Demons

[HealthAndHappiness]

Job was a 42 chapter book that gives descriptions on the power and abilities of Devils/ demons.

Satan modified atmospheric powers to kill Job's children with shear winds from 4 directions. BTW, people still have trouble believing that can happen. We see him using technologies through people to bring destruction today. There's no reason to doubt that he still
uses some sort of angelic power to do likewise.
Satan sent his armies to kill Job's servants and steal all his livestock.
He also tried to discourage Job by speaking through his wife. We don't know if it was possession or influence as we saw with Peter speaking against the Lord's purpose and plan to die for the sins of humanity.

Although not expressly described, it would be reasonable to believe that he influenced or moved Jobs friends to bring him down as well.

Having experienced multiple tragedies and severe traumatic experiences last year, I can attest that Job went through even more; but easily could have died from the stress, depression, PTSD, and despair.

For all of those attacks, Satan never indwelt this believer, Job.

 

[Daisy2]

Another view,
Acts16: 16 One day as we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl with a spirit of divination, who earned a large income for her masters by fortune-telling. 17This girl followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation!” 18She continued this for many days. Eventually Paul grew so aggravated that he turned and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” And the spirit left her at that very moment.…

This woman was demon possessed she fought against Paul and that the difference. Similarly christian all have people in our lives who fight against us.

 

[Caan]

keepingthingsreal ,
Excellent thread topic!!
Honored Posters excellent discussion !!

Can a Christian have a demon dwelling inside of them?
Yes

With your grace, I am constrained to share experience here as part of an 11 person
active deliverance team.

We( the team) have deliverance sessions scheduled 4 days a week
and are 3 months backlogged.
When I first joined the team 4 years ago we were 6 months backlogged.

I estimate 90% of the people we minister to are born again, baptized, professing,
church/home group attending christians.

 

[Gideon300]

Christ Jesus won, not Satan.

No demon can inhabit a born again believer.

That is a lie from the devil. And you have no biblical justification for your statement. It's blinding obvious from the Word that our real enemy is Satan. He can only be in one place at one time. He has vast numbers of demons to do his bidding. I've been delivered myself. I know the great freedom that comes with deliverance. I've cast demons out of others. It's not hard. Jesus gave His authority and power to His disciples and to all who are born again. It's a tragedy that so many live in bondage when Jesus came to set the captives free.

Demons did not automatically flee when Jesus came into the presence of the bound person. They do not automatically depart when a person gets saved.

 

[Gideon300]

Christ Jesus won, not Satan.

No demon can inhabit a born again believer.

Show me that from scripture. Do you believe that Ananias was born again? It seems clear enough to me that he was. Ananias allowed Satan to "fill his heart" so that he lied about the sale of his property. If Satan can fill the heart of a believer, so can demons.

 

[Karlon]

i received a bunch of disagreements on the above statement of mine. i'm willing to learn. maybe i am believing incorrectly of what i was taught. so i ask for help in this. thank you all CC members.

 

[GWH]

Demons can and do occupy the soul. One of Satan's great lies is that Christians can't have a demon. That means fighting the wrong enemy so you'll never get free. The church has become pathetic over the decades. One reason is that Christians are not taught that deliverance is necessary and more than possible.

Demons did not automatically flee when Jesus was present in person. So why would they flee when a person s born again? Jesus commanded the evil spirit to depart. He commanded His disciples to do as He did.

The statement of Jesus in Luke11:24-26 may be applicable.
It suggests that those who call Jesus Lord but do not become filled with the HS
allow the devil to destroy their lives (cf. Luke6:46-49).

 

[GWH]

Show me that from scripture. Do you believe that Ananias was born again? It seems clear enough to me that he was. Ananias allowed Satan to "fill his heart" so that he lied about the sale of his property. If Satan can fill the heart of a believer, so can demons.

Perhaps the harmonization of your twos semantics is indicated by James 4:7, "Submit yourselves to God [thereby] resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

 

[Gideon300]

Perhaps the harmonization of your twos semantics is indicated by James 4:7, "Submit yourselves to God [thereby] resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

True, but many Christians do not know how to resist the devil. That is clear from conversations I've had on this forum as well as irl.

 

[Gideon300]

The statement of Jesus in Luke11:24-26 may be applicable.
It suggests that those who call Jesus Lord but do not become filled with the HS
allow the devil to destroy their lives (cf. Luke6:46-49).

I was born with an occult spirit. I won't bore you with the details. I was born again shortly before my 21'st birthday in 1972. I was baptised in the Holy Spirit Christmas Eve, 1974. I'd been saved about 10 years before the occult spirit was revealed through the gift of discernment of spirits. I've been delivered of other evil spirits, with immediate relief from terrible bondage. I am only interested in seeing God's people set free, not point scoring about doctrine.

 

[Gideon300]

Christians have demonic attacks. Agree that the Holy Spirit dwells in a Christian. Can a Christian succumb to a demonic attack? If so, does a demon dwell in him then? Until the demon is cast out? For example, think of an alcoholic or a porn addict.

Most addictions are demonic. I was tormented day and night until a demon was cast out of me. There is a demon of nicotine, hard as it may be to understand. A friend of mine could not give up until he was delivered. He quit immediately and never looked back.

 

[GWH]

I was born with an occult spirit. I won't bore you with the details. I was born again shortly before my 21'st birthday in 1972. I was baptised in the Holy Spirit Christmas Eve, 1974. I'd been saved about 10 years before the occult spirit was revealed through the gift of discernment of spirits. I've been delivered of other evil spirits, with immediate relief from terrible bondage. I am only interested in seeing God's people set free, not point scoring about doctrine.

Eph.5:18 indicates that demon drug is incompatible with being filled with the HS.
(Great minds think alike, I see :^)

 

[HeIsHere]

For all of those attacks, Satan never indwelt this believer, Job.

Exactly. Thank you.

 

[HeIsHere]

For all of those attacks, Satan never indwelt this believer, Job.

A biblical response, not based on subjective personal experience.

 

[CS1]

What a mess. People don't know the difference between possessed & oppressed.
True Christians can't be possessed no way, shape, or form.
But they can be oppressed, which is Satan controlling from the outside.

That was not the qestion the thread asked. Yes, Christian can be oppressed; however,

The qestion was "Can a Christian have a demon dwelling inside of them? "

The answer is no.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Well that is the state we are in these days.

That's what "Daemonizimai" states.

 

[bluejean_bible]

Job was a 42 chapter book that gives descriptions on the power and abilities of Devils/ demons.

Satan modified atmospheric powers to kill Job's children with shear winds from 4 directions. BTW, people still have trouble believing that can happen. We see him using technologies through people to bring destruction today. There's no reason to doubt that he still
uses some sort of angelic power to do likewise.
Satan sent his armies to kill Job's servants and steal all his livestock.
He also tried to discourage Job by speaking through his wife. We don't know if it was possession or influence as we saw with Peter speaking against the Lord's purpose and plan to die for the sins of humanity.

Although not expressly described, it would be reasonable to believe that he influenced or moved Jobs friends to bring him down as well.

Having experienced multiple tragedies and severe traumatic experiences last year, I can attest that Job went through even more; but easily could have died from the stress, depression, PTSD, and despair.

For all of those attacks, Satan never indwelt this believer, Job.

Of course not. Else,he would be attacking himself.
All those things Satan did was with permission of God.

God. Omniscient God. Who made a wager with Satan regarding the depths of Job's faithfulness to God.

Satan didn't reenter Heaven by God's invitation.

Satan entered Heaven after his fall from there and by his own choice. With God's permission. Having followed his brother angels in. Job 1.

God knew he was there.

He didn't incinerate him for his trespass. He conversed with Satan. Because God gives Satan permission.

Satan,by God's will and plan,is lord of this world he was cast down to. And he is also the prince of the power of the air.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

A biblical response, not based on subjective personal experience.

I've had some serious personal experiences when I never expected them, but I wouldn't use them to base my doctrinal beliefs. They may be illustrative, but I try to be careful not to use experience to convince others of extra Biblical belief. I strive to prove all things by the Word and make distinctions from opinions.

 

[HeIsHere]

I've had some serious personal experiences when I never expected them, but I wouldn't use them to base my doctrinal beliefs. They may be illustrative, but I try to be careful not to use experience to convince others of extra Biblical belief. I strive to prove all things by the Word and make distinctions from opinions.

Agree and so important.

Like @CS1 there is a big difference between outside oppression and inward dwelling.

As well, how do we know that the person who "supposedly" indwelt by a demon was born again.
There are many posers these days and they know all the right words and actions.

I cannot believe for one nano-second that God is so impotent to not be able to protect His children from demonic possession.

I think the OP who was here and left, and left, and left again, tried to differentiate demonic indwelling and demonic possession, I find that to be false dichotomy.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Agree and so important.

Like @CS1 there is a big difference between outside oppression and inward dwelling.

As well, how do we know that the person who "supposedly" indwelt by a demon was born again.
There are many posers these days and they know all the right words and actions.

I cannot believe for one nano-second that God is so impotent to not be able to protect His children from demonic possession.

I think the OP who was here and left, and left, and left again, tried to differentiate demonic indwelling and demonic possession, I find that to be false dichotomy.

Here's an example to illustrate your point.
Last year a man I occasionally see at the store approached me. He described his overwhelming problems with demonic attacks. He had lucid nightmares nearly every night and was afraid to sleep, ect. Then we had to go our separate ways. He was seeking help from voodoo shamen, deliverance ministers and felt desperately in danger.

I prayed that the Lord would bring us together soon in a place where we'd be free of distraction and time constraint. I normally see him once every blue moon. A few days later I'm walking across the parking lot to the store and he approaches me!

He asked for prayer and was visibly upset. He said he believed that he was demon possessed. There was a bench next to us on the sidewalk and I told him that he can be delivered of them right now. We sat down in that quiet spot out of the way while I opened my Bible and led him to Christ.
Praise the Lord he got saved!
He has since had no more nightmares or voices.

That doesn't really prove anything, but is one of the experiences to illustrate the consistency with what you explained.