Denying Obama's Christianity - Please give me a verse on your authority?

[David_1]

Please provide proof in Biblical reference that gives a person authority to deny that Obama is a saved Christian.

If you cannot, then you must accept that he is, and that people who claim the opposite are heretics.

Please cite a Bible verse that gives you the authority to make a declarative statement that he is not a Christian.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

I do not know much about Obama...and I really do not find it needful to judge him as sealed by The Holy Spirit or not. I am sure God has allowed Obama to be in his position for a reason...and such matters do not apply to me...except to pray for him.

2 Timothy 2 New King James Version (NKJV)

Be Strong in Grace
2*You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2*And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. 3*You therefore must endure[a] hardship as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. 4*No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier. 5*And also if anyone competes in athletics, he is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules. 6*The hardworking farmer must be first to partake of the crops. 7*Consider what I say, and may the Lord give you understanding in all things.

 

[JonahLynx]

I doubt anyone could say with certainty whether Obama is saved or not without experience with his day-to-day, personal life.

 

[crossnote]

Whoever would sit under Rev.Wright for 20 years...not a good indicator.
Whoever has been so adamantly in support of the slaughter of the unborn...not a good sign.
Who ever supports an institution of marriage that is 180deg from God's prescription...ehhhh.

I could go on, but in short if it doesn't walk like a duck or quack like a duck, or swim like a duck...it probably ain't a duck.

 

[andypro]

Please provide proof in Biblical reference that gives a person authority to deny that Obama is a saved Christian.

If you cannot, then you must accept that he is, and that people who claim the opposite are heretics.

Please cite a Bible verse that gives you the authority to make a declarative statement that he is not a Christian.

You must accept that he is????

Wait, you're saying that we must accept that Obama IS a Christian because he says he is?? Is that really what you believe the standard is?

A better way to phrase your second line would have been "If you cannot, then you must accept that we don't know for sure one way or the other" (NOTE: you still would have been wrong, but your wrongness would have been phrased better).

And to the 3rd line, I'll ask you: Please cite a Bible verse that gives YOU the authority to make a declarative statement that he IS a Christian? (see what I did there? I turned it right around on you)

I guess your point is that if someone says they are a certain religion, we have no right to claim otherwise. HOWEVER, hasn't President Obama been doing the same thing? For the last 6 years, time and time and time again he's been telling us that people who call themselves Muslims are not really Muslims.

Shouldn't you be calling President Obama out on that?

 

[Utah]

Whoever would sit under Rev.Wright for 20 years...not a good indicator.
Whoever has been so adamantly in support of the slaughter of the unborn...not a good sign.
Who ever supports an institution of marriage that is 180deg from God's prescription...ehhhh.

I could go on, but in short if it doesn't walk like a duck or quack like a duck, or swim like a duck...it probably ain't a duck.

Never chose a congregation to worship in since taking office.
Last year did not attend the National Day of Prayer services.
Demanded crosses and pictures of Jesus be covered when he gave a speech at Georgetown University.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

 

[blue_ladybug]

considering that Obama mocks christianity at every turn, I find it doubtful that he is a christian himself.. jmo

 

[4enlightment]

Please provide proof in Biblical reference that gives a person authority to deny that Obama is a saved Christian.

If you cannot, then you must accept that he is, and that people who claim the opposite are heretics.

Please cite a Bible verse that gives you the authority to make a declarative statement that he is not a Christian.

This how you know if someone is a Christian.

John 13:35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

<strong>[video=youtube_share;7CobNWUXb1M]http://youtu.be/7CobNWUXb1M[/video]

 

[santuzza]

None of us have the "authority" to declare that Obama is not a Christian. But guess what? None of us have the "authority" to declare that Obama IS a Christian, either. Works both ways.

John 13:35 seems like a pretty good standard to me. I think one could also look to see if a fellow Christian exhibits the fruit of the spirit -- if that's not there, that's a pretty good indicator as well.

 

[santuzza]

Let me also add that if anyone tells me they are a Christian, I take them at their word. But as time goes by, and I witness that person's actions, God has given us mature Christians the wisdom and discernment to see if that person is walking in the Spirit. We also have biblical standards by which we can judge (discern) a person's walk. That is a completely different question altogether.

Obama may have, at some point in his life, made a decision for Christ. No one but he and God know. But I think discerning Christians can easily tell that the man is not walking in the Spirit and living his life for Christ.

 

[Lynx]

None of us have the "authority" to declare that Obama is not a Christian. But guess what? None of us have the "authority" to declare that Obama IS a Christian, either. Works both ways.

John 13:35 seems like a pretty good standard to me. I think one could also look to see if a fellow Christian exhibits the fruit of the spirit -- if that's not there, that's a pretty good indicator as well.

EXACTLY!

There's a better question than the OP, and one that renders this whole thread moot. Is it profitable to prove Obama is or is not a christian? He has already been elected for a second term - I didn't vote for him but he's there. Also he cannot be elected for a third term. Proving he is or is not a christian is at this point a waste of time and dissipation of energy that could be used better elsewhere.

If he is a christian, what will we do about it?

If he's not a christian, what will we do about it?

There's nothing to be done. He's already in office and nobody can really influence whether he gets elected again or not.

 

[kaylagrl]

Please provide proof in Biblical reference that gives a person authority to deny that Obama is a saved Christian.

If you cannot, then you must accept that he is, and that people who claim the opposite are heretics.

Please cite a Bible verse that gives you the authority to make a declarative statement that he is not a Christian.

By their fruits you shall know them Matt 7:16

 

[Lynx]

I like the effort of this thread though. Calling Obama-haters heretics is probably a bit much, but I do get tired of all the vile, virulent, vitriolic vituperation heaped on the president's head. Over and over and over and over and over...

 

[JesusLives]

The Bible does say that God sets up leaders so the current president does serve a purpose in God's plan even if it is to martial in the end of times faster.....The better thing for us to concern ourselves with is are we a real Christian or not? Are we serving the Lord to the best of our abilities to help further the gospel allowing Jesus to return since it is written this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world and then the end will come....

There are a lot of fake Christians out there in the real world which kind are we or Obama? Only God knows the heart and we would only be judging from the outside as that is all we can see. But then Bible says judge not lest ye be judged....according to the way you are judging....Do we really want to stand up to our measure of judgment? Probably not.....

 

[SeaBass]

Please provide proof in Biblical reference that gives a person authority to deny that Obama is a saved Christian.

If you cannot, then you must accept that he is, and that people who claim the opposite are heretics.

Please cite a Bible verse that gives you the authority to make a declarative statement that he is not a Christian.

1 Jn 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

Mt 7 you can know a person by the fruit they bear.

To be a Christian, one must believe, Jn 8:24; repent, Lk 13:3,5; confess, Rom 10:9,10; be water baptized for remission of sins Acts 2:38. Then as a Christian one must do good works, obeying Christ's words, keeping Christ's works, be faithful, Eph 2:10; Jn 5:38; Rev 2:26; Rev 2:10.

Has Obama done this?

Is Obama denying ungodliness as homosexuality, the murder of infants? If not, is anyone bidding God speed to Obama in these evil deeds by voting for him thereby partaking part in these evil deeds? 2 Jn 1:10,11.

 

[Lynx]

Someone seems to have missed the part about futility due to not being able to vote him into office any more...

 

[tribesman]

Please provide proof in Biblical reference that gives a person authority to deny that Obama is a saved Christian.

If you cannot, then you must accept that he is, and that people who claim the opposite are heretics.

Please cite a Bible verse that gives you the authority to make a declarative statement that he is not a Christian.

What is to gather from your bizarre post is: agree with my opinion, else you're a heretic.

Hope for p_rehbein or Tintin to fill out the blanks below. I'm tired 'tis stuff.

 

[JaumeJ]

Who has made any believer a judge of such things? We are to judge, indeed, however ony for ourselves what is correct. The pivoal words here are "for ourselves." Fo our Salvation has come to each of us in the manner truly needed for each. Judging another's salvation is not to be done. One may treat another as a non-believer if that person sins and does not repent, but even this privilege is not final judgment. Let us work out our own Salvation in fear and trembling and jdge not in this manner, lest we are judged with the same severity. Jesus Christ came to forgive, not to condemn. Let us follow His Example without vainly attempting to replace His Example with ourselves. God bless all in Jesus Christ.

 

[royalscot]

Matthew 7: Judging Others
1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye?5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

why do we need other brothers or sister to defend a principle, that is a basic teaching, even if your correct, in your speculation, against anyone, how dose this cut you off. so when dose sin cut you off from grace, or is the lesson, no body is perfect , and if god forgives your flaws ,how can we pick fault in others. etc

 

[Utah]

I like the effort of this thread though. Calling Obama-haters heretics is probably a bit much, but I do get tired of all the vile, virulent, vitriolic vituperation heaped on the president's head. Over and over and over and over and over...

Seriously, obama has been handled with kid gloves. If every single action, flub and scandal of obama's was that of George Bush then you'd really see vituperation. Come to think of it, we already have.

Now back to the OP.