Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Yahshua

Yahshua

Senior Member
#3,101
Sep 22, 2013
2,739
707
113
#3,101
eternally-gratefull said:
He stated a fact to begin with vs 12 does not negate that fact. Vs 8 - 11 proves this.

Vs 12 just shows that mercy triumphs over judgment

Thats true, Grace triumphs over law. Ecause as paul said in Gal 3. The law judges completely.
Click to expand...
Goodness. This is a mix of pure bread and leaven. You can't bring Paul's Galatians 3 into what James says. They were speaking to different groups of people about to different subjects.

eternally-gratefull said:
Also, we are not afraid of God. We are loved by hom, and we love him.

You need to stop with your silly petty attacks and for once in your life listen to people.
Click to expand...

Maybe that's a good place to start...
I think we all agree that we are to love the Father. But how?

How does the believer today love the Living God? Note, I'm not asking how to love one's neighbor. That's a different requirement.

I'm genuinely curious. Let's assume what you say, that the law of Moses no longer needs to be kept. That means absolutely none of it applies, and if not, then there is no such thing as sin anymore for the believer no matter what they do...ignore what John says about making such a statement for now.

How do we love Yah, specifically?
 
Marcelo

Marcelo

Senior Member
#3,102
Feb 4, 2016
2,359
859
113
73
#3,102
SimpleGardner said:
I don't really understand "Mitzvot", but if it is important to you then by all means available do so.

As a rule do you wash your hands after you use the bathroom? Don't answer. And if you do did you train your children to? Don't answer.

If so is this your "Mitzvot"?
Click to expand...
I have very little knowledge of Hebrew, but I think each item of the law of Moses is called Mitzvah (plural: Mitzvot). If I were to put together a list of effective Mitzvot the total number of items in it would be ZERO because Paul said we are not under the Law.

Here is another Mitzvah: To show reverence to the Temple (Lev. 19:30). Do you think Christians must show reverence to their church buildings? I presume your answer will be "no", so why not delete this item?
 
Deade

Deade

Called of God
#3,103
Dec 17, 2017
16,724
10,530
113
77
Vinita, Oklahoma, USA
yeshuaofisrael.org
#3,103
gb9 said:
* except on the Mount of Transfirgeration, God the Father ( truth of Trinity in you face, if you choose to see it), God the Father said, in the prescense of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the Prophets ) , said of the Son " hear HIM!"

this elevates and separates the Words in Red above and APART from the rest of Scripture.
Click to expand...
Did God say "hear Him, and disregard everything else?" You red-letter boys are reading too much into scripture. My bible says "all scripture." 2 Tim. 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 11-welcoming.png
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#3,104
#3,104
Yahshua said:
Goodness. This is a mix of pure bread and leaven. You can't bring Paul's Galatians 3 into what James says. They were speaking to different groups of people about to different subjects.




Maybe that's a good place to start...
I think we all agree that we are to love the Father. But how?

How does the believer today love the Living God? Note, I'm not asking how to love one's neighbor. That's a different requirement.

I'm genuinely curious. Let's assume what you say, that the law of Moses no longer needs to be kept. That means absolutely none of it applies, and if not, then there is no such thing as sin anymore for the believer no matter what they do...ignore what John says about making such a statement for now.

How do we love Yah, specifically?
Click to expand...
Good God

Th law is the law no matter who is talking about it And both were speaking of being condemned and saved.

Stop watering down the law and take it for what it is.
 
Yahshua

Yahshua

Senior Member
#3,105
Sep 22, 2013
2,739
707
113
#3,105
eternally-gratefull said:
Good God

Th law is the law no matter who is talking about it And both were speaking of being condemned and saved.

Stop watering down the law and take it for what it is.
Click to expand...
Please answer the question. You accuse others of not answering but you avoid mine.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#3,106
#3,106
Yahshua said:
Please answer the question. You accuse others of not answering but you avoid mine.
Click to expand...
I did nto see your question, because your post started off wrong,, I wanted to get that straight first

We love BECAuSE GOD LOVE US FIRST.

How can we love? because we deserve hell. And have been freed from that CURSe of ThE LAW based on a more perfect high priest.

As scripture says, if god is with me who can be against me)who can be my enemy, how can they hurt me, I am free to love them)
 
D

DeighAnn

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
#3,107
Jun 11, 2019
2,436
760
113
#3,107
Grandpa said:
Negative Ghost Rider.

The missing piece of the puzzle wasn't desire. The missing piece of the puzzle was ability.

That's still the missing piece today.

And that is EXACTLY why the law is the ministration of condemnation and death.

And that is EXACTLY why the Lord Jesus Christ freed us from that condemnation and death.

Because we have no ability, no strength, to do it ourselves. Desire we have plenty of.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Click to expand...
Therefore WITH HIM you can do everything. oh ye of little faith,
 
Yahshua

Yahshua

Senior Member
#3,109
Sep 22, 2013
2,739
707
113
#3,109
eternally-gratefull said:
I did nto see your question, because your post started off wrong,, I wanted to get that straight first

We love BECAuSE GOD LOVE US FIRST.

How can we love? because we deserve hell. And have been freed from that CURSe of ThE LAW based on a more perfect high priest.

As scripture says, if god is with me who can be against me)who can be my enemy, how can they hurt me, I am free to love them)
Click to expand...
I'm going to assume you misread my question so let me just post it again...

How DO we love Yah? Not "how can we."

How does the believer today love the Living God? Note, I'm not asking how to love one's neighbor. That's a different requirement.

Let's assume what you say, that the law of Moses no longer needs to be kept. That means absolutely none of it applies, and if not, then there is no such thing as sin anymore for the believer no matter what they do...so ignore what John says about making such a statement for now.

How do we love Yah, specifically?
 
D

DeighAnn

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
#3,110
Jun 11, 2019
2,436
760
113
#3,110
Grandpa said:
Spirit led creatures are led to not eat bacon?

Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


I love the book of Galatians.

Don't you?:ROFL:
Click to expand...
No, flesh led men are led to eat bacon.
 
G

gb9

Senior Member
#3,112
Jan 18, 2011
11,735
6,319
113
#3,112
Deade said:
Did God say "hear Him, and disregard everything else?" You red-letter boys are reading too much into scripture. My bible says "all scripture." 2 Tim. 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" View attachment 202162
Click to expand...
same letter, previous verse, " since youth, you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ.

all Scripture , huh?

expect for the ones you and the other judeaizers ignore to push you false teaching.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#3,115
#3,115
Yahshua said:
I'm going to assume you misread my question so let me just post it again...

How DO we love Yah? Not "how can we."

How does the believer today love the Living God? Note, I'm not asking how to love one's neighbor. That's a different requirement.

Let's assume what you say, that the law of Moses no longer needs to be kept. That means absolutely none of it applies, and if not, then there is no such thing as sin anymore for the believer no matter what they do...so ignore what John says about making such a statement for now.

How do we love Yah, specifically?
Click to expand...
I did answer,

WE LOVE BECAUSE GOD FIRST LOVED US.

I LOVE GOD BECAUSE GOD SAVED ME

I LOVE GOD BECAUSE HE TOOK THE CURSE OF THE LAW< WHICH I DESERVE< AND NAILED IT TO THE CROSS.

I do not know how you love God, but if you think calling him YAH, or trying to give him righteousness done by your own power is love, You do not understand biblical love
 
S

SimpleGardner

Banned
#3,117
May 1, 2019
1,336
744
113
#3,117
Marcelo said:
I'm just giving you an opportunity to convince us that Christians are to keep the Law of Moses. With a list of effective Mitzvot in hand it will be easier for us to see your point.
Click to expand...

Greetings Marcelo, The "us" you refer to twice, may I ask who that is? Sounds exclusive.
 
S

SimpleGardner

Banned
#3,118
May 1, 2019
1,336
744
113
#3,118
gb9 said:
* except on the Mount of Transfirgeration, God the Father ( truth of Trinity in you face, if you choose to see it), God the Father said, in the prescense of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the Prophets ) , said of the Son " hear HIM!"

this elevates and separates the Words in Red above and APART from the rest of Scripture.
Click to expand...

I know where you got this arguement from.
 
Deade

Deade

Called of God
#3,119
Dec 17, 2017
16,724
10,530
113
77
Vinita, Oklahoma, USA
yeshuaofisrael.org
#3,119
gb9 said:
same letter, previous verse, " since youth, you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ.

all Scripture , huh?

expect for the ones you and the other judeaizers ignore to push you false teaching.
Click to expand...
Timothy was raised among Jews, do you not think he obeyed God's laws when he was little? We must look at the culture these epistles were written in. 5thumbsup.gif
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#3,120
#3,120
Deade said:
Galatians 3 was Paul chiding the Galatians about trying to be justified by the law, not keeping aspects of it (see Gal. 3:1).

What did Paul say? Romans 7:6, 7 "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good."

I see this as still serving the law but in a new, spiritual way. View attachment 202161
Click to expand...
Yet paul said we are delivered from the law.. which is what I said

And obey in the spirit? How. By looking to the letter. or looking to the spirit
 
You must log in or register to reply here.