for Stephen , in reference to his post # 33

you see, the first part of what you said was fine, the thing about this stuff coming from pride is fine, but to say that " immodesty leads to stealing, immorality, lying " is judgemental non-sense. that type stuff is why I would sit outside in the rain under a tree and read my Bible and pray before I would set foot in one of these judgemental, control freak, houses of hypocrites.
You're disbeying Heb 10:25. Go to church.

Look at Matt 7 - the majority of his followers would take the broad way that leads to destruction. We can fairly assume the majority of people in church, though they might look clean, will go to hell. Yet there are a few who are true. Go to church and find those few.
 
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If I dress & act like a rich man, I'm living a lie, acting a part, not being honest at all.