Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Found this website that compares the teaching of Jesus and Paul. They both taught the same. This is just a small extract.
Jesus is the Son of God
JESUS: All of them asked, "Are you, then, the Son of God?" He said to them, "You say that I am". Then they said, "What further testimony do we need? We have heard it ourselves from his own lips!" (Luke 22:70-71)
PAUL: Immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, "He is the Son of God". (Acts 9:20)
Jesus is Lord
JESUS: You call me Teacher and Lord - and you are right, for that is what I am. (John 13:13)
PAUL: There is... one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6)
Jesus is God
JESUS: Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe". (John 20:28-29)
PAUL: From them, according to the flesh, comes the Messiah, who is over all, God blessed forever. (Romans 9:5)
God sent Jesus
JESUS: I cam from God and now I am here. I did not come on my own, but he sent me. (John 8:42)
PAUL: For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: by sending his own Son. (Romans 8:3)
Jesus is the way to the Father
JESUS: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)
PAUL: Through him both of us have access in one Spirit to the Father. (Ephesians 2:18)
Jesus is King
JESUS: Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my followers would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here". Pilate asked him, "So you are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king". (John 18:36-37)
PAUL: No fornicator or impure person, or one who is greedy (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ. (Ephesians 5:5)
https://www.answering-islam.org/Wales/jesus_paul.htm
Jesus is the Son of God
JESUS: All of them asked, "Are you, then, the Son of God?" He said to them, "You say that I am". Then they said, "What further testimony do we need? We have heard it ourselves from his own lips!" (Luke 22:70-71)
PAUL: Immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, "He is the Son of God". (Acts 9:20)
Jesus is Lord
JESUS: You call me Teacher and Lord - and you are right, for that is what I am. (John 13:13)
PAUL: There is... one Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6)
Jesus is God
JESUS: Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe". (John 20:28-29)
PAUL: From them, according to the flesh, comes the Messiah, who is over all, God blessed forever. (Romans 9:5)
God sent Jesus
JESUS: I cam from God and now I am here. I did not come on my own, but he sent me. (John 8:42)
PAUL: For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: by sending his own Son. (Romans 8:3)
Jesus is the way to the Father
JESUS: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)
PAUL: Through him both of us have access in one Spirit to the Father. (Ephesians 2:18)
Jesus is King
JESUS: Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my followers would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here". Pilate asked him, "So you are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king". (John 18:36-37)
PAUL: No fornicator or impure person, or one who is greedy (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ. (Ephesians 5:5)
https://www.answering-islam.org/Wales/jesus_paul.htm
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I believe that "the law" Paul was referring to was the "talmud." The "torah", is the 1rst 5 books of the O.T. The "talmud", however, were traditions of man reinterpretings, and transliteralizings of the Torah. With a few "home made" laws sprinkled in. As pride, and the lust for power, and the needs of holding on to it, infiltrated the Priesthood!
This is why the scribes and Pharasees, and Suducees, HATED Jesus so much! Because He was trying to give the authority these people had stripped FROM God, and was giving it back to God!
This is why the scribes and Pharasees, and Suducees, HATED Jesus so much! Because He was trying to give the authority these people had stripped FROM God, and was giving it back to God!
Do you think that being led by the spirit is the same as being led to disregard what we are told by Moses is the law? Do you think that these explanations of law are against the laws of the spirit of the Lord? Your posts stand as opposed to Moses, but if you finish reading what Paul says, if you read his conclusions of his reasoning you find that Paul was not against Moses at all.
Paul is not only for the law as Moses gives it, but Paul wants it to be part of our thoughts and desires and not as legalistic obedience.
Paul is not only for the law as Moses gives it, but Paul wants it to be part of our thoughts and desires and not as legalistic obedience.
Bait question. I'm not playing your game.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death.
If? I have read all of Paul's letters many times. You're playing semantics. This isn't about being "against Moses". It's about whether we as Christians are under the Law.
Where in Scripture does it say anything like this?
It seems that you start by trying to figure out how to obey the Law, assuming that you are still under it. I start with the understanding that in Christ, I am free from the Law. We aren't going to get to the same place, because there is no common ground. A person is either under the Law--all of it--or they are not under the Law. I don't look to the Law to find out how to please God; I trust that in Christ, I am already pleasing to Him.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death.
If? I have read all of Paul's letters many times. You're playing semantics. This isn't about being "against Moses". It's about whether we as Christians are under the Law.
Where in Scripture does it say anything like this?
It seems that you start by trying to figure out how to obey the Law, assuming that you are still under it. I start with the understanding that in Christ, I am free from the Law. We aren't going to get to the same place, because there is no common ground. A person is either under the Law--all of it--or they are not under the Law. I don't look to the Law to find out how to please God; I trust that in Christ, I am already pleasing to Him.
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"Led to disregard" is not the same as "taught to understand the difference" between the Old and the New Covenant. So if you are suggesting that there is no difference, you are the one contradicting the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit Himself who teaches Christians that there is a DRASTIC DIFFERENCE between the Old and New Covenants. and it is all because of the supreme and ultimate sacrifice of Christ.
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This is what most traditional denominations (mine included) teach: "there is no conflict between Jesus and Paul". Well, Paul was a mere spokesman, so it's better to say "differences between Jesus BC and Jesus AC" (before the cross and after the cross)and we have to admit that there are differences.
Jesus BC preached to the Jews and Jesus AC preached to the Gentiles. Jesus BC preached, for example, obedience to the scribes and Pharisees whereas Jesus AC said His followers were no longer under the law of Moses (no need for teachers of the Law)..
Note: There was a long transition period between the Old and the New Covenant. The Council of Jerusalem took place some 15 years after the resurrection of the Lord Jesus.
Jesus BC preached to the Jews and Jesus AC preached to the Gentiles. Jesus BC preached, for example, obedience to the scribes and Pharisees whereas Jesus AC said His followers were no longer under the law of Moses (no need for teachers of the Law)..
Note: There was a long transition period between the Old and the New Covenant. The Council of Jerusalem took place some 15 years after the resurrection of the Lord Jesus.
Many of the people who participate in this forum subscribe to covenant theology so they will find it very hard to accept dispensationalism. It is considered heresy for them to say that Jesus on earth and his 12 disciples preached a different gospel from what Paul did.
As far as CT goes, the covenant of grace started after Adam sinned against God. And every covenant after that, even the law covenant that begun thru Moses, are seen in the light of Jesus's death on the cross. They believed that every believer after Adam was saved by grace thru faith in Jesus's DBR.
As far as CT goes, the covenant of grace started after Adam sinned against God. And every covenant after that, even the law covenant that begun thru Moses, are seen in the light of Jesus's death on the cross. They believed that every believer after Adam was saved by grace thru faith in Jesus's DBR.
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Some of what Christ taught was directly applicable to the Old Covenant, e.g. paying the temple tax. Most of what He taught was not, and the Gospel of John is almost exclusively universal in its teachings.
Indeed, in John's Gospel "the Jews" are shown as a distinct entity from Christ and the apostles and hostile to Him.
Indeed, in John's Gospel "the Jews" are shown as a distinct entity from Christ and the apostles and hostile to Him.
Jesus appointed Paul. His teaching came from Jesus. Paul spent three years in Arabia being taught by him, almost the same time
as the other Disciples. Jesus predicted the destruction of the Temple in Matthew 24. Without the temple the Law of Moses cannot be kept. The Mosaic Law consisted of a complete covenant and system, a contract between God and Man. It couldn't be divided into
parts. The New Covenant replaced the Mosaic Covenant although both existed until the Temple was abolished. A transition period between Christs resurrection and the The Temples abolition was in place to give that generation a chance to repent and accept Christ as Lord and to establish the New Covenant and Church.
as the other Disciples. Jesus predicted the destruction of the Temple in Matthew 24. Without the temple the Law of Moses cannot be kept. The Mosaic Law consisted of a complete covenant and system, a contract between God and Man. It couldn't be divided into
parts. The New Covenant replaced the Mosaic Covenant although both existed until the Temple was abolished. A transition period between Christs resurrection and the The Temples abolition was in place to give that generation a chance to repent and accept Christ as Lord and to establish the New Covenant and Church.
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Almost three decades ago a friend of mine set out to give away his material assets because "that was a commandment from Jesus". He gave away almost everything he had and started living off his friends. He quit his job as an airline pilot because Jesus had nowhere to lay His head and he wanted to follow the Lord.
When hunger struck him he went to work (as a pilot) for the greatest false prophet of South America, Edir Macedo. Nobody knew at that time that, on His earthly ministry, Jesus was reinterpreting the law of Moses and that the way for salvation was preached after the cross (by the risen Jesus) through His spokesman, the apostle Paul.
When hunger struck him he went to work (as a pilot) for the greatest false prophet of South America, Edir Macedo. Nobody knew at that time that, on His earthly ministry, Jesus was reinterpreting the law of Moses and that the way for salvation was preached after the cross (by the risen Jesus) through His spokesman, the apostle Paul.
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Yep that was what the early Jews did in Acts 4:32. At first, it was recorded that none of them lack.
Unfortunately, the Jews did not realized that the dispensation have changed midway in Acts. By the time the famine struck and they still continued their communist ways, they became the poor saints in Jerusalem, and needed help from the Gentile church. Romans 15:25-26.
Now Paul tells us that, in this present evil age, 1 Timothy 5:8,
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
Unfortunately, the Jews did not realized that the dispensation have changed midway in Acts. By the time the famine struck and they still continued their communist ways, they became the poor saints in Jerusalem, and needed help from the Gentile church. Romans 15:25-26.
Now Paul tells us that, in this present evil age, 1 Timothy 5:8,
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
