Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[Grandpa]

....But...they didn't ask for anything but deliverance from their bondage to pharaoh, Grandpa. They didn't ask for laws or statues or commandments. That's what the almighty asked from them. He asked, "will you obey me", and they answered "yes".




Now do I think He knew they wouldn't or couldn't obey? Yes, 100% in agreement with you.

But that doesn't mean He's going to get rid of what he asked for, because that's what he wants. His word can't return void once it's put out there.

They aren't gotten rid of.

By faith, and only by faith, are the 10 commandments established.

In other words, your work doesn't obey commandments. Only the Work of the Holy Spirit obeys commandments.

We haven't imagined the bride he wants. No one imagined the 10 commandments. Everything came from Him. The only words recorded that were actually shouted by the living God to a mass of people all at once were the commandments. What getting rid of his words suggests is that he didn't know the bride he wanted the first time around. That He's the unstable one.

You've imagined the work required to be bride.

He didn't shout those words to you. You didn't reject His Grace in the wilderness.

No Instead, He's going to make it possible to become the very bride he wants, as eventually Christ came to give us the very strength to use to obey...but WE have to use that strength.

Circular reasoning that makes no sense.

If you are relying on Christs strength to obey why would you turn away from that and then begin to rely on your own strength and understanding?

Because your circular reasoning tells you to continue your work at the law?

I wonder if you can see this makes no sense.

Think about this...

How much of the total bible do you think speaks about obeying the Almighty and his commandments versus what can be interpreted as instructions not to try at all?

Have you ever notice? It's not even a 50/50 split. In fact only portions of Galatians, Romans and Hebrews come to mind that can be directly interpreted as "do not try".

The rest of Paul's letters, the other apostles letters, the record of Paul's words in acts, the gospels, the "OT" and the book of Revelation ALL speak about or include obeying God's commandments.

And then, we have testimony of one of the original apostles warning folks about misinterpreting Paul's words, which - regardless of whether Peter meant it one way or the other (and I'm not diving into that discussion again) - proves Paul's words can be misconstrued somehow.

So we have 95% of all of scripture saying also obey the commandments with effort and 5% that can be interpreted as "do not try", and that 5% comes from the one person that an *original* apostle said can be misunderstood...

Do you see what I mean?

I completely agree with people being obedient to God.

I just disagree with their means of getting there. Its not through a carnal means that obedience is possible.

Otherwise there really is no reason for Christ.

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

This doesn't mean the 10 commandments are abolished. It just means your work at them is abolished when you come to Christ and receive rest. It is the Holy Spirit that does the work of the 10 commandments. The 10 commandments were always a description of the work of the Holy Spirit.

Will you do the work of the Holy Spirit? Yes, we will... LOL How? We will try real hard this time.

Ezekiel 36:24-28
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.


Can't you see this is the Work of God?

Can't you see that human effort wasn't able to measure up? Which is why the Mosaic covenant failed.

Can you see what Rest in Christ truly is? Its basically receiving from God what He already wants to give you.

He wants you to be the workmanship of Christ. He's not asking you to follow your own understanding of what your carnal mind is telling you the commandments say. Or anyone elses understanding of what the commandments say.

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.


This is fun showing you these things. It re-inforces what my thoughts about Christianity are. And why I think them.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Do you think for a second that God DIDN'T know they wouldn't be able to perform it?

I think God knew they "could" keep them;


Deu 30:10-11 NIV if you obey the LORD your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in this Book of the Law and turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. (11) Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach.

 

[DeighAnn]

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

I am WITH you, NOT I AM YOU. Not doing it for you, helping you. God isn't going to judge Himself, and how He did, HE IS GOING TO JUDGE YOU, and how you did.

 

[DeighAnn]

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ

Philippians 1:7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.

Confidence NOT POSITIVE
Think NOT KNOW

Philippians 1:8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ.

Philippians 1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment

Philippians 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ.

Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness which are by Jesus Christ unto the glory and praise of God.

THAT YOUR LOVE MAY ABOUND IN KNOWLEDGE AND IN ALL JUDGMENT

THAT YOU MAY (with the help of the Holy Spirit that resides in you)

 

[DeighAnn]

Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Philippians 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings

Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

Philippians 2:16 Holding forth the word of life that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

We work out our own, He worketh in us, not for us, and it may be all in vain

 

[gb9]

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

I am WITH you, NOT I AM YOU. Not doing it for you, helping you. God isn't going to judge Himself, and how He did, HE IS GOING TO JUDGE YOU, and how you did.

and see, here is a big judeaizers mistake- you guys point to Matthew 28 for command keeping for salvation, or to maintain salvation, however you look it, same thing.

but, if go back several chapters, on the Mount of Transfiguration, God the Father said of the Son, " hear Him.

having said this in the presence of Moses ( the Law) and Elijah ( the Prophets), this elevates and separates the Words in Red from all Scripture.

so, you see, Jesus was NOT referring to the Law when He said this, as mandated by the Father.

of course, you judeaizers deny the Trinity as another way to prop your lies, so you will ignore this as bunk , but, I and others can only point it out.

if you reject it, then that is not our fault.

 

[DeighAnn]

The OT preached the coming of Jesus to the Jews, Jesus preached the coming of the kingdom of God, Paul preached Jesus to the Gentiles

 

[DeighAnn]

and see, here is a big judeaizers mistake- you guys point to Matthew 28 for command keeping for salvation, or to maintain salvation, however you look it, same thing.

but, if go back several chapters, on the Mount of Transfiguration, God the Father said of the Son, " hear Him.

having said this in the presence of Moses ( the Law) and Elijah ( the Prophets), this elevates and separates the Words in Red from all Scripture.

so, you see, Jesus was NOT referring to the Law when He said this, as mandated by the Father.

of course, you judeaizers deny the Trinity as another way to prop your lies, so you will ignore this as bunk , but, I and others can only point it out.

if you reject it, then that is not our fault.

Take it up with Christ, He came to preach the kingdom of God.

 

[Caisdf]

A good rule of thumb concerning the first covenant and what to follow is this: If Christ or the Apostle reinforced it we should follow it. If not, it can be ignored.

 

[DeighAnn]

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised



THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON, and look at all that is happening. Preaching to the poor, healing the brokenhearted, preaching deliverance, giving sight back, setting at liberty.

What a wonderful example for us all. Just look what can be done when the Spirit is with you. If God is for me, WHO IS AGAINST ME?

And I shall just continue on believing in the Lord, and being a doer of His will.

 

[DeighAnn]

Repent 3340 metanoeo to change one's mind or purpose from meta and noeo

Usage - I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God)

Other use - to feel sorry that one has done this or that Jonah 3:9
of having offended someone Luke 17:3,
used especially of those who, conscious of their sins and with manifest tokens of sorrow, are intent on obtaining Gods Pardon

Matt 3 to change one's mind for the better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins.

 

[DeighAnn]

DeighAnn said:


Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

I am WITH you, NOT I AM YOU. Not doing it for you, helping you. God isn't going to judge Himself, and how He did, HE IS GOING TO JUDGE YOU, and how you did.
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and see, here is a big judeaizers mistake- you guys point to Matthew 28 for command keeping for salvation, or to maintain salvation, however you look it, same thing.

You must think you are posting in a different post. This post isn't about "maintaining salvation" .

This post is about Jesus and the law of Moses. That is why I posted just these 3 verses. That TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU, WHICH HE COMMANDED SOME OF THE LAWS OF MOSES.

Your reply, IN THIS CONTEXT HERE, makes it seem like I am saying something I am not. Please watch to make sure that you don't do things like this, because is makes all of us, as Christians, look a little devious as opposed to being wiser than the serpent. When you use the word "judeaizer" there are some who believe you are calling me unsaved. Are you calling me unsaved?

 

[wokinluv]

Correct. Christ completes His work that He started in me and keeps chipping away what isn't of Him, and Jesus endured the judgment of God to save my soul. I am blameless through Jesus because I believe in Him. We believe that those who turn their back on Christ have never really believed to begin with. I take this from Jesus stating that He's lost none, except the son of perdition Judas, and then in that same place also stating He "knew those who would not believe" (speaking of Judas), thus those who would not believe are identified with the lost by Jesus Himself.
To make this point even stronger, Judas was one of the "believers" or disciples who had been around Jesus for years. Yet Jesus does not count him among His elect. He did not "lose salvation" - Judas simply did not ever believe Jesus.

You have agreed that you are no longer gonna be judged come judgment day, right? If believers who do not believe in OSAS were not really saved to begin with, who then will Jesus return for to bring salvation when he comes back? It couldn't be the OSAS since they won't be facing judgment anymore because they're already saved with an eternal irrevocable salvation whether Jesus comes back or not. Are those non-OSAS believers eagerly awaiting the Lords return merely waiting in vain?

There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? James 4:12

Do you acknowledge Him who is the one Lawgiver and Judge? Why would He be called as such if there is no law that people would have to be accounted for/judged?
Isn't it that God does not show favouritism?

It is true that those in Çhrist will not be condemned but they will still face judgment.

Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. Hebrews 9:27-28

For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. Ecclesiastes 12:14

God knows from the beginning that those who will believe in Him and His only begotten Son Jesus our Lord, and will continue in the teachings about walking in Love (2John 1:4-6, John14:20-24)until the end will be saved and be made worthy of the promised eternal life. God also foreknew and foretold of His coming wrath for the disobedient, lawless rebels, the evildoers, the unbelievers and those who sow to please the sinful nature. (Ephesians 5:6, Galatians 6:7-10, Revelations 21:1-8, Matthew 7:21-23, 25:31-46)

Judas was chosen for a certain purpose(Romans 9:15-18) to fulfill what was written. If it's not Judas then God can use anyone else but He chose Judas who is an apostle to show how Jesus would be betrayed in these last days by those who call Him Lord(believers) but rejects His words, laws and commandments. They will claim to know God but by their actions they deny Him.(Titus 1:16)

This is just gonna get longer so just a few more verses to consider then I'm out of here.

We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6

What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Romans 3:3

But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matthew 12:36-37

Let's not run ahead but Let's run the race to reach our goal, the salvation of our souls. Only let us live up to what we have already attained. (2John 1:9-11, Philippians 3:12-16

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and Walk in Love.

God is good and His LOVE endures forever.

 

[SoulWeaver]

You have agreed that you are no longer gonna be judged come judgment day, right? If believers who do not believe in OSAS were not really saved to begin with, who then will Jesus return for to bring salvation when he comes back? It couldn't be the OSAS since they won't be facing judgment anymore because they're already saved with an eternal irrevocable salvation whether Jesus comes back or not. Are those non-OSAS believers eagerly awaiting the Lords return merely waiting in vain?

There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? James 4:12

Do you acknowledge Him who is the one Lawgiver and Judge? Why would He be called as such if there is no law that people would have to be accounted for/judged?
Isn't it that God does not show favouritism?

It is true that those in Çhrist will not be condemned but they will still face judgment.

Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. Hebrews 9:27-28

For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. Ecclesiastes 12:14

God knows from the beginning that those who will believe in Him and His only begotten Son Jesus our Lord, and will continue in the teachings about walking in Love (2John 1:4-6, John14:20-24)until the end will be saved and be made worthy of the promised eternal life. God also foreknew and foretold of His coming wrath for the disobedient, lawless rebels, the evildoers, the unbelievers and those who sow to please the sinful nature. (Ephesians 5:6, Galatians 6:7-10, Revelations 21:1-8, Matthew 7:21-23, 25:31-46)

Judas was chosen for a certain purpose(Romans 9:15-18) to fulfill what was written. If it's not Judas then God can use anyone else but He chose Judas who is an apostle to show how Jesus would be betrayed in these last days by those who call Him Lord(believers) but rejects His words, laws and commandments. They will claim to know God but by their actions they deny Him.(Titus 1:16)

This is just gonna get longer so just a few more verses to consider then I'm out of here.

We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6

What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Romans 3:3

But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matthew 12:36-37

Let's not run ahead but Let's run the race to reach our goal, the salvation of our souls. Only let us live up to what we have already attained. (2John 1:9-11, Philippians 3:12-16

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and Walk in Love.

God is good and His LOVE endures forever.

You don't seem to have read my whole post, or understood what I said.

 

[DeighAnn]

I don't have fear of losing salvation now, I believe eternal safety which makes me believe and follow more effectively
This seems a bit mind boggling, but in the light of Jeremiah 1:5, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, God knew Jeremiah in advance, because Jeremiah has eternal life. Which means Jeremiah was communing in unity of being with God before his birth, and also after his death. This verse tells us Jeremiah was with God since the beginning of time alongside all the saints, because eternal life is sharing in God's oneness of eternal being. It's easy to understand then how the unforeknown are really not foreknown. They were never the part of God's being.

It is not mind boggling for me at all. I have studied this quite a bit. It is actually amazing how much is written on it. You know Satan didn't just show up in the garden "evil". We know he was made the full pattern and perfect at one time, till iniquity was found in him.
Right here is where mights and maybes become sure things. This is the solid foundation to build upon. God absolutely did know Jeremiah before Jeremiah was ever put into the flesh. Not only did He know Jeremiah, he had already been proved, God knowing who he was, how he could be trusted, God was therefore able to move and use him in the ways he did, and only because he was predestined, foreknown.

God said there will always be a remnant, and elect are the remnant, just living at the end of the fig tree generation.

 

[DeighAnn]

1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

1 Corinthians 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

1 Corinthians 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

This deed, not even named is done, is judged, and made one to deliver unto Satan, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

 

[DeighAnn]

2 Corinthians 6:3 Giving no offence in any thing that the ministry be not blamed

2 Corinthians 6:4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

2 Corinthians 6:5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings

2 Corinthians 6:6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,

2 Corinthians 6:7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,

2 Corinthians 6:8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report as deceivers, and yet true

2 Corinthians 6:9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live as chastened, and not killed

2 Corinthians 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing as poor, yet making many rich as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

….that the ministry be not blamed.

 

[PS]

It is not mind boggling for me at all. I have studied this quite a bit. It is actually amazing how much is written on it. You know Satan didn't just show up in the garden "evil". We know he was made the full pattern and perfect at one time, till iniquity was found in him.
Right here is where mights and maybes become sure things. This is the solid foundation to build upon. God absolutely did know Jeremiah before Jeremiah was ever put into the flesh. Not only did He know Jeremiah, he had already been proved, God knowing who he was, how he could be trusted, God was therefore able to move and use him in the ways he did, and only because he was predestined, foreknown.

God said there will always be a remnant, and elect are the remnant, just living at the end of the fig tree generation.

This is my view of predestination. You don't have to accept it if you don't want. I don't mind. So here goes.

We are born with free will, and with that God given free will, we either believe and follow Him, or we do not.
God knew, with his foreknowledge those people, who of their own free will would choose Him. He did not go "Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Moe" you, you, and you at the foundation of the world. He simply knew who they would be.
It was God's plan that was preordained and not the people. So, when the time was right God elected (chose) those who He knew would fulfil His preordained plan, His bidding to do.

 

[gb9]

DeighAnn said:


Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

I am WITH you, NOT I AM YOU. Not doing it for you, helping you. God isn't going to judge Himself, and how He did, HE IS GOING TO JUDGE YOU, and how you did.
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You must think you are posting in a different post. This post isn't about "maintaining salvation" .

This post is about Jesus and the law of Moses. That is why I posted just these 3 verses. That TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU, WHICH HE COMMANDED SOME OF THE LAWS OF MOSES.

Your reply, IN THIS CONTEXT HERE, makes it seem like I am saying something I am not. Please watch to make sure that you don't do things like this, because is makes all of us, as Christians, look a little devious as opposed to being wiser than the serpent. When you use the word "judeaizer" there are some who believe you are calling me unsaved. Are you calling me unsaved?

no, I am not calling you unsaved, only God knows our hearts, so only He knows who truly believes .


I will call you self-deceived , because you have been shown how your beliefs are wrong.

and that leads you into being a liar, because you keep repeating things, like the LIE that the Law is divided into parts, when you have been shown it is not true.

so, there. stop being a self-deceived liar, and adjust your beliefs to reality, instead of ignoring reality to prop your phony beliefs .

 

[wokinluv]

The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4