Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[Rufus]

For those who wish insight and better understanding as to why Satan asked of the Lord permission to hurt Job.........

The problem is with providing an answer?
Its going to invite negative diversion to get our mind away from what was said.

Ok then...

Here is an insight that may take some time to think with understanding. For it must be concluded
with enough doctrinal information to understand it.

And? Guaranteed: Those who are agents of false teaching will want to get our concentration scattered quickly as they can.
Can we agree to stick what is going to be said, and not lose sight of it?

“Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around ​

him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, ​

so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But now stretch out your ​

hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.” Job 1:9-11​

Considering all the importance, authority, and power of those involved?
Why was Satan wanting to make such a major issue out of simply getting Job to curse God to his face?

The problem began with Satan himself.

For when Satan first rebelled against God? God being the Father He is?
Chastened Satan as a son in a desire to get Satan to come to his senses and repent.
God wanted to restore Satan if Satan was to be willing to be made corrected.

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In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding ​

your blood, striving against sin. ​

And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:​

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“My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord,​

Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;​

For whom the Lord loves He chastens,​

And scourges every son whom He receives.” Hebrews 12:4-6​

Scourging was punishment that came close to skinning one alive. Most painful.
Meant to break down all resistance, arrogance, and pride if one could be humbled by the experience.

I can not speak for anyone else.

But after I got saved? God scourged me. I was put through some very depressing, painful, and personal
dark revelations about myself which were designed to wipe any chance for self pride to remain in me.
Such scourging, that God knows perfectly how to inflict, I believe, is why some want to cling so tightly
to the concept of total depravity of man. It makes them feel they are not alone and we are all as messed
up as they found themselves to be. Its comforting to know its not just yourself.

Well.... Satan rebelled in some prehistoric time.

God scourged Satan after he rebelled. Which eventually resulted in the judgment and utter destruction of the
prehistoric world. A world that Satan and his angels were included in having dominion over. Just like Adam was
given dominion over our present created world.

Satan at some point became arrogant and exalted himself, making himself to feeling to be all powerful over the
prehistoric world. That was when God as a Father was caused by God to chasten/hurt Satan terribly in hopes of
knocking Satan back into his senses.

Instead of repentance? Satan cursed the Lord to his face!

That was the time when Satan was thrown down to earth like lightning!
Which some scientist today hypothesize as the reason why dinosaurs went extinct after a great asteroid impacted the earth!
For Satan was a light bearing angel, and used to herald in the mornings of the prehistoric world!

Afterwards? And, refusing to repent?
Satan gossiped among all the angels that if God made them each suffer as he was made to suffer?
Suffer the same way under the hand of God? That, they too, would have done the same thing.
That they.... would have also cursed the Lord to his face!

That is why Satan was so determined to prove his point with Job. That he was truly justified in having cursed
the Lord to his face. Which was to be proven by using Job by placing Job under great undeserved suffering.
Resulting in Job inevitably cursing God to his face!

Instead? Job put Satan to shame.
Job left Satan to be without excuse.

That is why maturing Christians will have times of what is called 'undeserved suffering.'
For our testimony during those times are being witnessed to by the angels who study what we do.

Some say? Insight is always so simple?

It requires much learning and study, and having consistent guidance by the Spirit to be led into what
one could have never have thought of for themselves if they had been functioning on their own emotions.

Grace is the inner energy that God works in us to make us become what He desires to see us to become all to His glory!

Now... Any questions?


grace and peace ...............

Eccl 5:7
7 Much dreaming and many words are meaningless....
NIV

 

[Rufus]

It was not my question...

Where you been?

I learn from others.[/QUOTE]

I take it that would have to be in 3 speeds in your case: Slow, Slower and Slowest.

 

[Genez]

Eccl 5:7
7 Much dreaming and many words are meaningless....
NIV

You are are proving me to be 100% correct..
when I said the following before giving my answer..

The problem is with providing an answer?
Its going to invite negative diversion to get our mind away from what was said.

You proved me to be correct.
You offer nothing of substance.

Perhaps all those who want to learn more should agree to put you on Ignore?

May God bless....

 

[Genez]

Job 1:9-11

“Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around ​

him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, ​

so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But now stretch out your ​

hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.​

Why was Satan wanting to make such a major issue out of simply getting Job to curse God to his face?

The problem was with with Satan himself.

For when Satan first rebelled against God?
God being the Father over all the angels that He is?
Chastened Satan.
Chastened him as a son in a desire to get Satan to come to his senses and repent.
God wanted to restore Satan by punishment.

​

And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses ​

you as a father addresses his son? ​

It says,​

​

“My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord,​

Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;​

For whom the Lord loves He chastens,​

And scourges every son whom He receives.” Hebrews 12:5-6​

Scourging back then was punishment that came close to skinning one alive. Most painful.
It was meant to break down all resistance, arrogance, and pride if one could be humbled by the experience.

Satan rebelled at some point in prehistoric time.

God as a Father then scourged Satan after he rebelled, in God's desire to correct him.
But Satan refused and it eventually resulted in the judgment of Satan, and the utter destruction of the prehistoric world.
A world that Satan and his angels were included in, by having dominion over. Just like Adam was given dominion over our
present created world.

Before his fall Satan at some point became arrogant and exalted himself, making himself to feeling to be all powerful over the
prehistoric world. That was when God as a Father was caused to chasten/hurt Satan terribly, in hopes of knocking Satan back into his senses.

Instead of repentance when made to hurt? Satan cursed the Lord to his face!

That is why Satan was so determined to prove his point with Job. That he was truly justified in having cursed
the Lord to his face. Which was to be proven by using Job being placed Job under great (undeserved) suffering.
Satan figured would result in Job cursing God to his face!

Instead? Job put Satan to shame.
Job kept giving God the glory in his pain!

Job left Satan to be without excuse.

That is why maturing Christians will have times of what is called 'undeserved suffering.'
For our testimony during those times, are being witnessed to by the angels who study what we do
to learn a lesson as God would have them to learn by observation and in truth
.


grace and peace ...............

 

[Magenta]

That's why He screamed out... "My God! My God! Why have you forsaken me?"

Most NT usages of the word scream are demonic utterances or anti-Christ exclamations.

By quoting Psalm 22, Jesus was showing yet again that He was the promised Messiah who fulfilled the Scriptures.

 

[Genez]

Most NT usages of the word scream are demonic utterances or anti-Christ exclamations.

By quoting Psalm 22, Jesus was showing yet again that He was the promised Messiah who fulfilled the Scriptures.

Demons are always in agony...
They scream out because of their agony.

If you understood they utter agony of his soul?
His "screaming out" was totally acceptable.


The Greek indicates what He was exclaiming was not simply rhetorical...

Would you like to be taught from the Greek and Hebrew texts?
It would be most helpful in getting the richness of what was written.





..... .... thank you Lord for coffee!

(freshly ground and organic).

 

[Magenta]

Demons are always in agony...
They scream out because of their agony.

Where is this taught in Scripture?

The Greek indicates what He was exclaiming was not simply rhetorical...

Would you like to be taught from the Greek and Hebrew texts?
It would be most helpful in getting the richness of what was written.

Who said anything about rhetorical... besides you?

Jesus was quoting the 22nd Psalm, which prophesied with great detail the particulars of His crucifixion.

I don't see anything about that being for style or effect, rather than truth, substance, or meaning.

Nor was He forsaken of God. For he has not despised or abhorred the affliction of the
afflicted, and He has not hidden His face from Him, but has heard, when He cried to Him.

Since Jesus said and did everything for our benefit, He was expressing the agony of the lost when
they face God in judgment, knowing their rebellion ends in the second (everlasting) death.

Deuteronomy 31:8

 

[maxamir]

Atheism exists, Mormonism exists, Islam exists, of course there is no proof, but their belief system exists. smh





Of course he has the power to!! But He doesn't!! The Bible DOES NOT say God created a people for the sole purpose of going to hell !! We have a choice and we choose life or death. THAT is what the Bible says!





But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Who gave himself a ransom for ALL

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that ALL should reach repentance.

Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked

For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God; so turn, and live.

This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of ALL people

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

“Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.



Sigh, you just talk don't you? You don't read a thing. No one said sinners weren't in need of saving grace. smh

once again you deny the sovereignty of God in salvation and the doctrine of original sin by foolishly thinking that spiritually dead men can choose God when Scripture clearly states that men by their depraved nature hate God and do not seek after Him or want to choose Him unless God grants to give them new hearts to do so as is clearly shown in Ezekiel's picture of the valley of dry dead bones which only God can make alive and which was done by grace, through faith in Christ Jesus who came to secure salvation for His people and not simply make salvation possible for dead people who you foolishly think can choose Him to save themselves!

Until you submit to the truth that God has chosen to save some people purely according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which has absolutely nothing to do with the person or what they do, then you are deceived into believing a false gospel and a false Christ and also deny the doctrine of the Trinity in which the whole Godhead is involved in the salvation of sinners chosen before the foundation of the world.

All deserve only justice from God and thank God He has chosen to give non-justice to some in the form of righteous mercy wrought for them in the cross of Christ and it is only these He desires to save. The rest are given justice by way of their sin to the praise of the glory of God's goodness found in His holy, righteous, just, eternal wrath which you do not yet believe in and somehow think that God loves those He eternally torments when He has decreed all things including their just demise for His glory.

Pro 16:4 The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.

Psa 92:7 When the wicked spring up like grass, And when all the workers of iniquity flourish, It is that they may be destroyed forever.

Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,

Jud 1:4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[maxamir]

OK.. what has that got to do with those in the forum?

the Gospel is the greatest news this world has and will ever know, therefore, those who undermine and pervert the Gospel in any way , whether wilfully or not are guilty of committing the most evil act in the world and are confirmed in Scripture as being more accountable than others, are doubly accursed and will wish they were never born at all.

This is why I sincerely and lovingly seek to correct those like yourself here who are gravely in error and try do so according to Scripture for it is given for this purpose.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.